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Rifle Scopes Tracking Point - The future of sniper systems

CoryT

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    I just spent two days with the guys from Tracking Point. While there are certainly issues to be worked out, if you ask me you are looking at the future of sniper systems. The system essentially eliminates two variables in the shooting equation, ballistic solution and shooter error. Once the tag is placed on the target, the striker will not fall until the alignment is correct. You can't flinch, make a bad press, etc. You can only really screw up the shot by a bad wind call or the inability to hold the tag point for 1/8 sec or so.

    We engaged targets from 300 to 750 with one shot each, the only misses were on day two in the afternoon when we had 15-18 mph gusting winds, and then it was only targets past 500 that had a miss.

    The scope is no longer a simple optical device. It's a 35x lens with a CCD camera and organic display. The reticle is drawn on the screen, and thus has no real limit on travel, save field of view at the elevation angle required to get the bullet to the target. The precision of the aiming point and reticle movement is at the pixel level, far beyond even 1/8 MOA increments. Since it is native 35x, the 6-35 zoom is smooth and free of the 'jaggies'. The image processing software nearly eliminate mirage effects and can only get better. The integrated rangefinder had no problems with man sized (18"x24") targets at 1K. The solution takes all ballistic factors into account 54 time per second. You can tag the target, roll 20 degrees right and when the reticle intersects the tag, ding, you hit. Ian Harrison whacked a 1 MOA dot on steel at 790 yards twice in a row from unsupported kneeling, no sling. It records the shot to an MP4 file, and you can stream live to an IPad or IPhone via WiFi, so you see what the shooter sees.

    Are there some limitations and issues? Sure, what Ver 1.0 of anything is perfect. They seem very receptive to feedback and I'm sending a list of mods I'd like to see in the system. There is a certain learning curve for shooters used to conventional systems, but it's not complicated, just different. Tag the target using the dot reticle and button at the front of the trigger guard. When the tag point look right on the target, press and hold the trigger. You can yank the snot out of it, whatever, it matters not. A red X reticle with small open circle appears. Move than onto the tag point. When the circle is on the dot, the rifle fires, alignment is always within .2 MOA.

    Compared to the guided projectile project, this is the next big thing, and I'd say they are way ahead of that.

    Keep an eye on this, it's going to be pretty interesting.
     
    Progress... Exciting and somehow sad simultaneoulsy IMHO... Thanks for the report.
     
    A lot of folks aren't going to like this but it is the future. Naturally, SH is the place where you get an opinion that is worth noting. Imagine what is going to be out there ten years from now.
     
    Sure a bold move into the right direction. Will see what comes after the improvements...Wind should be there too. One Shot XG accounts for the wind profile.
     
    I too wonder what happens when the battery is dead. I mean, do you still have a "sighting device" so to speak? That could be a real killer for tactical applications.
     
    It's dead if the batteries are dead. It does have a dual battery system, and you can hot swap in a fresh cell. I know people worry about battery operated devices, but think of all the items needed for a military sniper op that require batteries, we seem to manage OK.

    It does account for wind, it's just a manual entry. Once the tech is perfected for a laser wind read system it could included in the system, it's just not there yet, but it IS coming. That's one of the interface quibbles I've got, the entry is backwards, for a L-R wind you enter a Right correction, and the toggle switch on top of the scope as seen in the above pic is not the way I'd like to do it. Missed shot corrections from an incorrect wind value are an issue, I'm making some suggestions on that subject.

    I could do without all the HUD readouts, which are there mostly for marketing as far as I can tell. Since the system compensates automatically, I don't see any value in telling me I have a 15 degree cant in the hold, for example.

    Note that 17K is a complete system, scope, rangefinder, ballistic computer, weather and compass sensors, 1/2 MOA custom Surgeon rifle in an AX chassis, 200 rounds of matched ammo and hard case. Price out all the equivalent items and you are not out of line for the total.
     
    Not for me! Hell, might as well go with a small drone. That's really the future. I'm sure prices will come down when they're offered to civilians and mass produced. Would be good for spotting game while hunting too! Better yet, just get into video games and save on equipment and ammo and will have all options for weapons and targets in the comfort of your own home with some beer and snacks to boot!
     
    I can see this being for a very small market. It seems to work pretty well for stationary targets when the user judges the winds right. I cannot see any of my snipers trying to use this cause I can count on one hand the number of stationary targets that they have ever had to engage. Plus it does not seem like it would be condusive to fast follow up shots, especially when everything will be running and moving after the first shot.
     
    It certainly has promise, whether it ultimately proves to be a useful addition to the arsenal - time will tell.

    I appreciate that this is V1 and what you were doing was a demo of the state of the art rather than a test. Nonetheless I think you highlighted the key issues. We don't need a system like this to have certainty of hits out to 500 yards. It is an expensive tool for a problem that does not exist in that regard. What is potentially of value is a system which gives first round hits way out there. This is where the systems frailties are also likely to be greatest - i.e. wind.

