Anybody used this product? Looking to see if this is a viable option to use on the fly or not.
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I use several and they are very accurate. There are options that are faster like the FDAC cards. I really like the table format of the FDAC cards but they don't offer a custom option that I know of yet. For my use the WW is very functiinal and better for me because they are made to match my loads/rifles exactly. If you shoot something that matches the available FDAC calibers/projectiles I would give them a good look.
I got a WW about a month ago I like it alot. No batteries and I find it to be pretty darn quick. It's dead on as long as you have the correct temp which isn't too hard to figure out. I have no experience with te FDAC
I was wondering the same question. After some research I think the whiz wheel will be the best option for me. All this coming from a non-user yet, it seems to account for most atmospheric conditions and give you the most accurate data without relying on any electronics. I understand your question, it does seem to take a little bit of time to get all of the information off of the wheel. I guess my question to you would be what does on-the-fly mean, on-the-fly as in I need to shoot right now or I've got a minute to come up with my dope?
I like mine and it works well.
I don't think it's all that slow, get the temp and dial the DA wheel to the temp and you'll get you r DA number. Figure out your distance to the target and dial your distance to the correct DA and bingo. I haven't had it long enough to test their wind formula but the two times out I used my on wind calls. It takes me longer to figure out my distance to the target if I'm using my reticle to range than it does to use the wheel...
Sounds good. I do a lot of hunting in rolling hill country in not the best of weather. I'd like to have something I can carry with me that is not electronic. And as far as on the fly, that would be under a minute. Time to range a target and use the wheel to get the dope. Would be for coyote calling where they hang up or spot and stalk opportunities.
I use it a lot at our Sniper Schools, especially the advanced schools... It is fast once you get used to it... Once you know your DA you can just get your distance and it will give you your adj... Assuming your enviros haven't changed too much... It not like you have to constantly compute your DA for every shot... Figure out the DA once you get on stand and then wait for said yote to show up... Range it, wind it, shoot it...
All I use for data for long range target, matches, and hunting. Fast and Accurate. Accuracy First has been a great sponsor of ASC and make a great custom product.
Excellent. Sounds like something I will be looking into once I get the rifle back from the smith.
I finally had a chance to take the Whiz wheel out for a spin today. In short...I like it, a lot. Now don't get me wrong, I love electronic gadgets as much as the next guy and find they are fast and accurate as long as I input the correct data. The "trick" factor you get from sleek modern gadgetry is undeniable. Computers make things easier in life than they should be sometimes.
That being said, I like elegantly simple old school tech just as much. ( heck, I still pay with cash most of the time) We all know the failure possibilities with anything electronic. It is highly likely eventually Im going to drop my fancy gadget in the water or on a hard surface. I love nothing more than ranging an UKD target with the reticle, crunching a calc (or using my mil dot master) and consulting my data cards and getting a hit first shot. Sure it takes a follow up shot sometimes, but it's rewarding using "old school" tech.
Enter the whiz wheel. When I saw it on the internet, It looked intimidating, lots of dials, numbers, and hash marks. A word of caution, be diligent when ordering your discs to input the correct data. Take pains in doing this. I accidentally allowed the default scope height to preload in my order form and I am going to have to reorder a disc with the proper scope height...no biggie, my $20 mistake, I can handle that. While I am at it, I am going to get two more discs. one for 5.56 and one for 300 WM.
It took me about an hour of studying the directions, watching the video on you tube, and inputing hypothetical shooting senarios to "get" it. As with anything new, it has a learning curve. I found that mostly, I needed to become familiar with all the data and where it is located and how to retrieve it quickly. My first opportunity to use the wheel was yesterday during a quick impromptu shooting session. After confirming my 100 yd zero, I determined my DA based on temp. and elevation. I found an odd colored rock and hit it with the range finder... 780 yards. I ESTIMATED my inclination at 10 degrees as I was too lazy to go and get my mil dot master. I had a 6 o'clock wind at about 7-10 mph.( no correction) it called for 6.9 mils of elevation. On the back, I rounded up to 7 mils and found it called for a .2 mil inclination adjustment. I dialed up to the correct 6.9, backed off .2, I then used bullet flight to confirm the whiz wheel data. With bullet flight I had the proper scope height loaded and it called for .2 mils less than the wheel. I split the difference and adjusted .1 (the whiz data was only 2.8 inches off at this point) Got a first round hit on the rock. I had to dial down to about 6 magnification as I had to spot my own hit and the rock was in the shade of the mountain already. It was nice to see the rock tumble down the hill. After this I put the iPhone away and hit rocks all over the mountain from 300-800 yards with just the whiz wheel. Will it replace my electronic equipment? no, could it? yes.
