rear bag or mono pod ???

[H_Talon]

I have a xlr stock with a remmy 700 varmit in 7mm-08 coming from the smith .. ( sure wish it would get here .. sooooo bad ..

so should I go with a rear bag or a mono style pod ...

please include links and reasons ..

yep another noob question .. Sorry ...

thanks for all that respond

 

[Country]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

I would try and have the ability to use both . The rear bag is good on the range , bench etc. and the mono-pod good for in the field . However some times the ground is rocky and a mono-pod grabs on recoil so can the bi-pod . Sometimes it is better to have a front rest and a rear bag like some F class shooters do rather than a bi-pod and mono- pod .
So with that in mind I would want the bi-pod quick detachable and have a rest plate that can go on instead . Rear mono- pod detachable and a stock shape that can ride a bunny eared rear bag or a bag rider that goes on where the mono-pod comes off.
That way you have a multi platform weapon that is very flexible .
That's what I do anyway .

 

[threetrees]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

i prefer rear-bag. no problem on soft ground. can be used at back and front (depending on the situation/requirements). can also be used to support the spotting scope. serves as a head-rest ...

tons of applications from my point of view.

 

[DT1]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

Just my opinion, but rear monopods tend to be slow to deploy and cumbersome/slow to adjust. Also adds weight to the rifle. Rear bag is better in all those respects. Only benefit of the Monopod is that it is attached to the rifle and there when you need it.

 

[KYpatriot]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

Get both. Monopods are pretty useful unless the ground is soft. The monopod can be steadier, the bag more versatile. Either one does the job. I think 8541 tactical did a video on monopod uses that you may find useful. Search for it, I'll link to it if I find it.

 

[Havoc]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

I like the idea of a monopod, but have always just used a rear bag and bipod. Guess it depends on range or field use and the terrain you plan to be in.

 

[bunsen27]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DT1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just my opinion, but rear monopods tend to be slow to deploy and cumbersome/slow to adjust. Also adds weight to the rifle. Rear bag is better in all those respects. Only benefit of the Monopod is that it is attached to the rifle and there when you need it. </div></div>

Although this may be true for models that require you to twist the mono-pod to adjust, it is absolutely not true for the Accu-Shot QK models. They are lighting fast to deploy and adjust with the quick release button.

To the OP here is an older thread for reference with LoneWolf's video:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...954#Post3164954

 

[SlayerDOL]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: threetrees</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i prefer rear-bag. no problem on soft ground. can be used at back and front (depending on the situation/requirements). can also be used to support the spotting scope. serves as a head-rest ...

tons of applications from my point of view.</div></div>
I agree with him... The benefit of the rear bag is the versatility, i hang it or put it on top of the spotting scope when it is windy to stabalize it, it makes a good improv rest for F'ed up urban shooting positions and when I build a urban hide I use it on top of the head of a second tripod supporting the rear of the gun. The M.P. is just not verastile for me to carry around and justify the weight, sure if you are doing a singe set up shot it is nice to have the solid finite adjustments, F it, get both!
J.

 

[Havoc]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

Thanks for the link Bunsen. I had never seen a monopod used like that for adjustment. Good to know. Might buy one now to test out.

 

[Furtaker_.223]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

I use both. I find sometimes the bag helps out better. There is a guy here on the hide that has the sling bag. Very small and lightweight bag that straps to the sling. Great piece.

 

[Lafayette]

Re: rear bag of mono pod ???

I hated the monopod, couldnt sell it fast enough.

Bags for me.

 

[H_Talon]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???



thanks for the video ... I guess I'll have to try both ...

but I figured I'd have to do that anyway, shucks I'll have to
shoot more

thank you for the responses.

 

[Mister Ouchie]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

I use both, together. The monopod lets me use a smaller bag. Pod for gross adjustments, bag for quick fine adjustments.

 

[gstaylorg]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

You didn't mention what type of shooting you plan to do most often, which might make a difference in whether a monopod or a bag would suit you best. My take would be to have both, if possible, as a few others already suggested. The Accushot monopod with the QK feature deploys very quickly and is easy to use. However, if you want to try your hand at any competition shooting, such as F-Class for example, you cannot use a monopod. Rear bags are not all that expensive, so having one might make a good addition to the monopod.

