I need to use a long range accurate rifle for an upcoming class that will have lots of physical exercise also. I have a ax308 and obr but both are pretty heavy to carry. Even my FN spr is pretty heavy. Does anyone know which is the lightest weight to carry?
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So much money. So little time. Remmy 700 5R. Lite. Quick. Short barrel. But If you shoot your AX, carry the weight, and cry later.Just me, Josh.Maybe a Tikka? Light Hunter?
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700 LTR perhaps?
I carry a GAP 6.5 CM with a 20" Varmit/Pss contour 6 flutes in a manners T5 with the mini chassis. It has proven to be a light and very accurate rifle. Don't know the weight but it's not bad at all for what it is. And it's balanced as well. I feel like I could have shaved some more off in the bbl area but it handles lots of shots and isn't heavy Best of both worlds.
Good luck!
Good luck!
I think McMillan can inject their stocks with helium
but if you don't want to go through that trouble, id stick with one of the rifles that you have, maybe heavy, but I would much rather train and gather dope on the system I use most
but if you don't want to go through that trouble, id stick with one of the rifles that you have, maybe heavy, but I would much rather train and gather dope on the system I use most
6.5 are not allowed. Only 308. I will check out the Remington 700 LTR
Also, does anyone sell a modified 700LTR light package designed for accuracy in mind.
My local shop has some bastard Remington on the shelf...
Its a 700LTR barreled action (20", fluted, marked LIGHT TACTICAL 1:10) except the muzzle is threaded with protector, and its in a SPS Varmint stock vs. the HS of a regular LTR or even the Hogue of an AAC-SD. Guy that runs the shop said it was some "parts bin special" Remmy was sending out.
Price was $799 IIRC, which ain't too bad if somebody is looking to throw it into an aftermarket stock or chassis. I do know they'll ship, too...
Its a 700LTR barreled action (20", fluted, marked LIGHT TACTICAL 1:10) except the muzzle is threaded with protector, and its in a SPS Varmint stock vs. the HS of a regular LTR or even the Hogue of an AAC-SD. Guy that runs the shop said it was some "parts bin special" Remmy was sending out.
Price was $799 IIRC, which ain't too bad if somebody is looking to throw it into an aftermarket stock or chassis. I do know they'll ship, too...
You could do a FNH Patrol bolt rifle and get the barrel cut down a bit, then put it in a lightweight manners/mcmillan stock. The PBRs have a lighter contour than the SPRs. I have an PBR and it's a 1/4moa rifle and not too heavy.
You could also just get a sling that is more conducive to harrying a heavier rifle. Maybe a biathalon sling with two straps and where it like a backpack. Maybe an Eberlestock pack.
Do you know how much shooting, and how rapid the firing will be in this class? If there's gonna be a lot with fast strings you might be pissing in the wind with a lighter contoured barrel. If it's gonna be slower rates of fire and not a ton of shooting I bet you could get by with a nice hunting style rifle with a sporter barrel. I've always wanted one of those lightweight Kimber rifles in .260 or .308.
You could also just get a sling that is more conducive to harrying a heavier rifle. Maybe a biathalon sling with two straps and where it like a backpack. Maybe an Eberlestock pack.
Do you know how much shooting, and how rapid the firing will be in this class? If there's gonna be a lot with fast strings you might be pissing in the wind with a lighter contoured barrel. If it's gonna be slower rates of fire and not a ton of shooting I bet you could get by with a nice hunting style rifle with a sporter barrel. I've always wanted one of those lightweight Kimber rifles in .260 or .308.
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Yeah. I'm actually glad to see this topic. That weight is getting stupid on some of these "tactical" rifles. I'm glad to see a class that is also including humping your gear. I have opinions about certain rifles, but I'll spare you. Doesn't mean what I do is right for you. But I do have two points to consider:
1. If you really want to save weight, serious weight, you'll have to look at hunting rifles. Doesn't mean you sacrifice accuracy. You'll need to pay attention to barrel thickness. If a thin hunting barrel heats up, in most cases but not all, it will string. What would you absolutely add to a hunting rifle to get you through this class? But as others have said, dancing the with the girl that brought you does make a lot of sense as opposed to buying more gear. Maybe you should run the heavy gun?
