Calling mil Shot corrections through spotting scope Question

[RedRaider271]

I am getting back into long range shooting, getting ready to buy new scope for my rifle and spotting scope. I am used to shooting in MOA, but I recently took a long range shooting course and after playing around and researching I have finally been able to understand the value in having a FFP scope with Mil Reticle and Mil Turrets.....

My stupidity now is if I am spotting for someone who is shooting with a Mil/Mil setup... how do you perform that function. I see shots/misses in inches/feet in my head, so when i call that in MOA it makes perfect sense to me if your shooting in MOA... If I am shooting a mil/mil setup by myself and I miss 1 mil low, I understand I can make 1 mil correction .... easy

How do you estimate misses with a spotting scope if your shooter is Mil/Mil and you suck with metric system... do i have to estimate in meters/centimeters, I would assume that buying a spotting scope that had a mil reticle could be one solution but the ones I used recently with a reticle made it hard to see trace.... Can someone please enlighten me, I am sure I am making this harder than it should be

 

[KYpatriot]

Mil is not metric at all. It is 1 inch at a thousand inches, 1 foot at a thousand feet, 1 meter at a thousand meters, 1 yard at a thousand yards. It is simply a ratio of 1 to 1000, works with any unit. If you are shooting at 1000 yards, a mil is one yard. A one foot correction is thus 1/3 of a mil.

Get a reticle spotting scope in in MOA or Mils, whichever you prefer, if you want to make accurate calls. Get FFP MOA/MOA scope if you like that better. They are both just angular measurements, just so happens that MOA is close to an inch at 100 (1.047 I believe). The whole point of FFP is to be able to make a call off the scope reticle that translates directly to the turret regardless of the magnification, since the reticle graduations will always be 1 mil or 1 moa with FFP. I just happen to like mils because they are coarser graduations.

 

[Coltster]

If you are in the market for new spotter with mil reticle I would take a hard look at the Bushnell Tactical LMSS 8-40x60mm with FFP Horus H32. Just got mine but so far seems like very solid build and nice glass, no problem with spotting trace.

 

[9H_Cracka]

" I see shots/misses in inches/feet in my head" - Really? Try doing that at 6 different distances on different size objects not in distance sequencial order in 1 minute....

Not pimpin' ya - just trying to get you to change your thinking around to using the reticle.

If you were spotting for yourself or someone else using the reticle to measure hold point versus point of impact, you would not need to worry about distance and calculating inches/feet/etc - giving a MIL correction as a spotter to your shooter in this situation is much easier for the spotter AND the shooter to give the correction in a MIL hold - straight off the reticle, no translations into any other system, no need to correlate to distance and object size.

Much more simple than doing what you are suggesting you "do in my head".

 

[Graham]

I see shots/misses in inches/feet in my head,

You don't see inches and feet, you just think you do (in your head).

Use the reticle: You will see the impact and the Mil marks. Call it the way it appears, according the gradiations in the reticle: If the impact appears 1.5 Mils to the right of the crosshair, call the correction 'Come left 1.5 Mils'.

 

[RedRaider271]

I appreciate the feedback... I hear ya all and I get what your saying. For shooting by myself i got it, watching, using reticle in my scope to make corrections. What has been hard for me is using a vortex spotting scope (as a spotter) that doesn't have a reticle in it to also observe hits or misses and make corrections quickly in mils , thats what I mean by seeing things for example a miss that appears 2 ft low or on the bottom of a plate, knowing how many inches the plate is I can estimate what the correction is in inches or feet. My silly brain i suppose. Im just trying to find tips to learn how to be better outside of just shooting and figuring it out. The one estimate of a mil being 3.5 moa helps put it in perspective....

 

[Jig Stick]

You don't see inches and feet, you just think you do (in your head).

Use the reticle: You will see the impact and the Mil marks. Call it the way it appears, according the gradiations in the reticle: If the impact appears 1.5 Mils to the right of the crosshair, call the correction 'Come left 1.5 Mils'.

what he said.

 

[RedRaider271]

that diagram just put it in perspective for me, awesome, thanks