In Light Of Recent Killings Fed Prosecutor QUITS

[Slapchop]

This coward should go be an ambulance chaser or a legal aid somewhere. What you did was just embolden the enemy you coward!
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Federal prosecutor quits racketeering case, as Texas DA murders spark security fears


The murders of two prosecutors in Kaufman County, Texas, apparently has prompted a federal prosecutor to withdraw from a major racketeering case in Houston, the latest sign that attacks on lawmen are having a chilling effect on the judicial system.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Jay Hileman sent defense attorneys an email Tuesday saying he was withdrawing from the case against the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas due to safety concerns.

“I understand why someone would want to step back, and it makes sense to me, especially people who have families,” defense attorney Richard Ely, who is representing one of the defendants in the case, said. “Jay is a friend of mine, and this was a personal decision.”

The Aryan Brotherhood case, which netted 34 indictments last November, was followed by a statewide warning that the white supremacist prison gang may be planning retaliation. Ely doesn’t know the origins of the threat, but he thinks it was probably someone just “spouting off.”

The Kaufman County District Attorney's Office was named in the threat because it joined several other agencies on a task force aimed at cracking down on white supremacist groups. Since then, District Attorney Mike McLelland and Deputy DA Mark Hasse have been murdered in brazen attacks.

The murders in Kaufman County have prompted tighter security for a number of other prosecutors in the state of Texas, including Harris County District Attorney Mike Anderson.

A high-profile attorney told MyFoxHouston.com that he started seeing a group of U.S. Marshals escorting Hileman around the city two months ago, which coincided with the Jan. 31 murder of Hasse.

The recent murders, including the killing of Colorado prisons chief Tom Clements, which investigators believe may be linked, have raised questions of security for prosecutors across the country.

“There are 40,000 prosecutors in the country, and anyone who has spent some time trying a case will probably tell you that they receive threats all the time,” Scott Burns, executive director for the National District Attorneys Association, told FoxNews.com. “What happened in Kaufman County is not only an assault on these attorneys but it is also an assault on the rule of law and the judicial system.”

He added: “This is unfortunately something we deal with all the time. The only good news is that to be murdered because of your position as a prosecutor is still very (unlikely).”

Others say that there has been a recent rise of attacks against attorneys at their homes, which has gone largely unnoticed until recently.

“There is some research that suggests these acts are increasing,” Steven Jansen, VP and CEO of the Association of Prosecuting Attorneys, told FoxNews.com. “It may be due to addresses of district attorneys now being available online.”

Incidents like these adversely affect the judicial system’s functioning when people are targeted simply to slow or stop a case from going forward.

Heath Harris, an assistant district attorney in Dallas, told the Los Angeles Times that the recent murders could have lasting effects.

"I've always reassured them (new attorneys) you really don't have to fear retaliation,” he said. "I definitely think people will think twice about becoming a prosecutor."

Read more: Federal prosecutor quits racketeering case, as Texas DA murders spark security fears | Fox News

 

[pawprint2]

I'm not pointing fingers, but, this raises some questions, big time for me. Am I the only one that thinks this Fed Atry may know something more than he is saying? That maybe he knows who and WHY this is happening? As in, if I admit to _____________, I may go to jail! "Yea we shouldn't have ___________, but I wanted to look good...." Or is it just a case of a prison gang actually taking over the justice system?

 

[Phylodog]

This just may turn out to be a good thing for the 2nd ammendmen in the long run. Not saying I agree with threats or the murder of prosecuting attorneys but a logical step toward avoiding being murdered is to carry a firearm for self defense. Many a former prosecuting attorney eventually ends up running for election at the local/state/federal level. Perhaps the importance of this right will become more apparent and they won't forget it once in office.

ETA: Oh and this guy is a ninny.

 

[Jayne]

This just may turn out to be a good thing for the 2nd ammendmen in the long run.

When has any threat to the ruling elite resulted in more freedom for the common man?

 

[pawprint2]

When has any threat to the ruling elite resulted in more freedom for the common man?

The American Revolution-1776.

 

[Rthur]

I would agree Paw, the problem is those type of people are hard to come by these days.

R

 

[Phylodog]

When has any threat to the ruling elite resulted in more freedom for the common man?

Did you read the rest of my post? I did use the word "may".

 

[Jayne]

Did you read the rest of my post? I did use the word "may".

I saw that, I just don't know of a case when someone has been threatened that things have gotten easier for the rest of us. If it has, then we might be able to draw a parallel to that vs. what's going on in this case.

The revolution didn't count, that wasn't a threat against the elites that was a removal of the elites. Hard for them to say "hey, we need to disarm everyone who's not us" when they're actively being shot at.

 

[leagle2]

FUCK YOU Slapshot!!!! Tough guy, you strap on your gun and patrol the streets everyday and put YOUR life on the line. You don't put your families life on the line. I've been there and done that. Nearly 30 years ago I was prosecuting the leader of a drug gang that killed two members of his own gang because they didn't get permission before they killed two other people. We got a phone call, from a California Parole Officer, who reported that one of his parolees had got wind of a contract on me/ my family and the chief investigating officer. (This was Delaware and the information came out of California who the hell knows who had heard the offer) The Parole Officer started out by asking my name and then saying "Do you have an infant daughter?" In fact my first daughter was 7 months old at the time. The contract was to kidnap my daughter and to kill my wife if she put up too great a fight. The ransom was for me to drop the charges and announce that it was for lack of evidence. I had to move my wife and daughter out of state under police guard, (I missed my wife's first Mother's Day) The Col. of the Delaware State Po;ice ordered a 24 hour around the clock guard on me. (turns out the backup plan was to kill me and the chief investigating officer). The defendant got a visit and a warning. After two weeks of two officers a night living in my living room I called the Col. and told him "thanks but no thanks. I'm armed and I'll be ok) Took two months before I moved my family home. I'll never forget my wife's voice when I called and told her she had to lock the doors and get out one of my guns. I'll never forget the terror on her face when I got home (the cops got there before I did).
Now I don't know how you or your department interacts with the prosecutors but I went to every homicide scene, I wrote search warrants and on occasion went out when the warrants were executed. I knew every cop in this county by their first name, I knew most of their wives and girlfriends (sometimes both at the same time) My daughter's God father was a cop. I was law enforcement. In 9 1/2 years I lost exactly one jury trial and when I left the Department of Justice I was told that I had prosecuted more homicides than any one else at the Department. My last year as a prosecutor every detective in my county, with overtime, made more money than I did. It is what I chose to do for myself but I didn't sign my family up for that shit. I thought about walking away when my family was threatened but I had a place I could hide them. 30 years later with the internet and other technology there is no where that anyone can hide anywhere.
I understand the AUSA cited family concerns for his decision.
Big man, you made the decision for yourself, but you didn't make it for your family. SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Btw, I convicted the bastard and he is still alive doing 2 consecutive life w/o paroles

 

[kraigWY]

In Light Of Recent Killings Fed Prosecutor QUITS

Pussy

When the going gets tough, he quits.

