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vortex bubble level

TOPGuN050

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hello. yesterday i installed a vortex bubble level on my scope. problem is, i used another level to insure the rifle/scope were level before installation. i get it all set up and look through the scope and cant the rifle untill the level read right on the money. looked back into the optics and it seems as if my reticle doesnt "look" straight. i know for a fact the scope was mounted correctly and my rings/base is fine. what could i be doing wrong? or is this some sort of illusion i am seeing because my head is not perfectly straight up and down behind the optics? i am most likeley wrong here but something doesnt seem right.

anyone else have this sort of issue?

any and all help is appreciated, thanks
 
i had a smith check the reticle and scope level before mounting the bubble and everything checked out good.
 
Topgun050 - fwiw, My scope was installed dead-on nuts level but every now and then my reticle will appear turned a bit clockwise. I realized that it only happens if I am not looking dead straight through the scope and also only when I wear my glasses.
 
Topgun050 - fwiw, My scope was installed dead-on nuts level but every now and then my reticle will appear turned a bit clockwise. I realized that it only happens if I am not looking dead straight through the scope and also only when I wear my glasses.

Check your cheek weld - my father always thinks the scopes I mount are crooked...it's because of how he looks through the glass and the reading glasses he wears. I sometimes put in an hour or more of work on a customers rifle to get things on the mark with the levels and plumb bob. They ain't crooked. ;)
 
I put a lot of effort into making sure my scopes are set up right because the reticle always looks a little off.

I can put my rifle in a stand and line the reticle up with plumb line and see that it is straight. As long as I have it lined up with the plumb line it looks right. If I move it just enough so that the plumb line is out of view, it looks crooked. Move it back to line up with the line and it looks straight. :confused:

I don't know if this is a common thing or if something is off in my head.
 
thanks for the replys fellas, i will play around with my cheak weld later on today if i get the chance to see if that fixes the issue. if not i suppose i will have to double check the mounting again. i guess triple checking it wouldnt hurt.

i think possibly, my cheak pad may be a bit high and if i lower it some i wont have to cant my head as much to get a good full sight picture.

thanks again, much appreciated
 
that thread makes my head spin a bit, but i understand lowlights reasoning, use the lvl as a training tool. lvl the scope to the world and dont worry so much about a slight cant. train with it and go just shy of ignoring it when in a real world situation such as a match.

thanks pinecone
 
I found it very interesting and making sense also.

I shoot sporting clays and gun fit so that you shoulder the shotgun and it is pointing properly is very important.
 
Tightening of the screws on the ring will slightly move the bubble. This may be what you're experiencing. You get the bubble level with rifle/reticle, then TIGHTEN it. in the tightening process it shifts slightly. Then when you look from bubble to reticle, your reticle is slightly off... NO, you're bubble is now slightly off.

I fought this for a couple sessions then realized it was in the tightening of the ring where things were changing.
 
Here's what I do in terms of leveling:

Eyeball the scope on the rifle until it looks level enough. Tighten down rings like you normally would to install a scope.

Remove the scope from the rifle (leave the rings on the scope).

Install the bubble level and look through the scope at a plumb line. Tweak the bubble until it is centered when the verticle line of the reticle is parallel to the plumb line.

Reinstall scope.


Scope to rifle alignment is not important. Scope to gravity alignment is quite important.
 
Just take the level off the rifle, you will spend more time jacking with it and taking you attention away from wind, mirage and other important variables. I had the Vortex and it is a nice little unit, but put my OCD into hyperdrive. If your scope is plumb with the rifle, your eyes will do the job for you.

Thomas is a member here, he did a quick demo using a digital inclinometer.

Longrange blog 56: Scope level - YouTube
 
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If you're searching for the ultimate accuracy, forget about the reticle. First, you need a plumb bob. Align the vertical part of the reticle along the string (= parallel) and check if the cross tracks it perfectly when you dial the vertical turret. In this position a good scope should track the string, but sometimes it doesn't. So it does not matter if your cross is level or not, what is important is : when you dial the turret up or down, the cross must follow the string. Tilt the scope until it tracks correctly, nothing else matters. Once the scope is level (read : it perfectly tracks a vertical line) tighten your bubble level around the scope and that's it. Remember : a good scope is built so that the "vertical" line of the cross is really vertical when the cross tracks vertically but if there is a difference, you will have to choose between a tilted cross that tracks perfectly or a leveled cross that doesn't track perfectly, always discard the second option, but if it happens, only the center of the cross will be useful, all the mil dots around are canted and won't shoot dead center.

Keep in mind that a rail bubble level (attached to the gun) could give a less-than-perfect result because you cannot zero it, a scope bubble level can be zeroed as described above and is a better choice. Like if there were no horizontal turret because "in theory" the scope is aligned with the rail that is aligned with the barrel.

If the barrel and the cross are not on the same vertical line, it will not make you shoot two yards off center at 100 yards, I agree, but at a long range it can make a little difference. Same thing as the Coriolis effect, you don't take care of it until you shoot things that are very far away from you. There's a video on Youtube that shows what happens with a canted gun shooting at 600 yards.
 
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