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Rifle Scopes Whats the input on a Steiner 5-25 and what reticle choice?

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I can get a deal deal on a Steiner. I have a Nesika 260Rem that currently has an older NF 8-32 and now that I joined a 600yd steel range Id like to get an FFP. Id love to get the new Beast but that would cost a little over 1k more. I was looking at Steiners Mil Dot reticle the MSR seems pretty busy and Im not sure if I need all that.
 
Hey guys, I got behind one for the first time over the weekend. One of the guys at the match brought a TRG-42 with a 5-25x Steiner with G2 Mildot and overall I was impressed by it, with good optical clarity and solid turrets.
 
Im looking at one for around $2000 which is a great price. Not much in that range with all those features. After watching some videos I see the advantages of the MSR reticle. S&B and the Beast are alot more and wonder if its worth it? I have never seen their scopes first hand. I like the turret and how it works. I was wondering how well the zero stops works. Im not a fan of Vortex and the shims.
 
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I'd buy def buy one at $2k with the MSR reticle. If you decide not to take it, I'd be happy to buy it. :)
 
I bought a 4-16x50 and the glass quality is very good and the Mildot reticle is very good as well (no MSR option for that one). Turrets are nice and big and easy to turn. They have a good feel to them with nice clicks and ergonomics. The illumination is easy to access on the parallax adjustment knob and works well even in bright light if you so wanted. Clarity across the field of view is very clean and crisp and better than my Nightforce F1 by a decent margin. I can see .30 cal bullet holes at 300 yards that the Nightforce F1 would have a hard time resolving.

Build quality appears excellent and rugged. The 34mm tube meant I needed to buy new rings, but this just seems to be the way the industry is going.

A nice thing about the Steiner over the Nightforce is the reticle lines extend to the edges no matter how low you take the magnification. On the Nightforce F1, the reticle will not extend to the edges at lower powers and I find at lower magnification the F1 reticle is harder to see vs. the Steiner at the same power.

Compared to the S&B 5-25, the Steiner 4-16 had no tunneling effect at lower powers. The S&B tunneling became very apparent under 7X power or so. I think the 5-25 Steiner should not have tunneling either so that is a big plus if you like using lower powers for positional shooting not using a bipod (which I often do).

Zero stop is reliable and easy to set. You loosen two set screws on the turret, raise the turret about 1/8in, turn it over the amount you want to adjust the scope, push the turret back down and lock down the set screws. It's the fastest zero stop I've used on a scope so far and you don't need to pull off the turret caps which is nice as it prevents the possibility of getting dirt/debris into the mechanism.

The eyebox on the Steiner seemed better to me than the Nightforce F1. It is more forgiving and easier to get behind with better eye relief from my comparisons.

I did a tracking test with it when I zeroed the optic and it was perfect. Vertical tracking test was also flawless out to 13 mils elevation when I had it at the range.

Overall I like the Steiner and it's just a question for me of how they hold up long-term after being beaten up a bunch in the field. My Nightforce scopes have been flawless so that's the benchmark I'm going to use.

I have a 5-25 coming that will be put on a new rifle build so we'll see how that goes (with MSR reticle). The drop down turret indicator honestly seems a little gimmicky and just one additional thing to go wrong on an optic. But, we'll see. I prefer less bells and whistles and places where water/debris can cause problems. However Steiner does have a lifetime warranty and asserts they are waterproof to a certain submersion depth.

So far the Steiner I think is coming into the market with a serious product and is in the game to compete against all the higher end scopes. Their price point is good considering the quality of optics if you shop around.
 
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I recently acquired a new Steiner 5-25x56 Military Gen 2 and have to say, it's pretty damn decent. Adjustments are dead on as is tracking. Zero stop works great and the scope was very easy to set up. I've only used it for 60 rounds so far, but no disappointments whatsoever. I had my 13yr old behind it today hammering stuff out 780yrds as shown in the pic on a SPEEDCO Rem 700 .308
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Strongly considering getting a Steiner 5-25x56mm here in Australia. Apparently there are a bunch on the way and a couple of the various State Police Force Tactical Teams are using them in the field and loving them. The Kahles K624i is an option but I prefer the mil dot reticle on the Steiner, plus I think I'll prefer the illumination system.
 