 

[pawprint2]

I recall a number of Reservists being called up for active duty, and they left for Canada, or what ever-they had long lists about why the joined the reserves, money for school etc., but never intended to fight if called up. I see the same thing happening here. It seems to me, someone as super smart as a prosecutor would know the risks before he/she/heshe took the job. Kind-a-like a call up, the day came when you had to pony up, some said no, they had been cowards and/or liars the whole time. I find it hard to believe that any prosecutor is not aware of the risks that go along with the job, for him/her/himher, when the heat gets turned up in the kitchen they quit. If they had any real integrity, they wouldn't have taken the job to start with. In short they took money under false pretense, and yet had the gull to send others to jail for taking money under false pretense (not that those criminals shouldn't have gone to jail), but the taxpayers have the right to know our justice system is clean, not just from bribes/good ole boy BS/lazy prosecutors/etc. but that when we hire a prosecutor he isn't a cowardly liar, they will cut and run when the heat gets turned up. Just ask yourself, what if ALL prosecutors were as cowardly, the entire justice system would stop working, and prison gangs would take over period. Thank God for the prosecutors that have a set, never lied about doing the job, and are not going to let the court system be run by prison gangs. I just hope those wooosseeeeees that have thought about becoming prosecutors, but don't have the balls to do the job, if the heat is turned up, decide to do something else (maybe banking) Americans are entitled to have men and women of entegrity acting as our prosecutors, judges etc. Those that find excuses to cut and run when the things get tough--we all know what they are.

 

[leagle2]

Pawprint. The difference is that the reservists were to put their life on the line. No one suggested that their loved ones were going to be sought out and killed. The minute the Texas DA's wife died the game changed for every prosecutor handling high profile, ultra violent criminal groups. We all got threats, most of them laughable but, until now, family was off limits. These groups are learning alot just watching Mexico.
I don't know why the AUSA's reason for resignation was made public. Most of these guys are very good lawyers. All he most likely had to do was to make a few phone calls to a couple of the big Houston law firms and then send a letter of resignation citing the much higher salary and the need to support his family. The publication of his reasons for leaving certainly doesn't serve law enforcement well but the decision he made doesn't make him a coward or a pussy.

 

[kraigWY]

So you're saying its ok to cut and run if your family is threatened. I call BULLSHIT. That's no way to run a country. Bad guys threaten you, quit, bad guys win.

the decision he made doesn't make him a coward or a pussy.

I say it does. Been there, could have quit but nope, put my family in hiding until we caught the guy who was gonna blow up my house. ( That incident is what go me into EOD).

This crap is just saying "all evil had to do to prevail is to threaten the peace keepers"..................Sorry, I wont live like that.

 

[Slapchop]

FUCK YOU Slapshot!!!! Tough guy, you strap on your gun and patrol the streets everyday and put YOUR life on the line. You don't put your families life on the line. I've been there and done that. Nearly 30 years ago I was prosecuting the leader of a drug gang that killed two members of his own gang because they didn't get permission before they killed two other people. We got a phone call, from a California Parole Officer, who reported that one of his parolees had got wind of a contract on me/ my family and the chief investigating officer. (This was Delaware and the information came out of California who the hell knows who had heard the offer) The Parole Officer started out by asking my name and then saying "Do you have an infant daughter?" In fact my first daughter was 7 months old at the time. The contract was to kidnap my daughter and to kill my wife if she put up too great a fight. The ransom was for me to drop the charges and announce that it was for lack of evidence. I had to move my wife and daughter out of state under police guard, (I missed my wife's first Mother's Day) The Col. of the Delaware State Po;ice ordered a 24 hour around the clock guard on me. (turns out the backup plan was to kill me and the chief investigating officer). The defendant got a visit and a warning. After two weeks of two officers a night living in my living room I called the Col. and told him "thanks but no thanks. I'm armed and I'll be ok) Took two months before I moved my family home. I'll never forget my wife's voice when I called and told her she had to lock the doors and get out one of my guns. I'll never forget the terror on her face when I got home (the cops got there before I did).
Now I don't know how you or your department interacts with the prosecutors but I went to every homicide scene, I wrote search warrants and on occasion went out when the warrants were executed. I knew every cop in this county by their first name, I knew most of their wives and girlfriends (sometimes both at the same time) My daughter's God father was a cop. I was law enforcement. In 9 1/2 years I lost exactly one jury trial and when I left the Department of Justice I was told that I had prosecuted more homicides than any one else at the Department. My last year as a prosecutor every detective in my county, with overtime, made more money than I did. It is what I chose to do for myself but I didn't sign my family up for that shit. I thought about walking away when my family was threatened but I had a place I could hide them. 30 years later with the internet and other technology there is no where that anyone can hide anywhere.
I understand the AUSA cited family concerns for his decision.
Big man, you made the decision for yourself, but you didn't make it for your family. SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Btw, I convicted the bastard and he is still alive doing 2 consecutive life w/o paroles

I know what I'm talking about more than what you give me credit for. So stop being ignorant and emotional. Do you think that DAs and prosecutors are the only ones that receive credible death threats? Stop pontificating and get off your high horse. Cops get threatened EVERYDAY. Cops are shot at EVERYDAY. Cops are killed on a regular basis. More so than DAs and prosecutors. As much as I'd like to label you a pussy it seems that you didn't run in the face of danger and you still did your job. I do my job despite having been threatened. It's what we're supposed to do. Put on our vest and gun belt and the fucking beat goes on.

This guy quit when things got hairy. Pussy in my book and he just gave those perps a HUGE win and don't be surprised to see more of this shit happening and you'll have him to thank.

 

[pawprint2]

Pawprint. The difference is that the reservists were to put their life on the line. No one suggested that their loved ones were going to be sought out and killed. The minute the Texas DA's wife died the game changed for every prosecutor handling high profile, ultra violent criminal groups. We all got threats, most of them laughable but, until now, family was off limits. These groups are learning alot just watching Mexico.
I don't know why the AUSA's reason for resignation was made public. Most of these guys are very good lawyers. All he most likely had to do was to make a few phone calls to a couple of the big Houston law firms and then send a letter of resignation citing the much higher salary and the need to support his family. The publication of his reasons for leaving certainly doesn't serve law enforcement well but the decision he made doesn't make him a coward or a pussy.

