For those of you running suppressed 17s is it worth it? I've been wanting to try one.
Hunting & Fishing Who likes 17 cal centerfires?
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Worlds greatest Wolf Cartrage, tons of the old fur hunters up here loved it. Small entrance hole, no exit. Easy to patch the small hole. I watched my uncle but a wolf at 125 yards with it, it took 3 steps and it was done. Great round!
Tstevens just finished my 17-204 this week hope to be burning powder soon.
I have a savage, 17 hornet, havent really got a chance to go coyote hunting with her yet, but sight in at 100 yards, was driving tacks! Another coyote hunting buddy and I called one in to 100 yards a couple weeks ago and he hammered it with an hmr so I imagine the hornet oughtta be effective too!
Cool Bro, I'll be looking forward to hearing how she goes..... I've got a shot out 22-250 on a fn98 mauser action that I need to do something with.
It's got to be a barn stormer, the 204 is no slouch, but this thing with a 30 grn bullet has to be Wicked!
Cheers,
Breeze
Took the 17Predator to visit my Oklahoma buds and it did a great job. No fur damage on my coyotes, just little red dots like this
and likewise on one pretty kitty, not a mark on it...
Had a good trip!
and likewise on one pretty kitty, not a mark on it...
Had a good trip!
Took the 17Predator to visit my Oklahoma buds and it did a great job. No fur damage on my coyotes, just little red dots like this
and likewise on one pretty kitty, not a mark on it...
Had a good trip!
That's a nice looking rifle. Do you mind telling us the specs?
Took the 17Predator to visit my Oklahoma buds and it did a great job. No fur damage on my coyotes, just little red dots like this
and likewise on one pretty kitty, not a mark on it...
Had a good trip!
Would you mind telling us the specs on your rifle? I like that camo paint job.
Sure, and thank you!
Seven action, w/ full Gre-Tan accurizing job (truing, bushed pin, sleeved bolt, etc). #3 contour Lilja, 1:9" twist, 24". Chambered in .17Predator, .199" neck. Rem AWR stock, Talley 30mm LWs, Premier Hunter 3-15x50. All metal is OD Cerakoted
Built by Greg Tannel, Gre-Tan Rifles. He does top notch work!
I camo'ed the stock with Krylon and a sponge...
Sweet stuff KED! What kind of ranges were the kills at? I'm just starting with the 25grn bergers to see if I like them yet.
Cheers,
breeze
Cheers,
breeze
Very nice. What's the total weight?
Sorry, I haven't been back to this thread till now.
At this point I wish I had gone the 19 Badger route! I'm still thinking about getting one. My 17R's got some problems with flyers. I might have to send it off and have it looked at by a good smith.
Steve-O, what twist is your 17R and how heavy a bullet you shooting?
I was reading the 20x47L thread and Holy shit, those 55grn bergers have to be hauling the mail. Be interesting to see what Knockemdown is shooting withthat 17P.
Cheers and good luck with the project!,
breeze
I was reading the 20x47L thread and Holy shit, those 55grn bergers have to be hauling the mail. Be interesting to see what Knockemdown is shooting withthat 17P.
Cheers and good luck with the project!,
breeze
I tried 20 vmax, 25 vmax and 25 HP and 30 golds, it's got a 9 twist. Since I've tried 3 scopes on it I'm thinking maybe it's a problem with how the bottom metal is contacting the stock.
Hoping for better luck with the 20x47!
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in your opinion, which would be easier to set up for a novice reloader? 17-204 or 17P Thanks for your input on this.
steve-O, that 20x47L just sounds insane. What kinda velocities are you going to push? roughly? That might even be more intriuging than the 17-204.
dont' you just hate it when someone comes up, at the last second, with someting totally bastard different, and then all the questions come running back in!
I saw something on a 20-250, and my gun ADD kicked in hyperdrive.
Cheers,
Breeze
dont' you just hate it when someone comes up, at the last second, with someting totally bastard different, and then all the questions come running back in!
I saw something on a 20-250, and my gun ADD kicked in hyperdrive.
Cheers,
Breeze
Hey Steve-O, just a random last thought here on your 17R, have you tried that little remington accutip bullet yet? In my fireball, it has been the most accurate of anytrhing I've shot. The 20grn accu-tip flat shoots.
Breeze
Breeze
I'm pushing moly'ed 30gr Golds @ 4085-90 with Big Game. No pressure and the accuracy is outstanding.
