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Is it my mag?

Gledeasy

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Apr 16, 2012
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I bought a 308 AR off of here a few months back. Finally got it scoped and was able to go shoot it for the first time. The rifle would load fine when I pulled the charging handle back, but it would not chamber another round on it's own after the shot. It is a SI defense lower and I was using a pmag. I don't have any other magazines currently to see if there is a difference.

What is everyone's thoughts? Anything I can try to hopefully help or do I just need to find another mag?
 
Sounds to me like the wrong buffer spring is being used. If a carbine length buffer spring is being used with a rifle length buffer tube, it will do that every single time.
 
Hmmm, might have to look into that. It's a magpul PRS stock.


In that case, what I mentioned above is probably the culprit. Remove the stock and check the buffer and spring. The PRS requires a rifle length buffer and spring and I've seen the exact thing happen.
 
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I had this very same issue. Turns out, my rifle was tuned for the higher pressure 5.56 M855 round and the gas port was drilled undersized for the lower pressure .223 rounds. I had bought mine brand new so I was able to just send it back to the mfg and they corrected the issue by enlarging the gas port. Now it cycles 5.56 and .223 like a champ. For your sake, I hope it's just the simple matter of replacing the buffer and buffer spring. Good luck.
 
I bought a 308 AR off of here a few months back. Finally got it scoped and was able to go shoot it for the first time. The rifle would load fine when I pulled the charging handle back, but it would not chamber another round on it's own after the shot. It is a SI defense lower and I was using a pmag. I don't have any other magazines currently to see if there is a difference.

What is everyone's thoughts? Anything I can try to hopefully help or do I just need to find another mag?

Does the bolt lock all the way back after you fire it? If not I'd check to make sure that the gas key on the bolt carrier is tight, that the gas block is properly aligned, and that you are using the correct weight buffer and spring. If the bolt doesn't lock back and all of those check out you will probably have to drill out the gas port a bit. I recently went through this on a rifle of mine, it was intimidating at first but a very easy job in reality.
 
We need way more details on the rifle before any type of diagnosis can be made. We don't even know what type of ammunition is being used.

Starting with quality, brass-cased ammunition with anywhere from 150gr-168gr would be a good idea. What do you plan to shoot in it and for what purposes? That will drive your gas system configuration, as port location and diameter is not a once-size fits all matter, though an adjustable gas block can increase the selection of ammunition that you're able to run through it reliably.

After a component and assembly method check, I would start with the single fire test, to see if it will lock back on the bolt catch, driven by the follower of the magazine.

If it is short-stroking, it could be both not enough gas, or too much gas. Too much gas can also run the bolt carrier velocity so fast, that it beats the magazine spring's ability to lift the cartridges in time, which is why you should increase the mag capacity after the single shot lock test, since more weight in the magazine is more difficult to lift.

I would like to know the following before even attempting to make a diagnosis:

Frankengun or complete manufacturer's rifle?
Ammunition used?
Barrel length and gas system length?
Barrel make and chamber used?
Bolt carrier type, was it assembled by a factory or someone at home?
Buffer length, type, and weight?
Recoil spring type/length?
Gas block type, make?
Gas port diameter?

Pics would help. I'm just north of you too, and have been dealing with large-frame AR's for 10 years, AR15's since 1988, so feel free to hit me up if you want.
 
I'll have to get a pic up and work on answering some of the questions. Here is the parts list I saved from the description when I bought it. Can't figure out how to see my previous posts with the new website format.

AR-10
SI Defense Billet Matched Upper and Lower (super tight fit, no wiggle)
Geissele Hight Speed National Match Adj. Trigger
22" Brux 1:10 twist 308 barrel threaded 5/8x24 w/ knurled protector
16" Shilen Stainless Match 1:10 308 barrel threaded 5/8x24
Magpul PRS
Magpul MIAD
PRI Gas Buster Charging Handle
SWS Forend w/ rial guards
PRI Adj. Gas Block for 16" barrel
LHC 3-Way Adj. Gas Block for 22" barrel
Chromed Bolt and Carrier
240 Rounds down the 22" and 15 down the 16"

If I remember right the seller said it was built by RWS gunsmithing. It was shipped with the 16" barrel attached and that's the one I was shooting with. I was shooting Federal powershok 150 gr soft points. The rifle would cock, it would just not chamber a round resulting in a dry fire. I had 10 rounds in the mag, ended up shooting 4 before the snow sent me on my way. Sounds like the possibility of the bolt carrier going to fast could be a reason.

As you guys can probably tell I'm a beginner when it comes to AR's. I do appreciate the help.
 
Is it not coming back far enough to catch a round or is it not fully chambering? There's no way you're beating the mag spring on a semi
 
you have an adjustable gas block on the 16" it either needs to be opened up more if not enough gas is entering the tube to push the carrier back far enough or too much gas is entering cycling too fast. try closing it or opening see what happens.
 
Does the bolt lock all the way back after you fire it? If not I'd check to make sure that the gas key on the bolt carrier is tight

This was the culprit for my only issues with my ar. It actually felt very tight but in reality the key had risen off the carrier just slightly, almost immeasurable amount, anyway I cranked down the two bolts on top and haven't had an issue since, going on a few thousand rounds I think. (Wish I had saved some of that ammo in hindsight)