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Advanced Marksmanship Doping the wind via mirage in the scope?

Cowsearshooter

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Not real sure where to put this one so I'll bandy it about the forums until I get a response.

In any case, I've recently come into a very high magnification scope and wonder at the possibility of using it to dope the wind between shots. It is a Bushnell 4.5-30x50mm and is paralax adjustable from 25 to infinity.

I am very accustomed to the practice via spotting scope, I just wonder if there is a technique that allows one to do it on the gun.
 
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It is possible, but one has to be real careful that he isn't reading heat waves off the barrel.

I have a good 10X scope on my 1000 yard bolt gun. I can read mirage in good conditions IF I haven't started shooting the rifle yet.

Once the barrel gets warm, even with a mirage ban on the barrel I get heat.

A higher mag. scope wont help that much, it just means you can magnify the heat waves coming off the barrel.

I use a spotting scope for reading mirage, regardless of what the rifle's scope is telling me.
 
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I hadn't even thought of that...though I had noticed that when shooting. Good point.

Truth be told, I am thinking of this in more of an expedient, cold shot mentality. Seems like it should be possible to do reliably for the first few shots.

I thought one might be able to dial the focal point past the barrel to the point where you were reliably reading mirage and not barrel heat.
 
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It's a valid technique that works. It will give you a general interpretation of wind direction, and is usually used kind of as a last resort - when there are no other wind indicators visible.

An advantage of it is that you can use the parallax knob to focus at intermediate distances and be able to interpret the mirage there, where you are focused.

He's right with the barrel heat, especially with a suppressor. But with some experience, it is not difficult to tell the difference between the barrel heat and mirage at distance.

I also don't think high magnification matters for this.

--Fargo007
 
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At our local range (Rayners) we don't have flags or in some locations any trees or grass to gauge wind with. Shooting across valleys and from one hill top to another we've been looking for better ways to get a wind read for our first shot.

This past season we've been experimenting a lot more with our spotting scope and the mirage. Been pretty successful with that although it takes a lot of practice to pick up the various changes between us and the target. With the spotting scope we've not had the problem with heat from the barrel so we'll have to look for that and work more with the rifle scope.

Learning all these little tricks and paying close attention to your environment in the field can pay off big time when every target counts and you don't get sighters before your first shot.

Topstrap
 
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Oh, believe me I am savvy the spotting scope for doping wind (my calls might leave a little to be desired, but I make 'em).

I will have to see about getting out to Coalinga and bring the big gun for a little scope shooting at 600. The ranges here in Monterey do not lend themselves well to that sort of thing.

I will play with the paralax in the meantime though. Thanks for the tip.
 
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Winds, and their corresponding mirage, vary along the distance of the trajectory. The mirage you see corresponds mainly to the distance at which the scope is focused.

To get the complete picture, it's necessary to sweep that focus along through the distances that trajectory covers; one distance is only part of the story. It's my humble opinion that the wind at the shooter is important to wind doping, and that mirage observation is probably the most effective means to get additional objective info about winds at intervening distances. But I also doubt that a completely effective and reliable method of determining crosswinds data is available to the conventional LR shooter.

Such means do exist in a massive form, being the basis of correction for atmospheric aberration, driving astronomical adaptive optics. Adapting that for shooting optics is undoubtedly being addressed somewhere, but I don't expect it to become affordable to the average man in my lifetime.

Barrel shimmer is not truly the same as mirage, although the distortions appear similar. Mirage bands are not as effective as scope tubes. When I use one, I roll a sheet of black construction paper into a tube slightly larger in diameter than the objective bell. I slide it over the bell for about an inch, and allow it to extend almost to the muzzle; too close and muzzle blast can damage it. The slight gap around the objective bell allows limited airflow, which I consider beneficial.

Greg
 
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An experienced lr benchrest shooter gave me a crash course in mirage reading a few years back. He convinced me that the shooter that can interpret mirage has another useful tool in his arsenal. With him on the spotting scope, I managed to go home from that event with a couple hundred bucks in my pocket.

Like the gentlemen above have pointed out, it isn't the only thing to consider, but it is useful information. I do most of my shooting in broken country full of hills and draws. The wind in my face isn't normally the same as the wind 500yds away.
 
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I've got a very long sun shade on the scope at this point...I like the construction paper technique though and I will try it.

Again, no shortage of awareness of the merits of reading wind in the mirage--just not a lot of experience trying it from a co-axial optic.
 
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Use both the rifle scope and the spotting scope, along with the flags (if available).

The rifle scope will (should) be focused on the target, and the spotting scope focused @ some intermediate distance between the firing line and the target - roughly 1/2 - 2/3 of the way down range.