Straight neck down on a "no turn" .17-204 chamber will def be easier and give you even more case capacity (~1.5gr) than a .17P. Just run .204 brass thru a bushing die, and rock & roll! You can prolly push a 30gr to 4250 safely with a .17-204, but believe me @4100 they are schmokin'! I'm not much beyond a 'novice' reloader, and sizing and neck turning Lapua .223 brass for the .17P was actually a fun and rewarding experience!!! Time consuming, but I learned alot while making some minor mistakes along the way. Surely, a .17-204 will get you rolling with minimal time & effort and the most HP in return. 26" barrel to harness that extra speed!
Furthest shot from that trip was on a leaving coyote @ 350-ish. Put the Xhairs about ear high & just out front of the nose and drilled that fawker right between the shoulder blades, going away at 11:00 angle. Loaded & slung,The rifle weighs an oz. under 9lbs with a chunk o' glass on it. Feels great on the stix and not too much to tote all day.
Good luck and have fun with your build!!!
I dont know why this one just popped out at me, but it did.....ABSOF'INGLUTELY. If you got a can use it, if you don't, then buy one.
Can'd everything is great. If I could, I'd have a can for each of my guns. Once you pull the trigger the first time, you've been infected with the sickness, it's worse than a crack rock/mixed with a zombie virus. If'n you ever pull the trigger on a critter and hear the resulting "thump" of the bullet when it makes contact......you are F'cked. MY first can kill was with a 45 acp on a 'yote at 60 yards......sounded like a ripe water melon hitting the floor.
I've been threading all my barrels since. my 308 can covers everything except the new 338 from RWS, gotta get doug at SRT to build me a titanium for that one now.
Cheers,
Breeze
We're looking forward to a range report and pics!
It's been super windy so I only shot 7 rounds just to do some breakin and get a zero for the ladder test. I didn't bring the chrono but as soon as I get a chance I'll let you guys know how fast it's going.
Haven't tried those, thanks for the suggestion.
Beretta man, did Tstevens change his 'hide name to something else? I tried to drop him a pm about doing my old mauser and couldn't come up with a good name. Something about playball_87 or something?
Thanks for the help on this.,
Breeze
Yep his Signature is now ts_playball_87 I'll try and grab some pictures of my 17-204 this Weekend just waiting to pick my scope up.
Sweeet! I'm starting to get moist just thinking about those screaming slivers of death! 30 grns at 4250.....hellfire!
Same 25 grain Hornady HP, 160Y this time. I hit a couple more but couldn't find them. It's very dissapointing how few PD's there are now where I live compared the thousands there was before when I was growing up.
Steve-O, i'm beginning to beleive that I'm not the only kid on the block with gun A.D.D.! My goodness you have some irons in the fire. We are nearing the Yucatan peninsula, saw the first bird in 10 days.
I just talked with TStevens about the 17-204, he informed me that's a no go for my mauser rebarrel. Hard put to get a bolt face small enough. Crap. Thinking about making it a 22-250AI. I've got two 250's already since this one went to shit..........not sure what direction to go now. What's the sketch on that 17-6.5G, that has to be a blazing li'l bastard as well.
Thanks for the carnage pic,
Breeze
I just talked with TStevens about the 17-204, he informed me that's a no go for my mauser rebarrel. Hard put to get a bolt face small enough. Crap. Thinking about making it a 22-250AI. I've got two 250's already since this one went to shit..........not sure what direction to go now. What's the sketch on that 17-6.5G, that has to be a blazing li'l bastard as well.
Thanks for the carnage pic,
Breeze
How about a 20-250???, that'll mix things up for you with all those 250's you have.
Good grief, Yucatan peninsula. How often do get home man! What's your occupation if you don't mind me asking?
I still haven't got the 17-6.5 reamer yet. I better call PTG next week, been about 3 months. I did get all the form dies though, made up a 17-6.5 G dummy case with a 30 degree shoulder, ready to fireform to 40 degree someday.
Oh alright, you're on. A 20-250 sounds like the way forward.
I was really suprised when TStevens told me the 17-204 with the 30's was running out of steam at 300, especially for coyotes.
Ha! I'm a chief eng/maintenance super out on the rigs. presently in a troubleshooter/helper/trainer mode. We are towing a rig back down to Brazil after a 12 month shipyard in Brownsville, TX. I get to hop off in Trinidad here in 12 days or so.
I just read the Dave Affleck article about his 20-250 and really like his idea. Slow twist of 12 with 35-40gr bullets near 4300fps, maximum point blank range of 400yds. Do you have any smith recommendations?