2. In the future, something to consider on "tactical rifles": Laying out full-prone with a loaded bi-pod, while easy and very accurate, isn't likely to happen in the real world. Tactical or not. So the next time you are looking at camo-colored tactical rifles, pick them up and check the position shooting weight. All the positions. That is the make or break in my book. If it's too heavy for YOU to position shoot with it--now I'm allowing for it to suck rocks. But if you CAN'T position shoot with it? Walk away.
If the next guy can, great. Let him buy it.
Once you get that mind-set, you'll start to look at your rifles differently. Steel rings? Sure. Why not alloy to save weight? Quick-detach mounts? Sure. But will a regular set of rings be lighter? Folding stock? Very cool. But does that metal hinge add more weight than a standard stock? If so, pass.
I'll even go as far to say this. 18# 7.62 rifles? Not in my world. Taking a bench-rest rifle, painting it green, doesn't make it military-grade. I don't care what the cool kids say.
My opinion is in the minority.
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Black ops precision SPECTER-BABR or ranch rifle.
If money is not a problem, you can get one of the super light weight barrels, and have one of the carbon fiber, or other lightweight wrappings that absorb/dissipate heat better than a heavyweight steel barrel. They look like a heavy barrel, but are in fact very light. My buddy got one and was amazed at how well it worked. I do not know which one he got, but he is stoked about it.
My buddy sent in a heavy barrel, and the company turned the barrel down, then wrapped it. It looked really cool.
My buddy sent in a heavy barrel, and the company turned the barrel down, then wrapped it. It looked really cool.
Steyr SSG 69 p1 is very hard to beat as a leightwight sniper. And like T.REP said; the SSG is easy to shoot from all positions, espesially standing without support. It handles like a top class shotgun compared to other tactical rifles.
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Define the term "lightweight" prior to buy new rifle.
Areas to cut the weight (decending order on how areas impact weight savings):
1. barrel. Cut it to 16.5" - each 1" will save you ~3oz. So 26" to 16.5" in .308 will save you almost 30oz.
2. Stock - Mcmillan in Snipersfill weights 1,7 kg. in Edge fill - 950 grams (i'm talking A5) - almost 26 oz.
3. Glass. March FX 3-24 weights 650 grams. Nigntforce ATACR weights 1050 grams - 300 grams (over 10oz) just because of different glass.
4. Rings and base for the scope. you can save up to 3 oz on it (badger MAX is double vs. Murphy precision titanium)
So you'll be able to save 70 oz or over 4.3 lbs from the rifle addressing these 4 areas.
After that you'll have to learn again to shoot tight groups with your lightweight rifle. Because rifle which is comfortable to hike with often is not so comfortable to shoot with.
But often it's just the perception thing.
Areas to cut the weight (decending order on how areas impact weight savings):
1. barrel. Cut it to 16.5" - each 1" will save you ~3oz. So 26" to 16.5" in .308 will save you almost 30oz.
2. Stock - Mcmillan in Snipersfill weights 1,7 kg. in Edge fill - 950 grams (i'm talking A5) - almost 26 oz.
3. Glass. March FX 3-24 weights 650 grams. Nigntforce ATACR weights 1050 grams - 300 grams (over 10oz) just because of different glass.
4. Rings and base for the scope. you can save up to 3 oz on it (badger MAX is double vs. Murphy precision titanium)
So you'll be able to save 70 oz or over 4.3 lbs from the rifle addressing these 4 areas.
After that you'll have to learn again to shoot tight groups with your lightweight rifle. Because rifle which is comfortable to hike with often is not so comfortable to shoot with.