Actually I think you are wrong, very wrong. Our Military keeps our families from harm, all our families, yours, mine and even the family of the coward that quit his job when it got tough. My guess is you don't know to much about modern wars, if you did, you would realize how many civilians are killed. Our military keeps that from happening here. To insinuate that the reservist, or any other member of our armed forces isn't demonstrating courage and loyalty by reporting for combat duty, or that their efforts don't keep their families and everyone elses family safe is insulting to all that wear or has ever worn the uniform with honor. You're putting lipstick on a pig, being a coward is being a coward. How much money he can make, or can't make, is of little importance, you're assertion that he should have lied and said he needed to make more money..... is something I'd expect from a lawyer. It is a shame that your profession is so far left, and spends so much time figuring out how to not tell the truth, that you can't see the facts for what they are, but rather how you would have put a spin on it, to keep the facts from being known.
Ameicans are entitled to a Clean Justice System, once again, if every prosecutor was as big a wuuussseeee as this guy, America would not have a justice system at all -in a very short amount of time.

 

[Phil1]

So you're saying its ok to cut and run if your family is threatened. I call BULLSHIT. That's no way to run a country. Bad guys threaten you, quit, bad guys win.



I say it does. Been there, could have quit but nope, put my family in hiding until we caught the guy who was gonna blow up my house. ( That incident is what go me into EOD).

This crap is just saying "all evil had to do to prevail is to threaten the peace keepers"..................Sorry, I wont live like that.

Have to agree with this^^

Yet today on CNN there is a Defense Lawyer for an Ayrian Nation punk. According to this lawyer "Its certainly understandable for a prosecutor to quit to protect his family because of who they are trying to prosecute."

Sounds like a direct threat to me.

 

[sidewaysil80]

You know, it may not be as black and white as we think. For all we know there may have been direct threats to his wife/kids. While some say "fuck it, put them in hiding". I may disagree and see where the prosecutor was coming from. Especially if it's a group not one person so you have to constantly be looking over your shoulder and family has to live in fear. Especially if the bad guys are actually making good on their threats and it's not idle shit talking. Fuck that, if I'm in danger no problem, I'm a big boy and know what I signed up for, however my wife and little girls come first before my job and pride. If that makes me a pussy or a coward...so be it. It's easy to sit here and pass judgement when your colleagues and their families aren't being systematically murdered.

 

[okrebel92]

when has any threat to the ruling elite resulted in more freedom for the common man?

the american revolution-1776.

boom!!!!!!

 

[pawprint2]

You know, it may not be as black and white as we think. For all we know there may have been direct threats to his wife/kids. While some say "fuck it, put them in hiding". I may disagree and see where the prosecutor was coming from. Especially if it's a group not one person so you have to constantly be looking over your shoulder and family has to live in fear. Especially if the bad guys are actually making good on their threats and it's not idle shit talking. Fuck that, if I'm in danger no problem, I'm a big boy and know what I signed up for, however my wife and little girls come first before my job and pride. If that makes me a pussy or a coward...so be it. It's easy to sit here and pass judgement when your colleagues and their families aren't being systematically murdered.

You knew the risks when you took the job, you took the pay, you loved the "special parking space" at the court house etc., but then the day the balloon went up, you quit. As you said,"I'm a big boy and know what I signed up for". Either you knew what you signed up for, or you didn't, if you did and quit when the going got tough, then yes indeed you are a pussy and a coward. I can only guess what guys like you would be squeeling if a criminal harmed a member of your family, then prior to the trial the judge and the prosecutor quit, and it kept happening until the criminal was able to walk free, why? He was being denied the right to a speedy trial. I'm going out on a limb here, but I believe you would be the biggest trash talking fool on the board. Quit when the going gets tough-does that make you a pussy and a coward? YES IT DOES. Thankfully, we have some prosecutors and judges that are not cowards-for if we did not-America would not have a justice system in very short order. What part of that are you having a problem understanding? Let me guess, it is someone elses job..... I'm sure during the American Revolution, you would have been standing on the side of the road watching real patriots march to meet the brits-there were weak sisters even then.

 

[LeagleII]

Paw, what should this guy do when his family is, now credibly, threatened with death?
Tell us what you would do, if you has a wife and 2 kids that, obviously, law enforcement can't protect.

 

[sidewaysil80]

You knew the risks when you took the job, you took the pay, you loved the "special parking space" at the court house etc., but then the day the balloon went up, you quit. As you said,"I'm a big boy and know what I signed up for". Either you knew what you signed up for, or you didn't, if you did and quit when the going got tough, then yes indeed you are a pussy and a coward. I can only guess what guys like you would be squeeling if a criminal harmed a member of your family, then prior to the trial the judge and the prosecutor quit, and it kept happening until the criminal was able to walk free, why? He was being denied the right to a speedy trial. I'm going out on a limb here, but I believe you would be the biggest trash talking fool on the board. Quit when the going gets tough-does that make you a pussy and a coward? YES IT DOES. Thankfully, we have some prosecutors and judges that are not cowards-for if we did not-America would not have a justice system in very short order. What part of that are you having a problem understanding? Let me guess, it is someone elses job..... I'm sure during the American Revolution, you would have been standing on the side of the road watching real patriots march to meet the brits-there were weak sisters even then.

Wow, I'm glad I'm dealing with someone mature enough to have a conversation without resorting to sweeping generalizations and insults. Like I said, if my wife and kids were in danger it's my responsibility to protect them and takes precedence over my job. There is a difference between threats with no substance or opportunity in which I would shrug off, vice threats that are resulting in my colleagues and their spouses being killed. I care more about my kids safety then pawprint2 calling me a pussy and coward in capitol letters on an internet forum. I'm not sure how my posts give you the impression that I would be or am a "trash talking fool" or a bystander during the American Revolution (grasping for anything huh).

Btw, you can claim this never waiver and billy bad ass duty first shit, but until guys and their families start getting bumped off from your department and your family is next in line...who REALLY knows what would go down.

 

[pawprint2]

Paw, what should this guy do when his family is, now credibly, threatened with death?

