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Gunsmithing Savages keep Gunsmiths in business.

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Ever notice all the Savage firearms at the Gunsmith shops? After talking to different gunsmiths across the country, seems like
that Savage/Stevens/Springfield get repaired more than any other brand of firearms. The reason they sell so many are because
the price is cheap and they are accurate. Plastic and pot metal parts. I just cant get myself to buy a Savage. I forgot to mention,
they are all ugly too.
 
Oh yes, because remmys never brake and leave the factory perfect......who says shit like this....Dollar for dolllar Savage is a great rifle my 110 shoots little tiny groups....I havnt fired it in years do to owning several amd I mean several custom rifles....but if and when I was on a budget a Savage would be my go to rifle....check the posts here of some of the F'd up Remmys leaving the factory.
 
Most of the savages I have seen break are do
To someone working on them that should not.

For new guns being made today Remington produces more crap than savage could try to make.

Savages are a $300 beater gun. Remingtons are a $300 action that needs to be trued and
Rebarrelled
 
I had a guy at a gunshop say all Savages will shoot .0000001 MOA out of the box so it must be true. He also said that more Ed Brown 1911's end up in for repair then Kimbers.
 
Ever notice all the Savage firearms at the Gunsmith shops? After talking to different gunsmiths across the country, seems like
that Savage/Stevens/Springfield get repaired more than any other brand of firearms. The reason they sell so many are because
the price is cheap and they are accurate. Plastic and pot metal parts. I just cant get myself to buy a Savage. I forgot to mention,
they are all ugly too.
Trolling today, are we? :D

Or just bored?
 
I've owned a few Savages and ALL would shoot lights out. Never had any issues with them.
 
Well I hope more people get the OP's feeling so I can fill the rest of my gun cabinet with these cheap junk Savages. My savage shoots lights out and I am in the process of buying another.
 
I thought I remember seeing some stuff about Savage having slightly better metal qualities than some Remington's. Now, that is more of to say that they're very close in metal quality, not to say that Remington is worse than Savage for metal qualities. I bought the most recent cheapest savage you can buy. The Trophy Hunter XP, I sold the Nikon Prostaff for $150 bringing the cost down to around $350 with the accutrigger. The bolt guts actually have a slightly different internal structure, the BAS is hollow instead of solid, but either way, very similar to a Steven's with an accutrigger. I am hand loading with a Lee anniversary kit and I made one adjustment to the OAL to get it closer to the lands, but not nearly close enough for maximum accuracy, and I shot one five shot group with it and had slightly sub MOA with IMR 4831 (all I could get). I'm 20 years old and this is all the experience I have with bolt actions and I can promise a better shooter would get even more below sub MOA with minimum load development.
 
Obvious troll is obvious, but what the hell...

Ever notice all the Savage firearms at the Gunsmith shops?

No.

After talking to different gunsmiths across the country, seems like that Savage/Stevens/Springfield get repaired more than any other brand of firearms.

Which gunsmiths did you talk to, and what repairs were so common?

Seems like there's a veritable shit ton of gunsmiths that specialize in Remmy 700s, but only a small handful that do Savage work...

The reason they sell so many are because the price is cheap and they are accurate.

Two horrible problems for a weapon to have, for sure.

I forgot to mention, they are all ugly too.

Well...there is always that.
 
yo, i have a large trash can in the back of my truck you can dump those pesky old savages in there, i wont mind at all...lol

night eagle
 
Really? People take Savages to gunsmiths? I bet they pay $70 to have someone else change their oil too.
 
Shit I see them all at Charltons my smith, winhcesteters, savages, remingtons, brownings, CZ, Ruger, Ect, ect. You know what, when people actualy use there guns they eventually need repair just like a car. People can go all day about how their chevy truck has yet to brake down, when all they do is get groceries in it and only has 20,000, and people like farmers, hunters who have driven the same truck for years for everything and anything and have 200,000 miles like me and my buddy with a maxipad chevy diesel.. "Its never let me down" wait till you hit 150K something needs repair. Yes their are junk guns out there savage has some cheap models so does remington, and now ruger. You pay for what you get. Ive had to repplace a couple of things on my remmy.. But guns are like trucks, I here how people praise the peterbuilt with the cat motor. Well we get more of those in than some other trucks but thats also to do with that their are quite a few more petes haulin loads than say volvo, and some of these other wierd makers. Just my thought, yep they are ugly but I would not turn one down for the right price.
 