Now mind you, I don't earn my living behind a rifle and I was under zero stress (except the wife in the car asking how much longer I was going to be) so I found it to be very usable. I really don't see how it would be anymore difficult to use as compared to electronics... it would make a fantastic companion hunting where the altitude and temp. are changing throughout the day and rain is soaking all your equipment. Not to mention the shot down into a canyon. or up on the ledge. I didn't shoot any movers, however, with more practice, I could see getting fairly confident hitting a slow moving animal if the practice data proved correct.
The whiz wheel is small,portable,compact, lightweight, waterproof and crushproof. I like this tool!
That being said, I like elegantly simple old school tech just as much. ( heck, I still pay with cash most of the time) We all know the failure possibilities with anything electronic. It is highly likely eventually Im going to drop my fancy gadget in the water or on a hard surface. I love nothing more than ranging an UKD target with the reticle, crunching a calc (or using my mil dot master) and consulting my data cards and getting a hit first shot. Sure it takes a follow up shot sometimes, but it's rewarding using "old school" tech.
Enter the whiz wheel. When I saw it on the internet, It looked intimidating, lots of dials, numbers, and hash marks. A word of caution, be diligent when ordering your discs to input the correct data. Take pains in doing this. I accidentally allowed the default scope height to preload in my order form and I am going to have to reorder a disc with the proper scope height...no biggie, my $20 mistake, I can handle that. While I am at it, I am going to get two more discs. one for 5.56 and one for 300 WM.
It took me about an hour of studying the directions, watching the video on you tube, and inputing hypothetical shooting senarios to "get" it. As with anything new, it has a learning curve. I found that mostly, I needed to become familiar with all the data and where it is located and how to retrieve it quickly. My first opportunity to use the wheel was yesterday during a quick impromptu shooting session. After confirming my 100 yd zero, I determined my DA based on temp. and elevation. I found an odd colored rock and hit it with the range finder... 780 yards. I ESTIMATED my inclination at 10 degrees as I was too lazy to go and get my mil dot master. I had a 6 o'clock wind at about 7-10 mph.( no correction) it called for 6.9 mils of elevation. On the back, I rounded up to 7 mils and found it called for a .2 mil inclination adjustment. I dialed up to the correct 6.9, backed off .2, I then used bullet flight to confirm the whiz wheel data. With bullet flight I had the proper scope height loaded and it called for .2 mils less than the wheel. I split the difference and adjusted .1 (the whiz data was only 2.8 inches off at this point) Got a first round hit on the rock. I had to dial down to about 6 magnification as I had to spot my own hit and the rock was in the shade of the mountain already. It was nice to see the rock tumble down the hill. After this I put the iPhone away and hit rocks all over the mountain from 300-800 yards with just the whiz wheel. Will it replace my electronic equipment? no, could it? yes.
Now mind you, I don't earn my living behind a rifle and I was under zero stress (except the wife in the car asking how much longer I was going to be) so I found it to be very usable. I really don't see how it would be anymore difficult to use as compared to electronics... it would make a fantastic companion hunting where the altitude and temp. are changing throughout the day and rain is soaking all your equipment. Not to mention the shot down into a canyon. or up on the ledge. I didn't shoot any movers, however, with more practice, I could see getting fairly confident hitting a slow moving animal if the practice data proved correct.
The whiz wheel is small,portable,compact, lightweight, waterproof and crushproof. I like this tool!
I'd like to get one but not sure which to get. I'm running a 26" 308 with 168 smmk federal lactory loads. I'm just getting started and some aspects I am not to familiar with when it comes to ballistics. If anyone can throw me a bone it would help.
Your going to have to chronograph the round you will be using through your rifle. You need to record your sight height and know your barrel twist rate, these are things they can't plug in for you. consult with Accuracy first regarding the BC . They can assign the appropriate BC for the 168gr
Your going to have to determine if you want mils or MOA, and yards or meters.
Then your set.
Your going to have to determine if you want mils or MOA, and yards or meters.
Then your set.
Thanks. That simplifies it a bit. Guess its time to buy a chronograph. Been looking for a good excuse to get one. I might as well do a couple other rifles too. I seem that AI has a package that comes with 3 wheels.
I have been using the WW since last year. It is pretty much dead on, as long as you have the correct wheel with sight height and brand of ammo you are using along with velocity. I run the Kestrel quite a bit, the WW is my back up, situation depending.
The whiz wheel is a great piece of kit but it can be intimidating until you play with it. Reading the directions makes understanding how to use it a lot easier and less intimidating. The user manual can be found here:
https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/content/docs/A1DG_Website_Info/A1BBC_FullInstructions.pdf
https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/content/docs/A1DG_Website_Info/A1BBC_FullInstructions.pdf
I ordered one for the department rifle, it is dead nuts on out to 600, that's all the distance I've had available so far - I will order one for my own 700 in the near future. Thank Heaven for things that work without batteries.........
We have been using them during our courses for over a year now. No problems out to 1000!
Very accurate and easy to true.
Very accurate and easy to true.