 

[Country]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

Videos are usually shot in perfect range conditions . The mono-pod shown is a good idea but it still has the same limitations on rocky rough ground and very soft ground . One thing you could do is make a light alloy ground plate that has short corner spikes that you can push into the ground to give the mono- pod something more precision to ride .
It all depends on the kind of shooting you are doing. If you are moving about then you don't want to cart extra stuff .
The fist idea around the mono-pod will work but it will also change the recoil tracking as compared to not using it so the group will change .

 

[bunsen27]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

For those lamenting the mono-pod tip sinking into soft ground or skidding along a surface I have your $3 solution:

I run Accu-Shots on my LR-308 and bolt gun. I essentially use the mono-pod as a rear grip and rarely have the mono-pod locked out or fully extended. My hand is the contact point with the ground and the pod is my contact point with the rifle.

 

[tactic-als]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

Huge fan of the Accushot monopod. Super fast to adjust and I notice that I kind of use it as a grip as another stated...but I agree, each has it's merit.

 

[ZiaHunter]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

I use both a bag and monopod and it depends on the surface I am shooting from. On hard surfaces the monopods are rock steady. I have the Accushot mounted on a Magpul stock and use a CTK Precision on those stocks mounted with a stud. I keep the bag attached to the sling with a carabiner so it is always handy and can be easily detached. Can't remember where I got the bag but has a cordura camo cover and filled with styrofoam pellets. Very light and conforms easily.

 

[Doyputasos]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

Just had my first experience with a monopod yesterday. The feeling I came away with was that the monopod would be great for stationary shooting (F-class type shooting) and the bag will be better when you are shooting at different targets, possibly on uneven terrain. Pod=rock solid repeatability; bag=reliable flexibility.

 

[SgtLumpy]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

GRAB the rear monopod with your fist. I see comments suggesting they don't like the thing on soft surfaces, compared to a beanbag because of the monopod's small footprint compared to the bag. If you grab the monopod with your non-trigger finger, same way you would a bag, you can then squeeze, tilt, modify the height in tiny increments AND you have the size of your fist as the footprint. If you haven't already, look at John's video. He 'splains it well.


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq

 

[dhawkins]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

I prefer the bag as well...just easier to use in my opinion. That said, I might consider buying another accushot if they add a QD option so I could move it around more easily.

 

[xcDave15]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

I'm a fan of a rear bag but always wanted to have it with me, SKD makes a rear bean bag that attaches to your stock via Velcro (and they have a stock pack with one built in) I went with it and it works great. It was a bit under-filled so I sliced it open and filled it with airsoft pellets- now its filled to my spec and light on the rifle

link: http://www.skdtac.com/BALS-MK-1-Sniper-Bean-Bag-p/bal.501.htm

and here it is on my rifle (horrible picture quality, I know)

 

[Graham]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not?

 

[Country]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>
That is not stricly correct it all depends on what kind of mono-pod and how you use it .
A standard bean / sand bag would be not much better than a standard mono-pod if the ground surface conditions were perfect for a mono-pod but if not the bag makes up for more varying surface conditions than the mono-pod .
A canterlever monopod is better than quick flick down standard types but is heavier and still has some surface limitations but is better than the standard mono-pod especially at supporting heavy guns.
I would like to see some foot attachment system added to a standard mono-pod similar to the extra feet you can add to some bi-pod legs but designed for the rear . That would help a lot on varying surfaces. I'm sure someone somewhere has done it already.

 

[Graham]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Country</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is not stricly correct it all depends on what kind of mono-pod and how you use it.</div></div>Fair enough: Because outside of the field of mathematics probably nothing is <span style="font-style: italic">strictly</span> correct.

But misuse does not determine correct use.

 

[Radar360]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

I have used a mono-pod for shooting. It's alright, no complaints from me. I can adjust my rifle fairly easy now, but it took time for me to get used to it. I also use rear bags. I tend to use the rear bag more often.

 

[SgtLumpy]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>

I don't follow at all. What, in your opinion, is a monopod for if not for "shooting"?


