Stainles LMT MWS accuracy reports?

[bm11]

I have been following a lot of the threads from when the MWS first came out. From what I read, the "chrome lined barrels shoot sub moa and the stainless barrels shoot better."

Quantitatively, how do they shoot? Can they average 3/4 moa for five 5-shot groups? Better?

I know when they came out they were the coolest thing. Then the OBR came out and it was the coolest thing. Then the GAP-10 came out and it was the coolest thing. Well, OBR's are 18 mos out and $5k on Gunbroker, and GAP-10's have at least a 6 month wait. MWS' trickle in and I may actually be able to snap one up.

Can I get some realistic ideas of what they will do from someone who has put one through its paces?

Thanks,

-Bob

 

[Sixfivesavage]

A good friend of mine has one with the stainless 5R. First day out it put 5 shots in a penny at a hundred with my hand loads I took out of my m1a. It was the standard loading for the 168 SMK. It routinely duplicates this, though not always since gas guns are heavily dependent upon good form of the shooter. We have run it out to 800 so far with good results. I for one never thought I would see a gas gun with the performance I have seen from it. Now I'm on the hunt for one as well.

 

[Shooter0311]

MWS accuracy

I have a 16ss, 18ss and 16cl (cutting and pinning/weld SF
Muzzlebrake now for the 16cl to 14.5).

I have the lm8mws and the mws original. Prolonged shooting;
I have seen a little more opening up of groups with the CL barrels.
Cold bore to sustained fire with the SS seem to just stay as tight
as I can shoot them. My 18 and 16ss will shoot between half and
3/4 moa very consistently with good ammo. BH match, FGMM, m118lr and
Mk316 mod 0. Very few times have I got much below 1/2 moa but they
are just tack drivers. My 16 CL is regularly from 3/4 to 1 moa and has
done better but not very consistently. I have seen a friends 13.5 CL and
Geissele trigger shoot 1/2 moa at 100 and moa at 500.

I wouldn't trade the LMT's for anything as I have seen and shot several with SS as
well as CL barrels. They were all accurate with good ammo and ran everything we
put through them. Surplus, MK 319 mod 0, various weights, etc.

I have a gap10 on order but where I see the use for my lm8mws/308mws is a battle
rifle capable of DMR work that will eat anything. I wouldn't hesitate to get one but let
me make 2 suggestions. 1.) geissele trigger (whatever model you want) 2.) a higher
quality torque wrench. I use the small Mariposa model that goes from 17 inch lbs to
140 inch lbs and have never had issues at all with bolts. By coincidence, using more
than 1 barrel/optic and switching back; I also found out removal and reinstallation of
the barrel and good QD optics was VERY repeatable. No need to re-zero.
Hope this comes out ok, not so good on the iPhone!

 

[bm11]

I read your post fine, thanks for taking the time.

I agree on the trigger. A friend just picked up a 16" chrome model we are going to go shoot on Thursday. He brought it over to install a surefire brake, and I fingered the trigger a bit. It definitely leaves something to be desired, especially when compared to a Geissele. Not the worst trigger I have ever felt but sub par if you are going to try to make a precision rifle out of it.

 

[elfster1234]

I'm sure the SS has an edge on the CL, but not by much. What really amazes me about the CL LMT, regardless of barrel length, is they are sub moa barrels that will last a longgggggg time and should be able to handle even the most harsh of enviroments. I'm just totally guessing on this, but I might have around 3k+ rounds thru my LMT and I haven't even put a dent into the barrel's lifespan. Hell, it is just getting broke in. I also think this is true about all semi-auto rifles (and prob more so with the LMT CL barrel) is there is a break in period from the very first round shot to about ~ 500 to ~ 750 rounds to really see tight groups form (that has been the case for all of my precision AR's)..... The LMT is prob one of the best SHTF / DMR 308 rifles on the market today IMO (one of the top 5).... Yes, I might get that once in a blue moon 3/8" 5shot group here and there, but I can consistently shoot 3/4" to 1" groups even with crappy factory American eagle 168 bthp match ammo. Kick in some 168gr amax reloads and you're in heaven. It is really about using the correct "form" when shooting a gas auto if you want to stay under sub moa & that really goes for any rifle brand.

PS. I would also like to upgrade my factory LMT trigger..... but so far it gets the job done. One of these days. Lately I've been too busy stocking up on reloading equipment and supplies. Now I just purchased a spotting scope! When does all the $$$ end!! Never! Must have more black rifles...... LOL

 

[Engine 22]

I just got a Geissele from Midway. One of these days I'll get it installed
Having not fired a shot from my 16" CL, all I can say is I hope to have the same results as all you.

 

[sbaird4000]

I think you should load up some .308 for this Thursday so we can see what this thing is really capable of. Or we can just shoot the cheap Walmart crap I bought because it was available.

 

[bm11]

I'm bringing handloads.

 

[bm11]

Well, I guess we'll find out. I just bought one.

 

[Shooter0311]

Awesome! I think you will really like it! Where'd you find one?
I think sixfivesavage is on the hunt as well!

Now pick up a geissele trigger and you will never look back!
I like the SD series but you really can't go wrong!

Congrats!

 

[bm11]

I paid a premium on Gunbroker. I found a 20" SS barreled LM8 model (the new slick side upper) and figured "screw it."