I have far more faith in Fed LE's ability to protect someone or a family than you. To answer you question (and not put a spin on it as you suggested the coward should have done), he should do his job, allow the Fed LE to protect his family. We reap what we sew, should every prosecutor and judge now quit because of 'now credible' threat? I hope your answer is no, if yes, please move to Mexico. In the old days, when I was in Germany, we thought the soviets would be coming through falda gap, if they [the soviets] had dropped troops behind the lines, should every soldier with a family on base, or on the economy deserted and gone home? That would have been a credible threat, if there ever was one. My answer is no, your answer seems to be, you duty isn't that important, your word and your integrity are not really that important, as long as you say "I thought my family may be at risk". By failing to prosecute these criminals, aren't other peoples families at risk? The average guy was never paid to prosecute criminals-the wuusseee that took his pay check every month, for years on end, quit the day the heat got turned up, is so much like the guy that deserts his post when shit happens. Your earlier post, where you stated the wuss should have lied, and made some statement about finding a better job etc. is typical of left wing, Anti-American-ACLU types, never tell the truth, when a lie will serve you better,sadly this has become standard in America's law schools! You have refused to address the simple question (your way of putting a lying spin on things), Should Every Judge and Prosecutor quit, because there is a threat? One more question, Are most prosecutors so stupid that they do not realize there is a threat to them and their families via prosecuting criminals? My guess is, some are not that stupid, some do realize it, it's up to the handful of the smart ones to get the word out to the 99%.

 

[pawprint2]

Wow, I'm glad I'm dealing with someone mature enough to have a conversation without resorting to sweeping generalizations and insults. Like I said, if my wife and kids were in danger it's my responsibility to protect them and takes precedence over my job. There is a difference between threats with no substance or opportunity in which I would shrug off, vice threats that are resulting in my colleagues and their spouses being killed. I care more about my kids safety then pawprint2 calling me a pussy and coward in capitol letters on an internet forum. I'm not sure how my posts give you the impression that I would be or am a "trash talking fool" or a bystander during the American Revolution (grasping for anything huh).

Btw, you can claim this never waiver and billy bad ass duty first shit, but until guys and their families start getting bumped off from your department and your family is next in line...who REALLY knows what would go down.

I'm glad I'm dealing with someone slimy enough to refuse to answer the simple question, Should every prosecutor and judge quit? Once again, you have zero faith in our Fed LE to protect anyone, sounds like cowardice to me, I think the Fed LE can and does protect people from criminals-and does so all the time.
When he took the job, he knew the risks, he only quit when the threat became (more) real-he knew in advance. He wasn't a school teacher-that had no expectation of having to deal with criminals as part of their job, he was a prosecutor!!! He should return all the money he made on the back of Tax Payers as he took it under false pretence.

 

[TheTick]

FUCK YOU Slapshot!!!! Tough guy, you strap on your gun and patrol the streets everyday and put YOUR life on the line. You don't put your families life on the line. I've been there and done that. Nearly 30 years ago I was prosecuting the leader of a drug gang that killed two members of his own gang because they didn't get permission before they killed two other people. We got a phone call, from a California Parole Officer, who reported that one of his parolees had got wind of a contract on me/ my family and the chief investigating officer. (This was Delaware and the information came out of California who the hell knows who had heard the offer) The Parole Officer started out by asking my name and then saying "Do you have an infant daughter?" In fact my first daughter was 7 months old at the time. The contract was to kidnap my daughter and to kill my wife if she put up too great a fight. The ransom was for me to drop the charges and announce that it was for lack of evidence. I had to move my wife and daughter out of state under police guard, (I missed my wife's first Mother's Day) The Col. of the Delaware State Po;ice ordered a 24 hour around the clock guard on me. (turns out the backup plan was to kill me and the chief investigating officer). The defendant got a visit and a warning. After two weeks of two officers a night living in my living room I called the Col. and told him "thanks but no thanks. I'm armed and I'll be ok) Took two months before I moved my family home. I'll never forget my wife's voice when I called and told her she had to lock the doors and get out one of my guns. I'll never forget the terror on her face when I got home (the cops got there before I did).
Now I don't know how you or your department interacts with the prosecutors but I went to every homicide scene, I wrote search warrants and on occasion went out when the warrants were executed. I knew every cop in this county by their first name, I knew most of their wives and girlfriends (sometimes both at the same time) My daughter's God father was a cop. I was law enforcement. In 9 1/2 years I lost exactly one jury trial and when I left the Department of Justice I was told that I had prosecuted more homicides than any one else at the Department. My last year as a prosecutor every detective in my county, with overtime, made more money than I did. It is what I chose to do for myself but I didn't sign my family up for that shit. I thought about walking away when my family was threatened but I had a place I could hide them. 30 years later with the internet and other technology there is no where that anyone can hide anywhere.
I understand the AUSA cited family concerns for his decision.
Big man, you made the decision for yourself, but you didn't make it for your family. SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Btw, I convicted the bastard and he is still alive doing 2 consecutive life w/o paroles

You being from Delaware and all means that you should know better than to say that the street cops' families aren't being threatened. You are aware of the OMG activities in PA and Delmarva areas right?

Also, DO YOU HAVE 2 ACCOUNTS ON THIS SITE?

 

[sidewaysil80]

Should Every Judge and Prosecutor quit, because there is a threat?

Because of a threat NO, but when their colleagues and families are being killed well that's more serious then a threat. I would expect each Judge and prosecutor to weigh their options and determine if their family would be safe. If it is determined that they cannot be reasonably protected, then I would not blame them for switching cases.

One more question, Are most prosecutors so stupid that they do not realize there is a threat to them and their families via prosecuting criminals?

Obviously pawprint they know there is a threat. I'm not sure if you realize this but their are different threat levels. Just because they are criminal prosecutors does not mean they have to become callous beings with no emotion and no family ties. Perhaps we should only allow prosecutors to sign up if they have no family and take a vow of celibacy so their personal lives will NEVER be a concern. Is that what you are going for?


Why is it so hard for your to understand that sometimes the risk becomes greater then what was anticipated...or here's one, the risk now becomes a reality involving your family. You must have been in a situation EXACTLY like this because someone who is so opinionated and talks so much shit must have been there and done that. I really hope your story about a military base and some political tension wasn't what you are comparing this to.