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq

 

[northern50]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>

Oh thanks for informing me. I guess I was doing it all wrong the last four matches I've shot with the .50 cal at 1000 yards in Nebraska.. I guess a second and a third place didn't happen since I used a monopod shot off the ground every year.

 

[Graham]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Northern50</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>Oh thanks for informing me. I guess I was doing it all wrong the last four matches I've shot with the .50 cal at 1000 yards in Nebraska.. I guess a second and a third place didn't happen since I used a monopod shot off the ground every year.</div></div>.50s are not shot like light and medium rifles, and that's a clue to why the difference in technique could work well in your case, but of course you already know that since you are - by your own assessment - a rock star.

Note: It is important not to get caught-up in one's own achievements. One's place in any competition depends mostly on... You guessed it... The competition.

And review: I'm not saying it can't be done; what I'm saying is that this is not the intended use of a monopod.

 

[SgtLumpy]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

...I'm not sying it can't be done; what I'm saying is that this is not the intended use of a monopod. </div></div>

Oh for heck's sake, quit being a weenie head. What, in your opinion, is this limited use that you think a monopod is intended for? And why are so many monopod users apparently doing the wrong thing by shooting with it?


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq

 

[Country]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt:Lumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>

I don't follow at all. What, in your opinion, is a monopod for if not for "shooting"?


Sgt Lumpy - n0eq </div></div>
Don't try mate , you can't make sense of BS . Every piece of equipment has it's use otherwise it would not be there. The trick is using it correctly and under the correct conditions. That is what training and experience does, teaches you how and when to use it to the best effect .

 

[Country]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Northern50</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>Oh thanks for informing me. I guess I was doing it all wrong the last four matches I've shot with the .50 cal at 1000 yards in Nebraska.. I guess a second and a third place didn't happen since I used a monopod shot off the ground every year.</div></div>.50s are not shot like light and medium rifles, and that's a clue to why the difference in technique could work well in your case, but of course you already know that since you are - by your own assessment - a rock star.

Note: It is important not to get caught-up in one's own achievements. One's place in any competition depends mostly on... You guessed it... The competition.

And review: I'm not sying it can't be done; what I'm saying is that this is not the intended use of a monopod. </div></div>


If you have ever slept on a gun for a few days waiting for something to happen you will know why they invented the rear mono-pod .

 

[northern50]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Northern50</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was anyone going to mention that a rear bag is used for shooting; and a monopod is not? </div></div>Oh thanks for informing me. I guess I was doing it all wrong the last four matches I've shot with the .50 cal at 1000 yards in Nebraska.. I guess a second and a third place didn't happen since I used a monopod shot off the ground every year.</div></div>.50s are not shot like light and medium rifles, and that's a clue to why the difference in technique could work well in your case, but of course you already know that since you are - by your own assessment - a rock star.

Note: It is important not to get caught-up in one's own achievements. One's place in any competition depends mostly on... You guessed it... The competition.

And review: I'm not sying it can't be done; what I'm saying is that this is not the intended use of a monopod. </div></div>


Please, explain how the .50 is such a different mythical beast than a standard rifle? Besides weighing 48 pounds, a rifle is still a rifle, you still put your shoulder to the stock and look down the scope.

I'm not saying I'm a "rockstar", more like an idiot behind the trigger. And for the record shooting with world record .50 cal shooters seems to be pretty stiff competition. Just saying.

But when someone says monopods are not for shooting, I begin to question where your statement has any credibility from?

Could you please explain how, and why mono pods aren't for shooting? I'm sure there are others here who would like to be enlightened, I am one of them.

 

[Graham]

Re: rear bag or mono pod ???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Country</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have ever slept on a gun for a few days waiting for something to happen you will know why they invented the rear mono-pod.</div></div>Exactly. <span style="font-style: italic">That's</span> what a monopod is for.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Northern50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please, explain how the .50 is such a different mythical beast than a standard rifle? Besides weighing 48 pounds, a rifle is still a rifle, you still put your shoulder to the stock and look down the scope.</div></div>It's different, but it's not mythical. Here's a basic primer as to why; it's a bit dated, but Dean's information about how novices often shoot it better than experienced riflemen still stands:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1581600682/?tag...sl_4w3uj6tvfy_b