    From what you describe it solidly solves issues relating to training and skill but the real test for the system is whether it can really turn wind as the largest non-deterministic variable into a deterministic variable and deliver a precision firing solution consistently. I do not pretend to understand the technology but my understanding is that its approach measures wind speed at the target which is not sufficient to go from non-deterministic to deterministic. Indeed your own experience beyond 500 yards demonstrated this.

    As with most things i suspect it will end up being an improvement on the current state of the art but not be the panacea that everyone hoped for. Whether that means it has added value or not will be judged by others
     
    Moving targets are in the beta test software right now. Basically it makes a box around the tagged target and the image processor keeps the box on the tagged image as separated from the background. There are some issues with the orientation of the target inside the box, you might need to wait for the angle to be right, but it does work.

    Fast followups for missed wind calls is an interface issue, not a software one. I'm thinking of a second wind tag switch, where you tag the splash which then updates the solution to the exact wind value, now future tags on that azimuth are spot on for wind. The software can even use the azimuth reading to alter the wind call as you move left-right.

    I think the tag button needs to integrate to the trigger, like a two-stage unit or a center lever like the Savage Accu-trigger. Install that in a semi-auto rifle and you've got a DM in a box. Press the first stage and tag, press and hold the second stage and align the reticle, ease to reset, find another bad guy to tag, it's that simple. No range estimation, no holdovers, no trigger control, don't worry about incline or cant. You can stick the rifle around the corner and drive it via the remote display, exposing nothing but the gun and still hit every time.

    Channory, when you say we don't need this to make certain of hits at 500, realize that this works for someone with no marksmanship training at all. Quite literally, you can take a person off the street at random, put them behind the rifle and in 5 minutes or less they hit everything from muzzle to 500m within .5 MOA of center. Think of the implications. While I agree a well trained sniper has no problem making 500m shots, how much time and effort and money is expended getting someone to that level?

    Wind speed is not measured at all in the current system, the user enters the estimated total crosswind value, that's it. That's all a ballistic computer needs. Once the laser wind read systems become available at a portable size and you include it in the system, you have a complete "one shot, one kill" system. Right now, that's not available, but it's coming. The technology exists, it's just too big to carry around.
     
    My local news just did a story about this company last week. I had no idea they were local here in Austin and just down the road from me. The news story was well done. They showed a young kid shooting that rig flawlessly and accurately. Someone later told me the little girl was the owner's daughter. I then checked their web site and was quite impressed with their offering, albeit way out of my price range. I hope to run into these guys at a local range. Might even try to swing by their shop if allowed. This technology seems kinds star warsy to me.
     
    Great. Now I'm going to turn into the 60 year old geezer later in my life talking about "In my day, people actually had to train to make hits. None of this newfangled whipper-snapper electronic aiming."

    (Forget my rangefinder, GPS, Kestrel for a moment...)
     
    Yes, downrange wind profiling technology exists in the form of LIDAR. DARPA is adapting it into the One Shot XG system...problem is the cost for development of a complete and workable system. So far, DARPA granted CUBIC (Lockheed before) over $ 12 MILLION...and it's still in the works after 4 years.

    So, I wonder if a private, emerging company can do that for less. Not to mention the huge issues to tackle with size, power and heat. As I see it, the current V1 of the Tracking Point is a nice test bed demonstrator, more than a fieldable system. They should go with metering wind at the shooter and that by itself would be a great improvement and step forward in the right direction.

    How do you compare the quality of the optics, being a CCD, with the current high end scopes?
     
    The only real problem with the optics is the sunlight readability of the display. They are using an OLED system, and while it is very good, light from behind can wash it out. Targets in deep shadow can be hard to locate, the contrast and sharpness is not up to say a S&B. That tech gets better every day, so it will get there soon enough.
     
    Will be very interesting to see the technology progress.
     
    You still call your own wind?

    And I can't see how bad fundamentals ain't gonna still screw up the shot. How much shoulder pressure is it zeroed for? And the gun can be moving when it automatically releases the firing pin? I merely sweep the reticle over the PoA? I can imagine the untrained shooter's extended flinch as he waits (anticipates) the gun's recoil, which he is not in control of.

    I guess I'd really like to see a test where they pluck 100 truly uninitiated shooters and teach 'em up.
     
    Damn, this looks like exciting technology! It comes as a bit bittersweet, as the elimination of the shooter out of the equation does tend to take the fun out of... shooting?
     
    This has application in the battle and survival realms but I for one would not want one for target shooting or even hunting.
    Removing the skill factor is certainly not going to make the shooting I do for fun more enjoyable.

    Joe
     
    dead battery isn't an issue...they're easy to charge. If there is a direct contact for them, let me know- I can work on a charging system for them, even have a switch that will power the system without a battery