But often it's just the perception thing.
I think the rules for high power metallic silhouette rifles are a good starting point for a leight weight rifle. Most important is actually hitting the target from all positions. A short rifle do not do this well unless it is shot from a rest or bipod. Do not save weight on the barrel.
In Europe a Sauer 202 with alloy action and full lenght STR/SSG3000 matchbarrel is a good start.
See page 40 in this document: http://www.imssu.org/documents/Rules English 2013.pdf
In Europe a Sauer 202 with alloy action and full lenght STR/SSG3000 matchbarrel is a good start.
See page 40 in this document: http://www.imssu.org/documents/Rules English 2013.pdf
I was just in the forsale section. I saw this rifle and liked it so much, I e-mailed the ad to a friend of mine. I don't know this seller. I don't have any interest in this rifle other than maybe buying it. But I just saw this lighter-weight rifle listed here on the hide. While it's not all ninja'ed out, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it'll run with the big-dogs shot for shot. Some may disagree. But IMO you could run this is The Sniper's Hide Cup and win or lose based on your skill. Not your rifle.
Maker's website lists this rifle somewhere between 7.7-and 8.2 lbs. And 6.5 Sweed isn't going to beat you to death either and has better B&C than 7.62.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...eyr-sbs-prohunter-chambered-6-5x55-swede.html
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Maker's website lists this rifle somewhere between 7.7-and 8.2 lbs. And 6.5 Sweed isn't going to beat you to death either and has better B&C than 7.62.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...eyr-sbs-prohunter-chambered-6-5x55-swede.html
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Who told you that, the manufacturer of the barrel?
I would look into getting a Christensen Arms. Mines accurate and weighs very little! They are pricey tho
I have not spoken with the company that does the work on the barrels, so I won't make a case for, or against anything they told my friend.
My friend was a long distance military shooter (designated marksman/sniper) for an eastern block country during the cold war, now an American citizen, and a very accomplished competition shooter.
He is VERY happy with how the barrel he sent in for modification performs. It is much lighter than before, and he says the claims about resistance to heat problems (such as mirage, stringing, groups opening) with long strings of fire are true. His only complaint was that it cost so much.
I don't know which of the barrel modification companies he had do the work though. Once he told me the cost, I quickly lost interest in learning more.
Thank you all for the replies. Unfortunately, in law enforcement, we have to stick with a few rules and I am sure they would apply to most large agencies.
1. Caliber has to be 308.
2. Has to be an approved weapon off the list for most major agencies. Our agency lists a few and the Remington 700 is on there.
3. Must have a sling.
1. Caliber has to be 308.
2. Has to be an approved weapon off the list for most major agencies. Our agency lists a few and the Remington 700 is on there.
3. Must have a sling.
Unknown, fair enough... As you may have guessed, I am not a fan... Based on the information I've gathered, tests performed by third parties, a couple of unflattering videos & the obvious price increse, I think I'll stick to stainless as well.
J-ham,
Although I am pleased that my buddy is happy with what he spent his money on, like you, I have NOT had this done to any of my barrels. I like to wait until new technology has been around a while before I take the plunge. Just like new motors for vehicles, I want to make sure they have been around long enough to either prove or disprove themselves and/or the technology they are based on.
A good example is the new Burris laser scopes.If I had purchased right away, my technology would have been quickly antiquated..just look at what they offer now. I guess the tech for firearms is like computer tech too.
Although I am pleased that my buddy is happy with what he spent his money on, like you, I have NOT had this done to any of my barrels. I like to wait until new technology has been around a while before I take the plunge. Just like new motors for vehicles, I want to make sure they have been around long enough to either prove or disprove themselves and/or the technology they are based on.
A good example is the new Burris laser scopes.If I had purchased right away, my technology would have been quickly antiquated..just look at what they offer now. I guess the tech for firearms is like computer tech too.