Between the two, it should help considerably. Generally I prefer the wider field of view of the spotting scope (I use a fixed 27x WA/LER) to keep an eye on whats going on around my target, but sometimes the extra magnification of the rifle scope (usually NF 12-42x) combined with the focus right on the target will show you something worth paying attention to.
 
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I think mirage can be a decent indicator of winds in the 0-12 mph range, and becomes somewhat less readable at higher speeds. The range I typically practice on has a lot of mirage most of the time, so I've tried practicing numerous times using mirage as the only wind indicator. Some days I feel like this works out perfectly, other times not so much.

I never really considered the effects of heat from the barrel as confusing this issue, but I suppose that's something I should consider. On the other hand, without a heat wave generating suppressor on my barrel, I do wonder if this is really something that I need to worry about? I mean, my focus can be adjusted to view mirage at various downrange distances, so I'm not sure how much the optic would be focused on the heat from the barrel itself. I guess I'll have to play with cold vs hot barrels a bit more to see if I'm getting misleading mirage interpretations when the barrel is warm.
 
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Mirage is a better indicator of wind <span style="font-style: italic">changes</span>.
 
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I rely on mirage when the wind isn't pushing hard enough to move the foliage. I never shoot with flags, so I have to use what I have available. Dust, grass, bushes, and trees. If only the grass is moving I know I'm under ten mph. There's where I start. If the grass isn't even moving I still change parralex to check mirage. I find it most useful. So much so that I learned the hard way (while shooting a match) that polarized sunglasses are not my friend. So if I'm in a situation that I have no other indicators of wind, mirage is all I got. What's wrong with that?

Yesterday I was instructing a new long range shooter. We had the worst wind you can shoot in, a tail wind. I told him before we ever fired a shot, that the day would go much smoother if we had a 90 degree wind over ten mph. The tail wind will almost never be exactly 6 o'clock causing a no wind hold. Yesterday it was between 6:30 and 7:30 all day. And all day he and I were reading mirage left to right. I showed him how it would angle and how it would lay flat out. I explained the differences in his hold. He got many hits out to 700 mainly using mirage. I think I'm on the right track.
 
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I think mirage is a better indicator for wind velocity and direction than judging wind by its effects. Plus, reading wind with the spotting scope eliminates having to use the wind clock to assign a value to the wind, all winds become full value. I don't see the use of the rifle's scope to understand mirage as being useful if the shooter has a spotting scope at hand. I think it would be a distraction to use it to understand mirage while executing the firing tasks.

BTW, I focus the spotting scope on the target and then turn the focus wheel a 1/4 turn counter clockwise to see the mirage at mid range. The mid range wind reading I believe gives me a better average for the wind across the course than beginning with a reading at the shooter's firing point. In other words, I begin with an assumption of what wind is most important. My assumption is the wind at mid range is most important, giving me a more accurate understanding for overall wind effect from shooter to target than beginning with a reading at the shooter's firing point. Also, if wind at the shooter is actually a beginning point then that means taking time to appraise, by whatever method, wind at other points along the bullet path, and putting these estimates into some sort of calculation to get a number for the wind formula. Thing is, in the time the calculation can be made either the wind or target could have changed direction or displacement.

Some argue that they begin their wind reading at the firing point because it's the only wind they understand for sure. O.K., but, being sure of it does not mean it is likely an indicator of wind down range. If it's all you've got, it's what you use, but, if mid range wind can be appraised that's what I'm going with no matter what the wind is doing at my firing point. So far, the mid range reading strategy has gotten me great results.
 
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Not diagreeing with you here. My theory is that we spend so much money on quality rifle scopes that it should be able to perform all the tasks of any optic. I don't own a spotting scope. One that I would consider costs well into the $3000 range and for that much money I could put a scope on two rifles. In rifle matches and hunting I don't want to add the size and weight to my pack with a spotting scope. My thougts have been mostly about the time constraint of using two optics. Getting a high magnification spotting scope (more than the 20X of my rifle scope) steady requires some sort of rest. And the time I spend making a wind call with the spotting scope, moving to the rifle, buiding my position and firing the shot, the wind could have changed. That is why I only use my rifle scope. And I rarely have a partner to help with spotting.
 
this thread has given me an idea i might try next week as i often wondered about using mirage to monitor wind changes at the target. it wouldnt be "Scientific" but the gist would be having two shooters of equal skill in two different buildings one group using M2010's and another using M110's. Building "A" shooters would use wind reads and building "B" shooters would use mirage. have them engage the same targets from 400-1000m gather the data and see what we have at the end of the day.