 

[pawprint2]

"then I would not blame them for switching cases", with who? Who should they switch cases with? As in your question you have already stated, "if it is determined that they cannot be reasonably protected". That is the key to this entire deal, you and the quitting coward, have determined that the entire Fed LE can not protect one family, what is this based on? Are you saying the entire Fed LE apparatus is actually crappy, and not up to the task?
"obviously pawprint they know there is a threat", if that is the case then when the threat level moved up (remember they knew about it-prior to taking the job) and they quit, it does seem like they have been taking money under false pretence. The only people that should take a vow of celibacy are those people giving birth to these cowards, we have more than we need.
"Why is it so hard for your to understand that sometimes the risk becomes greater then what was anticipated", not hard for me to understand at all. If this is the new standard, then hey Firemen should be allowed to refuse to answer calls if they say "that fire was bigger than I anticipated", cops, refuse to respond to a crime, as long as they say, "those criminals are real bad asses, I didn't anticipate that when I became a cop" and not have any problem with the job. When reservists are called up and refuse to go, because they never really anticipated it, should this be okay? I'm pretty sure you don't think every judge and prosecutor should quit because of a threat from a prison gang, if you do please move to Mexico, too. Once again, who should this guy have passed this task off to? Then the guy that gets it, he passes it off etc. etc. Our Criminal Justice system could easily fall apart in a month, no more judges, no more prosecutors because of a prison gangs threats! Or are you saying he should pass the case off to someone with a set of balls, someone that will do his job?

 

[TheTick]

Because of a threat NO, but when their colleagues and families are being killed well that's more serious then a threat. I would expect each Judge and prosecutor to weigh their options and determine if their family would be safe. If it is determined that they cannot be reasonably protected, then I would not blame them for switching cases.


Obviously pawprint they know there is a threat. I'm not sure if you realize this but their are different threat levels. Just because they are criminal prosecutors does not mean they have to become callous beings with no emotion and no family ties. Perhaps we should only allow prosecutors to sign up if they have no family and take a vow of celibacy so their personal lives will NEVER be a concern. Is that what you are going for?


Why is it so hard for your to understand that sometimes the risk becomes greater then what was anticipated...or here's one, the risk now becomes a reality involving your family. You must have been in a situation EXACTLY like this because someone who is so opinionated and talks so much shit must have been there and done that. I really hope your story about a military base and some political tension wasn't what you are comparing this to.

We've been dealing with this in my area for years from the Pagans, Warlocks, and The Breed: Real world credible threats to harm us and our families.

Want to know what happens? Well, to paraphrase the oh-so eloquent Hatebreed: "Even a nothing threat deserves a response they won't soon forget".

 

[pawprint2]

TheTick has a set, God Bless him. It looks like the lawyers on this board, are really saying, "People like us, you know the super people, those of us that are members of the bar, shouldn't be subjected nor should Our family be subjected to any threats etc., that's for the lesser people to deal with". In their minds, all men are not created equal, lawyers are special and should not do the job they are paid to do, if it gets tough. And as legalII put it, he should have lied (something most lawyers are good at) and said he was quitting because he wanted more money...., telling the truth was stupid as far as he [legalII] was concerned. Not only does the legal profession like cowards, but even go as far as to chastise one of their own for Not Lying!!!!!

 

[sidewaysil80]

As in your question you have already stated, "if it is determined that they cannot be reasonably protected". That is the key to this entire deal, you and the quitting coward, have determined that the entire Fed LE can not protect one family, what is this based on?

I haven't determined shit, I CLEARLY said IF, IF it was determined...which means if for some reason they couldn't get federal protection or they weren't given significant coverage I wouldn't fault him for making that decision. That's based on me not being able to predict what I would do because I haven't been faced with that situation and can't recall. All of my life threatening situations were in other countries with my family safe and sound back in America.

if that is the case then when the threat level moved up (remember they knew about it-prior to taking the job) and they quit, it does seem like they have been taking money under false pretence.

Yes assuming they never prosecuted anyone else during their tenure or made zero progress on the case while they were working it. Which both are unlikely, but hey if you feel they need to pay back their salary that's the least flawed of your assumptions and thought process.

not hard for me to understand at all. If this is the new standard, then hey Firemen should be allowed to refuse to answer calls if they say "that fire was bigger than I anticipated", cops, refuse to respond to a crime, as long as they say, "those criminals are real bad asses, I didn't anticipate that when I became a cop" and When reservists are called up and refuse to go, because they never really anticipated it, should this be okay?

Yes it's very hard for you to understand. You're comparing large fires and criminals to assassinations of colleagues. Those professions know the risks and deal with them everyday. A prosecutor may get threats often, but it's very rare they are acted on or assassinated like here.

I'm pretty sure you don't think every judge and prosecutor should quit because of a threat from a prison gang,

Either your senile or your do, because clearly I have stated I don't and THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRISON GANG THREAT AND THAT THREAT KILLING YOUR COLLEAGUES AND THEIR SPOUSES.

if you do please move to Mexico

Is that your answer? Anyone who disagrees who doesn't see eye to eye with you should move out of the country? You sound like a facist, true colors are starting to come out? So Freedom of Speech is null and void so long as the mighty paprint2 doesn't like what you have to say.



Are you ignoring my question? Have you been in a situation where your colleagues were being hunted and killed systematically? How silly of me to ask, surely someone who is so opinionated and is so brazen must have been there and done that. I really hope your story about a military base and some political tension wasn't what you are comparing this to.

 

[LeagleII]

Yes Tick I am aware of the Outlaws. When I was a prosecutor the Pagans were the problem. I am not aware of any member of a law enforcement officer's family being injured or murdered by the Outlaws here on Delmarva.
If it is any of your business, I had an account under the name "leagle". I screwed it up in move to the new format. I reported it and have used leagleII because the new program won't let me use "leagle" anymore.

 

[kraigWY]

IF it was determined...which means if for some reason they couldn't get federal protection or they weren't given significant coverage I wouldn't fault him for making that decision.

Screw that, I've worked with the feds before, no thinks.

If my family needs protected, I'll take care of it, done it before and I'll do it again.

 

[TheTick]

I haven't determined shit, I CLEARLY said IF, IF it was determined...which means if for some reason they couldn't get federal protection or they weren't given significant coverage I wouldn't fault him for making that decision. That's based on me not being able to predict what I would do because I haven't been faced with that situation and can't recall. All of my life threatening situations were in other countries with my family safe and sound back in America.


Yes assuming they never prosecuted anyone else during their tenure or made zero progress on the case while they were working it. Which both are unlikely, but hey if you feel they need to pay back their salary that's the least flawed of your assumptions and thought process.


Yes it's very hard for you to understand. You're comparing large fires and criminals to assassinations of colleagues. Those professions know the risks and deal with them everyday. A prosecutor may get threats often, but it's very rare they are acted on or assassinated like here.


Either your senile or your do, because clearly I have stated I don't and THEIR IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRISON GANG THREAT AND THAT THREAT KILLING YOUR COLLEAGUES AND THEIR SPOUSES.


Is that your answer? Anyone who disagrees who doesn't see eye to eye with you should move out of the country? You sound like a facist, true colors are starting to come out? So Freedom of Speech is null and void so long as the mighty paprint2 doesn't like what you have to say.