LTR is hard to beat. Mine is an absolute tack driver as is my buddies
Mine in a Manners MCS-T, Jewell triggerwith a Khales K312
Mine in a Manners MCS-T, Jewell triggerwith a Khales K312
Call GAP and have them build you an xtreme hunter. Scope, mag, sling and the whole nine yards weigh in at nine pounds. There's a couple of other threads showing George with some pretty impressive groups past 1k.
Hell, I'd check out a different school!
Here's a Tikka T3 in 6.5x47 Lapua that I picked up a couple of months ago:
It's got a 24-inch fluted varmint-contour barrel from Benchmark. This rig is a total joy to carry. It's light and short.
But the trade-off is that it's a bit jumpy under recoil - even with a wimpy cartridge like 6.5x47L.
If you're required to use .308, then you don't want to give up too much weight or barrel length (velocity).
What's the maximum range for your class? How much reach do you need?
It's got a 24-inch fluted varmint-contour barrel from Benchmark. This rig is a total joy to carry. It's light and short.
But the trade-off is that it's a bit jumpy under recoil - even with a wimpy cartridge like 6.5x47L.
If you're required to use .308, then you don't want to give up too much weight or barrel length (velocity).
What's the maximum range for your class? How much reach do you need?
I have two 308 guns. One is the FN SPR and one the 20 inch Rem 700 5R. My 5R feels like a featherweight after carrying that SPR.
The Remmy LTR OR 20 inch 5R would be a great choice. Just bed and add Timney then drive tacks.
The Remmy LTR OR 20 inch 5R would be a great choice. Just bed and add Timney then drive tacks.
IMHO, a 'heavy' barrel handles the heat of repeated firing better than the 'lighter' barrel, and that (again IMHO) sustained fire is probably not the hallmark of the trained Sniper. I suspect that in other respects, a heavy barrel becomes as much a liability as an asset.
I would rather put that weight into barrel length than barrel girth if my mandate were to reach out further and deliver a single surgically precise shot. In some respects, the lighter profile barrel may perform better, it sheds its heat sooner when it does get hot. It's my considered belief that bobbing a rifle barrel to improve portability is in direct opposition to that barrels best interests, and that insisting a rifle be wieldy in close quarters is not a sniper driven requirement. I see that as the spotter's issue.
Seen from my viewpoint, Sniper rifles design took a wrong turn somewhere back when range performance overshadowed field performance.
Sniper matches are not what distinguish Snipers. Repeated marksmanship challenges make for a great, fun Sniper match; but even looking in from the outside as I do, I still think the Sniper really makes their bones one that one shot that's never honestly in the repertoire of any other job spec.
Greg
I would rather put that weight into barrel length than barrel girth if my mandate were to reach out further and deliver a single surgically precise shot. In some respects, the lighter profile barrel may perform better, it sheds its heat sooner when it does get hot. It's my considered belief that bobbing a rifle barrel to improve portability is in direct opposition to that barrels best interests, and that insisting a rifle be wieldy in close quarters is not a sniper driven requirement. I see that as the spotter's issue.
Seen from my viewpoint, Sniper rifles design took a wrong turn somewhere back when range performance overshadowed field performance.
Sniper matches are not what distinguish Snipers. Repeated marksmanship challenges make for a great, fun Sniper match; but even looking in from the outside as I do, I still think the Sniper really makes their bones one that one shot that's never honestly in the repertoire of any other job spec.
Greg
GAP did a run of TIS Sniper rifles for me a few years back. They used A5 edge McMillans, Mike Rock fluted barrels and Badger Aluminum standard or M5 bottom metal. They ended up weighing right at 10-11 pounds with NXS 3-5 on them. They shot like my heavy sniper rifles but carried far better.
I have not done any of these since but George/GAP could make you the equal and I bet you would be happy.
I have not done any of these since but George/GAP could make you the equal and I bet you would be happy.