I don't normally get to chime in with you guys when I'm home, too many irons in the fire. You know the funny thing is that even though I'm THE chief out here, when I'm home, I'm just another indian! That woman ain't scared to hold "the nani" hostage until her Honey Do list gets a few things marked off
On a happy note....she sent game cam pics and I've got a huge bobcat, thee different 'yotes and a gray fox within 200 yards of the house. So the 17fb and the BPS 10ga are fixing to get a work out!!!
Cheers,
Breeze
I was really suprised when TStevens told me the 17-204 with the 30's was running out of steam at 300, especially for coyotes.
Ha! I'm a chief eng/maintenance super out on the rigs. presently in a troubleshooter/helper/trainer mode. We are towing a rig back down to Brazil after a 12 month shipyard in Brownsville, TX. I get to hop off in Trinidad here in 12 days or so.
I just read the Dave Affleck article about his 20-250 and really like his idea. Slow twist of 12 with 35-40gr bullets near 4300fps, maximum point blank range of 400yds. Do you have any smith recommendations?
I don't normally get to chime in with you guys when I'm home, too many irons in the fire. You know the funny thing is that even though I'm THE chief out here, when I'm home, I'm just another indian! That woman ain't scared to hold "the nani" hostage until her Honey Do list gets a few things marked off
On a happy note....she sent game cam pics and I've got a huge bobcat, thee different 'yotes and a gray fox within 200 yards of the house. So the 17fb and the BPS 10ga are fixing to get a work out!!!
Cheers,
Breeze
I'm just fireforming with some light loads(20gr vmax 7.8gr 1680) seeing around 2600. I started out with a recommended load of 7.5 gr of 296 and it was way faster but proved to be temp sensitive and when it warmed up i started to blow primers. Hornet brass is crazy hard to find right now and every ruined case makes my butt pucker. The new loads are mild with just a pop and a slight shudder but seem to do a better job on ground squirrels than a .17hmr. Once the cases are formed I think i can get around 3000fps with this little barrel. I got the model 7 back from the gunsmith with a new 20" .221 fireball barrel and it is really bad news for squirrels even though it's not a hot rod at just over 2900 with a 50 gr bullet. Sings squirrels right to sleep out at 200 yards.
Oh alright, you're on. A 20-250 sounds like the way forward.
I was really suprised when TStevens told me the 17-204 with the 30's was running out of steam at 300, especially for coyotes.
Ha! I'm a chief eng/maintenance super out on the rigs. presently in a troubleshooter/helper/trainer mode. We are towing a rig back down to Brazil after a 12 month shipyard in Brownsville, TX. I get to hop off in Trinidad here in 12 days or so.
I just read the Dave Affleck article about his 20-250 and really like his idea. Slow twist of 12 with 35-40gr bullets near 4300fps, maximum point blank range of 400yds. Do you have any smith recommendations?
I don't normally get to chime in with you guys when I'm home, too many irons in the fire. You know the funny thing is that even though I'm THE chief out here, when I'm home, I'm just another indian! That woman ain't scared to hold "the nani" hostage until her Honey Do list gets a few things marked off
On a happy note....she sent game cam pics and I've got a huge bobcat, thee different 'yotes and a gray fox within 200 yards of the house. So the 17fb and the BPS 10ga are fixing to get a work out!!!
Cheers,
Breeze
Ok Chief, I got you figured out now. When you get home you must have a massive honeydoo list and wifey wants attended to on all fronts.
Can you give the link to Daves 20-250 article?
I wish we had those little ground squirrels around here where I live, also some wood chucks as long as I'm wishin.
I guess really small cases and temp sensitive powders are in the same territory. No choice but to load it light or adjust the powder charge for the time of year you'll be shooting.
3000 fps with a 20 grainer out of that tiny case is crazy! Single shot right?
Here's the article The .20-250 - why the .20-250?
The guy does a good read- not just "i gotta wild hair" type story. At the very end he does a two year later update that verifies his work up.
I do like the idea of a 22-250ai with a 8/9tw bbl running 80grn Berger and being able to hit way out there, but that ain't where I live. He states a good case for a longer medium range gun.
I work / cover my pastures mostly, so 88% of my shots are 325 and in. The other 12% would be up on my Uncle's mountain top in near parthenon, ar and would get into 450 yard possibilities.
That's right, the good lady is gonna get some stuff done before I disappear. cooking for the boys US-SF, AM Legion, USO & W/W project. Working with the Vets in Biloxi VA Hospital, fixing tractors, going to arkansas to get our M35-A2/m105 trailer ..........phew! Just gotta a 50 cal, gotta go shoot it and all 3 bullets I could find!
Ramble, ramble.....
I try to sleep on the plane going back and forth to work, from there who knows! Somewhere in the middel the office calls and "we need you in Houston for a week" ffffffffffffffffffffoooooooookkk!