 

[sgj2025]

I paid a premium on Gunbroker. I found a 20" SS barreled LM8 model (the new slick side upper) and figured "screw it."

And I thought I was a gun whore, you are killing me!

 

[rjacobs]

This was a 5 shot group out of my 16" CL barrel at 100 yards. 155g Nosler something or others. Not even a really tuned up load when I was just playing with various things to see what the gun liked. In On-Target is was .4ish MOA. If a CL barrel can do this a stainless barrel should be able to AT LEAST do this and hopefully better. I have a 168g SMK and 175g SMK load now that does this(or better) when I do my part. I also agree with everybody else on the trigger being kinda crappy. Need to get a Giessele in it, but I have money to spend elsewhere on other projects at the moment.

 

[jonthomps]

I have a SS 16" with a Geissele trigger. Mine will shoot legit 3/4 moa 5-shot groups with 155gr amax TAP factory ammo. I've shot 1 moa groups at 345y with said ammo. They're the bee's knee's - get one!

 

[pmclaine]

I keep hearing that the MWS trigger is crappy. If you feel this way whatever you do dont try their single stage that comes in the CQB you will vomit.

I put a Giessele in the MWS and than recycled the MWS trigger into the CQB. I think the MWS trigger is alright for what I intend the CQB to do.

Maybe my dislike for the original CQB trigger is based on the fact it is single stage. Everything else I own is two stage. Others may feel differently.

 

[elfster1234]

nice bro, you're going to love it! she is a tank! also you didn't f#$k around with getting a best of the best! slick upper with 20" ss! nice! IMO, that is the absolute perfect set up 308 on the market today and you just can't get any better! once you get it, pics man! pics!

Well, I guess we'll find out. I just bought one.

 

[bm11]

I'll take some pics, group measurements, etc, once I get it and get it up and running. Wanted a 16" barrel but 20" was in stock and I guess I could cut it...

pmclaine- The trigger is pretty shitty. Today I shot a new 16" CL barrel MWS, and the trigger made it tough. I was able to wrestle past the creep, but it has no place in a "precision semi auto."

If mine is half as bad it's coming out.

 

[ralfabco]

Bob,

Congratulations.

 

[sbaird4000]

The factory MWS trigger made keeping shot groups in the moa to sub moa range rather difficult. Especially for myself who only has a few months experience on a KAC SR15. In comparison with the MWS trigger the KAC feels far more refined (IMO). Based on the type of shooting I do with each rifle it seems that a trigger swap between the two rifles would easily be merited. However, I like the KAC trigger so much that I hate to take it out and replace it with a trigger that feels so spongy to me. I've done quite a bit of reading since leaving the range today and think I have settled on a geissele ssa-e for the MWS. I like the fact that it has 2 stages, both of which are nice and lite which I like (2.3 lbs and 1.2 lbs if I recall correctly) with the second being very crisp from what I've read. I plan to primarily use the MWS as a precision AR while shooting mostly from prone. Does anyone have experience with a geissele ssa e (preferably in an MWS). What are your thoughts? Are there any other triggers I should consider given my intended use?

 

[jonthomps]

I keep hearing that the MWS trigger is crappy. If you feel this way whatever you do dont try their single stage that comes in the CQB you will vomit.

I put a Giessele in the MWS and than recycled the MWS trigger into the CQB. I think the MWS trigger is alright for what I intend the CQB to do.

Maybe my dislike for the original CQB trigger is based on the fact it is single stage. Everything else I own is two stage. Others may feel differently.

I agree. After shooting a Geissele, a factory 2-stage LMT trigger really does feel pretty crappy, lol.

 

[Flyfishit]

Love my ssa-e. IMO, it blows away the kac triggers in both my sr25's and one has their 3.5# spring. Would love to get a lmt, but due to recent legislation in CT. I don't think I can anymore. I can only get a upper to put on one of said sr25's which would be great if I could find one. It's to bad they don't sell them seperate.. If anyone knows of/has an upper, please let me know. I am in the market if one is available. First post for me on a thread, love the site everyone. Thanks

 

[Hogshooter]

I am running a SSA-E in my MWS. It makes a world of difference. You will not regret purchasing one and installing it !

 

[jonthomps]

Shot this group today with my LMT 16" SS in windy conditions (12-17mph). They're more than capable.

 

[stan462]

I will be installing a Timney in my rifle

 

[m1ajunkie]

I have been extremely happy with the accuracy from my SS 16" .308 barrel. My go to load is the 175 smk, it has no problem staying sub moa if I'm shooting half decent.

100yd groups:

675yds 5 rds:

I'm having a bit of a tough time finding 175smk projectiles right now so I've been doing some load experimenting. After today's range trip , the 168smk with 43.5gr of varget shows promise but still needs improving. If you do your part, you'll be amazed at the accuracy this autoloader can achieve. I have to admit though, I was very frustrated in the beginning though because I was not shooting well at all being new to large frame ar's.

 

[archad]

m1ajunkie what kind of velocity you get the 175 SMK in your 16" SS LMT?

 

[sbaird4000]

Thanks for the feedback everyone! Just what I was hoping to hear, SSA-E it is.

 

[m1ajunkie]

m1ajunkie what kind of velocity you get the 175 SMK in your 16" SS LMT?

With 43 gr of varget I'm getting right at 2440. Moving pretty slow but I'm satisfied with the results that I'm getting.