I use to jokingly call Savage: " Salvage" but they do make decent guns (now) and far ahead of the crap they originally made.

I agree with one of the above comments that a lot of troubles are initiated by the idiot behind the trigger working on things they should not touch. I know one person that did a trigger job and the rifle fired when the bolt lever was closed. God protects really stupid people.......
 
Looks more like remington is doing more to help out the gun smiths with acton truing jobs. Look at Chad at long rifles inc. group buy.
 
Ever notice all the Savage firearms at the Gunsmith shops? After talking to different gunsmiths across the country, seems like
that Savage/Stevens/Springfield get repaired more than any other brand of firearms. The reason they sell so many are because
the price is cheap and they are accurate. Plastic and pot metal parts. I just cant get myself to buy a Savage. I forgot to mention,
they are all ugly too.
You may be right, I don't know, but my guess as to what Brand and or mod. of weapon, long gun or short has the most need for parts (fixing) I would spend some time looking at a Brownell's Cat, they've been at it a long time (I believe almost every gunsmith deals with Brownell's)and see what the carry the most of. I would find it hard to believe they carry large numbers of parts that do not sell, but as the good business people they are, they carry those parts that are in demand. Needless to say (but I'll say it here, as someone will say "what about upgrades") I am not talking about Up-grades, such as a new stock, or shineeee new bolt handle etc. but rather, those parts of a weapon that are needed to operate, to include trigger(s), firing pins, springs, ejectors etc. I assume as these are the biggest sellers, they must be going to the most "fixed" weapons. Just saying.
 
Ever notice all the Savage firearms at the Gunsmith shops? After talking to different gunsmiths across the country, seems like
that Savage/Stevens/Springfield get repaired more than any other brand of firearms. The reason they sell so many are because
the price is cheap and they are accurate. Plastic and pot metal parts. I just cant get myself to buy a Savage. I forgot to mention,
they are all ugly too.

Really?

Everything on a Savage can be fixed by a competent person. Unlike Remingtons, which require a gunsmith.

I have never seen a savage at a gunsmith. Ever.
 
ok I'll bite
majority of all gunsmiths specilize in rem700's for a reason
I was born a died in the wool rem man
wouldnt even consider ever owning a x brand
I've had 2 of many that would shoot moa or better
both .308's made in the 60's before the tooling got loose
still have one of them -& it still shoots .5 moa
unlike the others that others now own
I bought a 300.00 pan shop savage for a truck gun
so's i wouldnt screw up my nice-ens
& the 1st group was 5 shots about the size of a dime
since then I have bout 4 more savys
they all but one shot .5 moa-ish
I'm still working up a load for it
if it dont shoot -worst case is
I'll
have to change the barrel
at home
in about 10 min
including headspacing
if I shoot out my others
I'll
have to change the barrel
at home
in about 10 min
including headspacing
I dont know of any other brand of rifles that consistanly win matches
in
box stock
factory configuration

here is a ( quote) regarding team Savage
They recently added the 2010 F T/R National Championship to that list by taking the team competition in grand fashion. The won both the 600 and 1,000 yard events, establishing an new 1,000-yard record of 778-21X.

Darrell Buell of Damascus, OR; John Weil of Welches, OR; Monte Milanuk of Wenatchee WA and Stan Pate of Milwaukie, OR made the trip to Sacramento, CA to represent Savage Arms. The competition featured some of the best talent and most expensive custom rifles from around the Country. But, once again, those expensive custom guns were no match for four skilled marksmen armed with STOCK Savage Model 12 rifles.
armed with STOCK Savage Model 12 rifles.


"We continue to be thrilled with the winning results from Team Savage. It says a lot about them and it says a lot about the rifles,"
Savage VP of Sales & Marketing Brian Herrick said. "We're not trying to tell anybody that they can just buy a Savage and shoot like Darrell, John, Monte and Stan,
but it should be fairly obvious by now
that shooting stock Savage rifles isn't holding these guys back at all."
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...rifles/105567-savages-floating-bolt-head.html

Yes I agree with Ring. The MSR is using them and I also think the XM2010 is too. So thier must be something to it. What I do not know.
Originally Posted By: Ring
well the reminton MSR is using it now.. so cant be that bad...