Right now about my A.D.D.,
Breeze
And yes that's me in a "skirt" in northern Scotland
The guy does a good read- not just "i gotta wild hair" type story. At the very end he does a two year later update that verifies his work up.
I do like the idea of a 22-250ai with a 8/9tw bbl running 80grn Berger and being able to hit way out there, but that ain't where I live. He states a good case for a longer medium range gun.
I work / cover my pastures mostly, so 88% of my shots are 325 and in. The other 12% would be up on my Uncle's mountain top in near parthenon, ar and would get into 450 yard possibilities.
That's right, the good lady is gonna get some stuff done before I disappear. cooking for the boys US-SF, AM Legion, USO & W/W project. Working with the Vets in Biloxi VA Hospital, fixing tractors, going to arkansas to get our M35-A2/m105 trailer ..........phew! Just gotta a 50 cal, gotta go shoot it and all 3 bullets I could find!
Ramble, ramble.....
I try to sleep on the plane going back and forth to work, from there who knows! Somewhere in the middel the office calls and "we need you in Houston for a week" ffffffffffffffffffffoooooooookkk!
Right now about my A.D.D.,
Breeze
And yes that's me in a "skirt" in northern Scotland
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I just wish we had more squirrels around here. I got several calls from places I have hunted in the past telling me they were going to have alot of squirrels this year. Like an idiot i decided to get some builds completed that I've been putting off for the last 10-15 years. Got this .17 Squirrel back, then the .221 and will probably have the .375 back by mid summer and now everyone is saying the squirrel population is down again. I had planned on taking a break from my diesel hobby and do some shooting this year. Looks like I'll be playing with the truck again instead. Here's a pic of the .17. Not much to look at but it's short and light(feels like carrying a BB gun) and shoots alot better than i figured it would. If I put a 10 or 12 power scope on it I'd probably be impressed.
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Good God, what kind of squirrels you got over there needing a 375, and are you using solids or expanding? Hell i'll bring big Noreen over and we'll snipe their asses from a safe distance!
That li'l Ruger looks like a terminator style rig, ain't sexy but functional....
Breeze
Oh damn, just dawned on me, you must've meant 375 CheyTac. my bad!
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This is California and with all these earthquakes you just never know when a cracks going to open up and release one of them neandrathal jack rabbits. I like to have something bigger than a .17 in the truck, just in case.
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Nnnnnnnnnnooooo, not the dreaded "Transmorgrifier" (try to find that word in a dictionary!) They must be cousins to the vorpal bunnies from "search fo the holy grail".....run away, run away.
Hah!,
Breeze
Apologies OP, and now back to your regularly scheduled programming...........
I have a Cooper .17 Mk IV. and it throw pills at 3550 fps. It wears a Zeiss Davairi fixed 10 on it. It is my only carry rifle as I am into bench shooting and big iron.
It has been used for groundhogs exclusively and takes them stone dead to 300 yards and wounds beyond that. Hits are very unexciting as the critters simply collapse without showing the hit, what I call a "down elevator". You must look real hard for an entrance hole and there will not be an exit. Internal damage is significant.
For those enjoying the incredibledamage of a .20, don't go .17. For limited pelt damage, absolutely.
It has been used for groundhogs exclusively and takes them stone dead to 300 yards and wounds beyond that. Hits are very unexciting as the critters simply collapse without showing the hit, what I call a "down elevator". You must look real hard for an entrance hole and there will not be an exit. Internal damage is significant.
For those enjoying the incredibledamage of a .20, don't go .17. For limited pelt damage, absolutely.
I shot a few coyotes with a .20 tactical back when the little 32gr v-maxes first came out. It made a tiny entry hole and never an exit. Longest shot I made was around 175 yards where I got my first double where I downed one and the mate came out to sniff and I got it about 30 seconds later. It would drop them instantly which I liked better than the drop and flop from my .17 mach IV. The 30 gr Bergers were very accurate with AA2460, but not enough damage.
I can't even imagine necking the 6.5 Lapua down to .20, but I see they have alot heavier bullets for it now than when I had mine.
I can't even imagine necking the 6.5 Lapua down to .20, but I see they have alot heavier bullets for it now than when I had mine.
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17's are a lot of fun, I've got a 17 HMR, 17 AH and a 17 Rem, all three do very well, although the AH is just amazing with 11 grs. of powder I'm getting around 3550 fps with 20 gr. pills. 350-400 yd hits on prarie dogs are common with this combo. The new 17 Hornet is interesting, similar to the AH without custom dies and fire forming.