Are you ignoring my question? Have you been in a situation where your colleagues were being hunted and killed systematically? How silly of me to ask, surely someone who is so opinionated and is so brazen must have been there and done that. I really hope your story about a military base and some political tension wasn't what you are comparing this to.

I have received viable threats to my family due to arrests/ prosecutions I've made along with the OMGs just basically saying that they are looking to do any of us or our families for stuff we're not even involved in. Coincidently, we just received an Intelligence Bulletin that the OMGs have a real hard on for us right now.

Fuck them. They don't get to win because they threaten us and our families, they get to be crushed because of it. It's the cliched saying, "Then the terrorists win". If any member of the LE community, as I consider Prosecutors to be, breaks because of it, then they are only emboldened. The only thing to do is slam the pedal to the floor and broadside them. At least in these parts, they know exactly what will happen if they touch anyone's wife and kids and we'll just have to leave it at that.

 

[TheTick]

Yes Tick I am aware of the Outlaws. When I was a prosecutor the Pagans were the problem. I am not aware of any member of a law enforcement officer's family being injured or murdered by the Outlaws here on Delmarva.
If it is any of your business, I had an account under the name "leagle". I screwed it up in move to the new format. I reported it and have used leagleII because the new program won't let me use "leagle" anymore.

The reason why you haven't heard of LE families being injured or murdered in Delmarva is because the message is clear and concise. The OMGs know that if they step out of bounds, they are going to get decimated. They are not the baddest gang. The ones that have tried have been steamrolled. The Fed attorney walking away shows that if they persist and do outrageous shit, then they can see the desired results.

Thank you for clearing up the account thing. It just seemed odd.

 

[sidewaysil80]

I have received viable threats to my family due to arrests/ prosecutions I've made along with the OMGs just basically saying that they are looking to do any of us or our families for stuff we're not even involved in. Coincidently, we just received an Intelligence Bulletin that the OMGs have a real hard on for us right now.

Fuck them. They don't get to win because they threaten us and our families, they get to be crushed because of it. It's the cliched saying, "Then the terrorists win". If any member of the LE community, as I consider Prosecutors to be, breaks because of it, then they are only emboldened. The only thing to do is slam the pedal to the floor and broadside them. At least in these parts, they know exactly what will happen if they touch anyone's wife and kids and we'll just have to leave it at that.

While I appreciate your input I feel your missing my point. This is unprecedented, they actually followed through with their threats and actually killed prosecutors and their spouses. All I'm saying is it's a game changer and I can understand the decision of pulling chocks so his wife and kids don't end up dead like his predecessors.

My issue comes from monday morning quarterbacks (not you) beating their chest and calling the guy a pussy and coward, meanwhile they haven't been in that situation.

The reason why you haven't heard of LE families being injured or murdered in Delmarva is because the message is clear and concise. The OMGs know that if they step out of bounds, they are going to get decimated. They are not the baddest gang. The ones that have tried have been steamrolled. The Fed attorney walking away shows that if they persist and do outrageous shit, then they can see the desired results.

Thank you for clearing up the account thing. It just seemed odd.

Can you seriously fault him knowing that for the first time the organization in his area DID get out of line and DID kill leo's and their families. I mean seriously, he didn't walk away because of a threat, he walked away because colleagues were being killed. Imagine the guilt of sticking around your wife/kids get murdered...one can say it's unlikely and it's a scare tactic, I say bullshit, tell that to the other two prosecutors who were working with him.

 

[Phil1]

Fuck them. They don't get to win because they threaten us and our families, they get to be crushed because of it. It's the cliched saying, "Then the terrorists win". If any member of the LE community, as I consider Prosecutors to be, breaks because of it, then they are only emboldened. The only thing to do is slam the pedal to the floor and broadside them. At least in these parts, they know exactly what will happen if they touch anyone's wife and kids and we'll just have to leave it at that.

^^^^^^^
THIS!

To have a prosecutor quit is like a cop failing to answer a call because there is gunfire reported at the call. The prosecutor, the judge and the cops see the victims of crime. To reward criminals by looking the other way, refusing to do your part to hold them to account is reprehensible.

 

[LeagleII]

Guys, I stood my ground in the face of a credible threat. Several in fact, but only one direct threat against my family. The difference here is that the DA's wife is dead. Other than the ex cop Dorner in LA recently, I can't think of another case where the family member of a law enforcement officer, prosecutor or judge has been targeted in a retaliatory assassination. I'd like to think that I would have stayed and found a way to protect my family but I'm not going to condemn this AUSA for not gambling on federal law enforcement's ability to keep his family safe.

 

[Phil1]

While I appreciate your input I feel your missing my point. This is unprecedented, they actually followed through with their threats and actually killed prosecutors and their spouses. All I'm saying is it's a game changer and I can understand the decision of pulling chocks so his wife and kids don't end up dead like his predecessors.

My issue comes from monday morning quarterbacks (not you) beating their chest and calling the guy a pussy and coward, meanwhile they haven't been in that situation.




Can you seriously fault him knowing that for the first time the organization in his area DID get out of line and DID kill leo's and their families. I mean seriously, he didn't walk away because of a threat, he walked away because colleagues were being killed. Imagine the guilt of sticking around your wife/kids get murdered...one can say it's unlikely and it's a scare tactic, I say bullshit, tell that to the other two prosecutors who were working with him.

I'll start by defending politicians.

Many receive death threats almost on a daily basis. Yet there seems to be a lot of them around. Judges rule on the cases. Judges define the sentence. I haven't heard of one of them failing to take a case because the criminal is just too connected with other criminals.

I have no complaint with you personally as you clearly want to protect your family. But a prosecutor knows that there are tough criminals to deal with.

 

[sidewaysil80]

^^^^^^^
THIS!

To have a prosecutor quit is like a cop failing to answer a call because there is gunfire reported at the call. The prosecutor, the judge and the cops see the victims of crime. To reward criminals by looking the other way, refusing to do your part to hold them to account is reprehensible.

I don't think it's the same at all. There families are going with them on that call and aren't placed in direct danger. You really think most cops would show up to a shoot out with their wife and kids in the car? That's the only way I see it as an equal analogy. Two of his colleagues and there family were killed over this case and he was in the crosshairs, LITERALLY. While I agree that this leads to an unfavorable result, I can't say I blame the guy and would hate to be in that position. Deployments are one thing but when your family is vulnerable it's a whole different ballgame, especially when they are actually in direct danger not just idle threats.