I have been running a 3x12 mil dot on an AR since last September and a 5x25 MSR on my 260 since December. Both are excellent scopes. Others have already gave a review. I have over 1100 rounds through both so I have significant time cranking knobs. Both have been beat through comps, Utah State Sniper Shoot, Thunder Beast team challenge, TPRC, Shoot for the Green and local matches. Not one single issue. I feel you would like the MSR recticule over the mil dot. I personally like the open cross.

Goodluck

Dino
 
The MSR reticle is awesome. I have the S&B Scope, but the reticle is the same. Super fast accurate ranging. Not too busy. You will find your eye is drawn to just the part of the scope your trying to use. Check out the MSR sticky at the top of the forum.
 
I have one but haven't mounted it yet, the only thing that bothers me about it is the turret detents on the elevation turret aren't as tactile or loud as I would like.

The msr reticle looks awesome and is perfect for what I want it for.
The illumination is well done very little bleed cross hairs are lit only.
Glass is phenomenal.
At that price point I wouldn't hesitate, at the very least if you don't like it and want to sell it you won't lose any money.
As far as tunneling goes I notice it at about 6-5x but that's it.
John
 
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Had the 4-16 model and have since upgraded to the 5-25. The 4-16 nothing more can be said that hasn't been said. Excellent price and can go head to head with the rest of the big boys and hold its own. The 5-25 same. Mine does have tunneling but its from 5-5.1X, basically unless you are looking hard for it you won't see it. Eye box is nice and have yet to get the MSR out past 100 yet but in the coming weeks that will change. 5-25 w/ MSR will still cost less than its schmidt counterpart without the MSR. Excellent scopes and would highly recommend them.
 
I got to ask. Where the hell are you getting a 2k 5-25 MSR steiner? They got more at that price? I'll sell mine and pick up one of those for a $8-900 profit.
 
Take a look at the new MSR reticle. You will be amazed. I looked through a steiner military with this reticle a few weeks ago and I am sold.

M1Amen
 
As popular as these 34 mm scopes are becoming, they better start cranking out more 34 mm rings.
I have had one of these scopes for a couple of months now, but have not mounted yet, as am still waiting on Seekins rings.
 
As popular as these 34 mm scopes are becoming, they better start cranking out more 34 mm rings.
I have had one of these scopes for a couple of months now, but have not mounted yet, as am still waiting on Seekins rings.

I got 2 sets of 34 MM Seekins rings from EuroOptic immediately. One set for the Steiner 5-25 MSR, one for the Bushnell 3-21 ERS. Ordered on Monday... had them mounted by that Friday. This was two seeks ago.
 
just ordered one from cameraland myself. been debating on a new scope to get for a while now, but at less than 2500 with msr, couldn't pass it up.
 
I have one but haven't mounted it yet, the only thing that bothers me about it is the turret detents on the elevation turret aren't as tactile or loud as I would like.

The msr reticle looks awesome and is perfect for what I want it for.
The illumination is well done very little bleed cross hairs are lit only.
Glass is phenomenal.
At that price point I wouldn't hesitate, at the very least if you don't like it and want to sell it you won't lose any money.
As far as tunneling goes I notice it at about 6-5x but that's it.
John

I agree with this 100%, that glass is on par with any of the high end guys, but the turrets are less tactile and loud than I was anticipating. That said, they aren't spongy and are still very positive.
 
As popular as these 34 mm scopes are becoming, they better start cranking out more 34 mm rings.
I have had one of these scopes for a couple of months now, but have not mounted yet, as am still waiting on Seekins rings.

Give mike at cstactical a call, just got some vortex 34mm rings from him, they are made by seekins.

John
 
I got 2 sets of 34 MM Seekins rings from EuroOptic immediately. One set for the Steiner 5-25 MSR, one for the Bushnell 3-21 ERS. Ordered on Monday... had them mounted by that Friday. This was two seeks ago.
Thanks for the lead I will give them a call
 
I have a PMII in 3-20x50 and a 5-25x56... Both have the MSR and you will love that reticle. I do run a 5.5-22x56 NF w/ NPR1 which is also good but I wanted to go mil/mil FFP and I have never looked back since. I have another rifle that I would like to buy an additional piece of glass for, but I would like a good scope for not too much money. You all have me thinking seriously about this Steiner.
 
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I believe you will really enjoy your scope. I have it mounted on a Bighorn action with their 20 MOA rail. 100yd zero and I have exactly 20 mils of elevation left. More than the gun is capable of shooting. Give us an update.

Thanks

Dino