This is humorous to me. Remington homers have been using the argument that Savages are build cheap
because the floating bolt head allows the bolt to be made in parts, not one piece like the 700.

Guess they'll have to find a different reason to hate Savages now.

Let's not forget Big Horn actions also have a floating bolthead. The one I saw appeared to BE a Savage bolthead.
If it wasn't made by Savage, it was an absolute copy. I'm pretty sure it was a Savage part.
This is not criticsm, by the way...why reinvent the wheel?

I don't think the floating bolthead was chosen so that receiver manufacturing could be done "sloppily".
Rather, I think it was chosen to allow nearly the entire bolt to be interchangable amonst all calibers...just pin a different bolthead on it.

Also, I think Savage recognized the floating design to be an easy way to guarantee both lugs share the bolt thrust load.

Originally Posted By: skog
Savage does it because it is cheap. Remington does it so you can change caliber depending on the mission.


LOLZ

So when Savage uses a floating bolt head its because its inexpensive/cheap;
when Remington starts using a floating bolt head its because it provides flexibility.

Got it.

Never mind the fact shooters have been swapping cheap Savage bolt heads to change calibers depending on their needs for decades now...
I can't decide if I want the 110 action sitting in my safe to use the .378 bolt head currently in it to shoot 223,
or if I want to put in a .532 bolt head in and build a 7 SAUM, or buy a vanilla .473 bolt head and build a 284 Win or 30-06.

THANK GOODNESS FOR MISSION FLEXIBLITY
didnt know if the link would work so I pasted some of the posts
 
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I was never a fan of Savage but it's hard to argue what you get for the money. They shoot great out of the box and as previously said, you can install a barrel at your kitchen table, drop it in a new stock and you have one hell of a nice setup.
 
I never mentioned a Remington or particular model of Savage in my original post. I can`t say alot on here for certain reasons. I said that Savages keep gunsmiths
in business because since they have made alot of junk over the years. Their shotguns, rifles, and even pistols were very low quality. Yes, they do make
accurate rifles, very owner friendly bolt guns. The centerfire rifles are well made. Growing up I always wanted high quality firearms and I never even
considered Savage. Even today I won`t buy anything Savage makes.
 
Ever notice all the Savage firearms at the Gunsmith shops? After talking to different gunsmiths across the country, seems like
that Savage/Stevens/Springfield get repaired more than any other brand of firearms. The reason they sell so many are because
the price is cheap and they are accurate. Plastic and pot metal parts. I just cant get myself to buy a Savage. I forgot to mention,
they are all ugly too.
I agree. Those pesky BAS screws are too tight from the factory. When I bought a larger bolt knob I had to use a vice to get enough leverage to brake it lose. I will never get those 4 minutes of my life back...But seriously, I don't know how they would keep a smith in business as anything that breaks on a savage is generally a very easy DIY project. I had a bunch of my Savage barrels spontaneously break and I screwed on new CBIs in like 20 minutes.
 
Many people will only listen to evidence that support their personal prejudices. Why bother giving them evidence that they simply will ignore.
 
...Their shotguns, rifles, and even pistols were very low quality. Yes, they do make
accurate rifles, very owner friendly bolt guns. The centerfire rifles are well made. Growing up I always wanted high quality firearms and I never even
considered Savage. Even today I won`t buy anything Savage makes.

Talk about trolling.

I'm 44 year old and my dad has a savage shotgun that was passed down to him from his dad, it might even have been passed down from HIS dad, I'm not sure. I think it's safe to say that it's older than anyone on this board and it still functions perfectly. It'll likely still be functioning perfectly when everyone on this board is pushing up daisies. I killed a lot of squirrels with that old shotgun in my youth.

Savages are not low quality. They're utilitarian but that doesn't make them cheap. If you want flashy then look elsewhere.

I've also never seen one at a gunsmith's.
 
If anybody really believes that those Savages, mentioned in the above thread, were "box stock" I have a box of bullets that are guaranteed to shoot all in the same hole at 1000 Yds. for sale cheap.
 
This is the gunsmithing thread. That is why I posted it here. Next time you are at a real gunsmith shop, ask to see his/her log books. You will see more Savages
in for repair than any other. (Notice I didn`t say any particular model, gauge, caliber, rifle, shotgun,pistol).