 

[sidewaysil80]

I'll start by defending politicians.

Many receive death threats almost on a daily basis. Yet there seems to be a lot of them around. Judges rule on the cases. Judges define the sentence. I haven't heard of one of them failing to take a case because the criminal is just too connected with other criminals.

I have no complaint with you personally as you clearly want to protect your family. But a prosecutor knows that there are tough criminals to deal with.

While they may receive those threats, much like yourself and colleagues...how many of their families are dead as a result (god forbid if any I don't mean that in a dishonorable way). But seriously, yes that thought is always in the back of your mind, but his coworkers and their wives were killed, how can people condemn him for deciding his family was more important than a case that would almost guarantee him/them dead?

 

[sidewaysil80]

I'm not going to condemn this AUSA for not gambling on federal law enforcement's ability to keep his family safe.

You summed up my ENTIRE argument in this one sentence. I'm not saying his actions are positive in anyway, I'm just saying I can't blame him for reaching that decision.

 

[Phil1]

While they may receive those threats, much like yourself and colleagues...how many of their families are dead as a result (god forbid if any I don't mean that in a dishonorable way). But seriously, yes that thought is always in the back of your mind, but his coworkers and their wives were killed, how can people condemn him for deciding his family was more important than a case that would almost guarantee him/them dead?

OK , not saying that i totally accept your argument.

But does the fact that this prosecutor quit not directly encourage criminal gangs to make more threats against Justice personnel?

Not encourage more attacks because they have seen direct positive results from those attacks and/or threats?

 

[TheTick]

While I appreciate your input I feel your missing my point. This is unprecedented, they actually followed through with their threats and actually killed prosecutors and their spouses. All I'm saying is it's a game changer and I can understand the decision of pulling chocks so his wife and kids don't end up dead like his predecessors.

My issue comes from monday morning quarterbacks (not you) beating their chest and calling the guy a pussy and coward, meanwhile they haven't been in that situation.




Can you seriously fault him knowing that for the first time the organization in his area DID get out of line and DID kill leo's and their families. I mean seriously, he didn't walk away because of a threat, he walked away because colleagues were being killed. Imagine the guilt of sticking around your wife/kids get murdered...one can say it's unlikely and it's a scare tactic, I say bullshit, tell that to the other two prosecutors who were working with him.

Part of the "blame" lies with his agency not making him feel that his family was safe. We take care of our own. If someone's family got dropped, then everyone else would not have to fear for their family's safety as we would rally the wagons and then send out the posse. It appears that did not occur in this case and I don't "blame" him for leaving, but I certainly don't agree with it. They are failing their brother by making him feel that his family is not safe.

 

[sidewaysil80]

OK , not saying that i totally accept your argument.

But does the fact that this prosecutor quit not directly encourage criminal gangs to make more threats against Justice personnel?

Not encourage more attacks because they have seen direct positive results from those attacks and/or threats?

Of course it does, I'm in no way saying it doesn't NOR saying that this is in anyway a good thing. All I'm saying is I cannot blame the guy for protecting his family, had these been petty threats...by all means I would be lighting my torch and handing you a pitchfork. But the fact that his colleagues and family have already been killed, I simply cannot blame him for resigning. Clearly it's an unfavorable situation...but calling him a pussy and a coward is unwarranted and not fair.

Part of the "blame" lies with his agency not making him feel that his family was safe. We take care of our own. If someone's family got dropped, then everyone else would not have to fear for their family's safety as we would rally the wagons and then send out the posse. It appears that did not occur in this case and I don't "blame" him for leaving, but I certainly don't agree with it. They are failing their brother by making him feel that his family is not safe.

That's all I'm saying, I can't blame him for it and it's not ideal...however given the situation it's understandable. I mean it's not like this happened once or it happened on duty...this happened at their homes, family members dead too, and it happened twice! Unless I had a pretty good god damn feeling that my family was protected in light of the incidents I more then likely would may make the same call.

Now that is cleared up I have a question, I don't expect an in depth answer due to potential opsec. But in situations like this, does the department or agency immediately send out protective details around the clock or is it a lengthy process that has to get approved and funded. I understand how the whole w.p.p. works but don't understand how it works for active leo's and their families during ongoing cases.

 

[LeagleII]

Tick, I agree that it sends a terrible message and if he is stepping away he needs to step entirely away. He can't withdraw and stay in the US Attorney's office to do other things. I have been vilified for suggesting that the office should have announced that he is leaving and that he is going into private practice for an opportunity to better provide for his family. That suggestion was not made to give the AUSA "cover" but rather to not encourage the bad guys.

 

[pawprint2]

The legal wuuuseees are very fond of "legal precedence", they like to use this when ever it helps make their case. A new precedent was just established and is being defended by members of the same ACLU loving crowd. If a prison gang threatens you or your family, quit your job. Pass the case to someone with some integrity, and a set of balls. Do not rely upon the entire Fed LE machine to be able to protect you or your family, the prison gangs are smarter and better trained, better equiped, and better paid than the Fed LE agents, therefore; it is reasonable to quit.
Now let's look at what is likely to happen, prison gangs and/or criminal street gangs will now see how to handle their business. They won't go after the local cops as much as they have been in the past, but rather the cowardly lawyers-the prosecutors, maybe even some judges. If they want to be real effective, they'll just go after prosecutors/judges family. LegalII is now putting forth, that his suggestion to lie about the coward's reason for quitting was to keep criminals from being emboldened, how do we know this isn't a lie? One one hand he is suggest the fellow ACLU member lawyer should have lied, then when I pointed out- that this is the type of thing we have all come to expect from lawyers, he changes his story. I wonder if there is anything he actually believes in-that for the right fee, he wouldn't change his mind? If all the prosecutors quit along with all the judges when they recieved threats America would not have a justice system in very short order, if anyone thinks this is a good way to run a justice system, go to Mexico, you'll be happier there.

 

[sidewaysil80]

The legal wuuuseees are very fond of "legal precedence", they like to use this when ever it helps make their case. A new precedent was just established and is being defended by members of the same ACLU loving crowd. If a prison gang threatens you or your family, quit your job. Pass the case to someone with some integrity, and a set of balls. Do not rely upon the entire Fed LE machine to be able to protect you or your family, the prison gangs are smarter and better trained, better equiped, and better paid than the Fed LE agents, therefore; it is reasonable to quit.
Now let's look at what is likely to happen, prison gangs and/or criminal street gangs will now see how to handle their business. They won't go after the local cops as much as they have been in the past, but rather the cowardly lawyers-the prosecutors, maybe even some judges. If they want to be real effective, they'll just go after prosecutors/judges family. LegalII suggests that he suggestion to lie about the coward's reason for quitting was to keep criminals from being emboldened, how do we know this isn't a lie? One one hand he is suggest the fellow ACLU member lawyer should have lied, then when I pointed out-this is the type of thing we have all come to expect from lawyers, he changes his story. I wonder if there is anything he actually believes in-that for the right fee, he wouldn't change his mind? If all the prosecutors quit along with all the judges when they recieved threats America would not have a justice system in very short order, if anyone thinks this is a good way to run a justice system, go to Mexico, you'll be happier there.

For the third time...

Are you ignoring my question? Have you been in a situation where your colleagues were being hunted and killed systematically? How silly of me to ask, surely someone who is so opinionated and is so brazen must have been there and done that. I really hope your story about a military base and some political tension wasn't what you are comparing this to.


Furthermore, instead of telling others to leave the country...why don't you? You clearly do not understand nor appreciate how certain freedoms in this country work. You sit on high horse playing monday morning quarterback to a situation you have no validity to speak of. You call other cowards and pussies when in reality they may have done things to quite the contrary. You have no respect for others and even though youre a 60 year old man you behave and act like a teenager. Your the status quo for the typical far right whacko, however your views are more communist then anything else. Youre no worse then leftist liberals when it comes to acknowledging and responding to logic and levelheadedness.

 

[pawprint2]

Not only are you an idiot, but i'd be happy to meet you face to face, Memphis Tennessee, so we can discuss this 60 year old mans being a lefist liberal. Let me know.
Why are you ignoring my question? What would happen to our justice system if every prosecutor and judge was as big a coward as this guy (who had federal marshals protecting him BTW). Now in Mexico their justice system (if you can call it that) knows all to well what happens, I have no intention to leave the U.S., I like our justice system, I am thankful that we have judges and prosecutors and cops that don't quit when things get tough, however; as you seem to think it is okay, I do again suggest, go to mexico, you'll be happier there. I on the otherhand will continue to be happy with a justice system that doesn't quit, run, or hide, thank God for our Cops/Judges/prosecutors that stand their ground, if they were all like the coward in question, we would not have a justice system in very short order. Again, what would happen to our justice system if everyone was as big a wuss as this guy? How long would it last, how long would it take before it looked just like Mexico's. And how long do you think it will take before other gangs start doing the same thing? They now know it works. Please help us understand, I am not an expert as you seem to be regarding our Fed LE, are they really that bad? If I am wrong, please let me know, you seem to be under the impression that our Fed LE counldn't protect this prosecutor or his family-are they all just a bunch of cowardly slackers? Please help me out, if in fact you have knowledge regarding the stupid-slow-cowardly slackers that make up our Fed LE, post it, maybe you can change my mind, I always thought they were pretty good, but then again, I never thought a prosecutor, being protected by U.S. Marshals would quit his job -because he didn't feel the Fed LE could protect him or his family.

 

[sidewaysil80]

Not only are you an idiot, but i'd be happy to meet you face to face, Memphis Tennessee, so we can discuss this 60 year old mans being a lefist liberal. Let me know.
Why are you ignoring my question? What would happen to our justice system if every prosecutor and judge was as big a coward as this guy (who had federal marshals protecting him BTW). Now in Mexico their justice system (if you can call it that) knows all to well what happens, I have no intention to leave the U.S., I like our justice system, I am thankful that we have judges and prosecutors and cops that don't quit when things get tough, however; as you seem to think it is okay, I do again suggest, go to mexico, you'll be happier there. I on the otherhand will continue to be happy with a justice system that doesn't quit, run, or hide, thank God for our Cops/Judges/prosecutors that stand their ground, if they were all like the coward in question, we would not have a justice system in very short order. Again, what would happen to our justice system if everyone was as big a wuss as this guy? How long would it last, how long would it take before it looked just like Mexico's. And how long do you think it will take before other gangs start doing the same thing? They now know it works. Please help us understand, I am not an expert as you seem to be regarding our Fed LE, are they really that bad? If I am wrong, please let me know, you seem to be under the impression that our Fed LE counldn't protect this prosecutor or his family-are they all just a bunch of cowardly slackers? Please help me out, if in fact you have knowledge regarding the stupid-slow-cowardly slackers that make up our Fed LE, post it, maybe you can change my mind, I always thought they were pretty good, but then again, I never thought a prosecutor, being protected by U.S. Marshals would quit his job -because he didn't feel the Fed LE could protect him or his family.

hey pawprint2 I answered your questions in post 25, hell, you even responded to my answers. Now can you stop acting like a typical liberal and dodging my questions and trying to turn this around. Your like a giant baby throwing a temper tantrum, you just keep repeating the same monday morning quarterback rhetoric, with a little alex jones/limbaugh sprinkled on top, and finish with your EVER SO GOD DAMN ANNOYING FASCIST CLAIM TO DISMISS PEOPLE TO MEXICO. You have a big bark, now show us your bite, you claim to have all the answers and experience on the matter...please enlighten me how you have been in a situation like this. Please, tell me when your family was literally on deaths door and you chose to "man up" and chose your job over your wife and kids well being. And for your own sake please don't reference some bullshit "shaking in my boots" moment during a political standoff where no one came to harm.

Not only are you an idiot, but i'd be happy to meet you face to face, Memphis Tennessee, so we can discuss this 60 year old mans being a lefist liberal. Let me know.

You're absolutely pathetic.

 

[pawprint2]

Your and idiot! Your stupid "answer", post #25, was not an answer-it was typical of a fools response, anyone reading it can easily see you do not answer the question, you keep dodging the question with limpwristed bullshit, your answer, "Because of a threat NO, but when their colleagues and families are being killed well that's more serious then a threat. I would expect each Judge and prosecutor to weigh their options and determine if their family would be safe. If it is determined that they cannot be reasonably protected, then I would not blame them for switching cases

What a load of crap! "that's more serious then a threat", yes for those that were killed, but to the coward that quit, it is still a threat-a serious threat, but a threat nonetheless. How could Fed LE protect one family and not another? You just don't think much of our Fed LE, that's too bad.
The real question here is, if it were okay for this coward, do you think it would be okay for all the other prosecutors and judges to quit? this is a yes or no type question. And as usual an ACLU, anti gun, low life, will do anything to keep from answering the question in a clear manner-it sounds like you've gone to the barney frank school of straight talk!

 

[LeagleII]

Your estimation and respect for the prowess of Federal Law Enforcement certainly changed overnight

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...l-law-enforcement-fails-do-even-poor-job.html