Manners T4 or T4A?

[Pinecone]

I have decided on a Manners T4 or T4A for my Rem 700 SA. With the Manners Chassis system.

The T4A is adjustable, but since only I will be shooting this rifle, would it make sense to get the T4, then modify the comb as needed?

The same thoughts about the Tubbs adjustable butt piece. Just make mods to fit, then it is done.

I come from sporting clays, where shotgun fitting is normal.

Thanks.

 

[Muskox]

If you are trying to save a buck or two and you never plan on selling the rifle, then perminantly modify it.

If you are thinking that some day you might move it, buy the 4-A.

Personally for me I'd still buy the 4-A, I had originally bought the t-4 and wish I had the A. I was only using a 50mm objective, and I think my centerline to bore height was 1.75. So the stock worked fine, and I had good paralax once I took the stock spacers out to minimum dimensions, and I am 6'0 feet tall.

I ordered mine as follows:

T-4
molded in camo color in black, grey and blue.
2 flush cups left side.
1 sling stud on the forend.
Adjustable butt spacer system

 

[E. Bryant]

I'd go with the adjustable version, since I've been known to swap around scopes and rings in pursuit of the "ideal" setup.

 

[3wide]

If you are trying to save a buck or two and you never plan on selling the rifle, then perminantly modify it.

If you are thinking that some day you might move it, buy the 4-A.

Personally for me I'd still buy the 4-A, I had originally bought the t-4 and wish I had the A. I was only using a 50mm objective, and I think my centerline to bore height was 1.75. So the stock worked fine, and I had good paralax once I took the stock spacers out to minimum dimensions, and I am 6'0 feet tall.

I ordered mine as follows:

T-4
molded in camo color in black, grey and blue.
2 flush cups left side.
1 sling stud on the forend.
Adjustable butt spacer system

Black, grey, and blue? Didn't know you could get those colors, have any pictures?

To the OP I would go with the T4A. Youre already spending $1000 for the T4, if you modify it you kill the value. I though a lot about this too, and even as cheap as I am I sprung for the T2A.
In the grand scheme of things it's not a lot more money.

 

[triceratops3]

I'd say get the adjustable cheek. better to have it and not really need it than not have it and really need it. also, if youre a taller guy you could get the LOP longer if you wish. but the adustable but could be useful if you shoot in a cold climate then you can shorten it when you have multiple layers on.

 

[thrusty]

Hands down, get the adjustable cheek piece. It's better to have and not need then need and not have.

Having to modifying a $1000 custom stock in order to save a $100 is silly - have it done right the first time....But, it is YOUR money and YOUR stock after all.

 

[proneshooter]

Get the adjustable version. I didn't and regret it immensely.

Buy right and cry once.

 

[tylerw02]

Go with adjustable. I've gone with fixed in the past and regretted it.

 

[Frank Green]

T4A!

Your going to want to be able to play/adjust the stock. Having this option you fit the stock better to the shooter. This in the end helps you shoot better!!!!!

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[xXlojackXx]

I'm going against traffic here and saying I went with a T4. Only because the T4a is significantly heavier and it's on a rifle I hunt with. I ended up adding a Kydex cheek piece to have the proper cheek weld without the extra weight. Then after about 3 months, Manners release the Elite Hunter stocks and I kicked myself over that. Go T4a if weight isn't an issue, otherwise look at a fixed stock with possibly adding a stock pack or the Kydex saddle.

 

[proneshooter]

Also, absolutely spring for the adjustable buttplate. However, stay away from the Tubb buttplate. I had one once and it was a piece of junk, would not hold length adjustment without slipping no matter how tightly I cranked on the clamp.

If you want a quality adjustable buttplate, get one from Master Class Stocks: MASTER CLASS Stocks and Shooting Accessories, Inc.

 

[thrusty]

Also, absolutely spring for the adjustable buttplate. However, stay away from the Tubb buttplate. I had one once and it was a piece of junk, would not hold length adjustment without slipping no matter how tightly I cranked on the clamp.

If you want a quality adjustable buttplate, get one from Master Class Stocks: MASTER CLASS Stocks and Shooting Accessories, Inc.

Agreed...My T4A is ordered with adj LOP and adj cheekpiece. All my stock will have these features. Your LOP changes with the type of clothes you wear and your shooting stance - it's worth the money IMHO.

I also agree if weight is a concern, then you compromise. I don't think I'd have a T4/T4A on a light hunting rifle, but I think you see which direction you should go from all the above posts.

 

[AutoEssentials]

I got the T4A, and couldn't imagine going back to a stock with pad to get the right cheek weld again. I agree, buy once cry once!

 

[Pinecone]

Thanks for justifying my spending more money.

OK, so it looks like T4A, with adjustable length of pull.

Worth going to the Limbsaver or is the stock Pac Decelerator fine?

 

[Changed]

Just remember anything that gets in the way of the bore has to come off for cleanings. Adjustable is the quickest solution.

 

[SporterII]

Thanks for justifying my spending more money.

Worth going to the Limbsaver or is the stock Pac Decelerator fine?

Kick EEze? I am going to try one on my next. Wonderful on my Benelli M-1.

 

[Changed]

With the weight of the rifle and a SA cartridge you won't need anythung more thant the stock recoil pad.

 

[jhart2424]

I just bought the T4 w/chassis and had it sent to get painted. I am STUPID!!! I havent even got the stock back and already regret not spending a few extra dollars on the adj. cheek. I broke down and ordered a T5A tonight and i'm just going to sell the T4 when I get it back.

 

[WinMag Elk Control]

I bought a T4 a little over a year ago. It's lighter than the A, but still not a lightweight. I love it! That rifle shoots lights out and if I'm motivated to carry a 15lbs rifle hunting, it will certainly be in an area much flatter and different than my current area at 9000 ft. The stock is all that I hoped it would be. It fits me perfectly and I haven't ever felt a need to adjust it. (Maybe I just got lucky) So what. Sometimes its better to be lucky than good. This year I bought a T3 to carry in the woods. It's no lightweight either, but if you have a stable platform, that doesn't change in varying weather, that can take a beating, looks great and helps you shoot better..... then that's the way to go. You can't go wrong with a Manners product because Tom stands behind everything he sells. And if you bought one and it didn't work out, you could probably negotiate a trade on one that wasn't picked up.

Best of luck to you. Happy Hunting.

 

[thrusty]

Thanks for justifying my spending more money.

OK, so it looks like T4A, with adjustable length of pull.

Worth going to the Limbsaver or is the stock Pac Decelerator fine?

I went with the ADJ LOP with the 1" pad. I didn't spring for a Limbsaver, I agree with folks responding here that if you're shooting a non-magnum short action you'll be fine with the standard pad.
You'd probably be good with the 1/2" too, but I'd rather have too much comfort, than not enough.

 

[EasternNChunter]

Check Stockys for prices and availability. That's where I got my T4A w/ chassis & mags. I had it in less than a week.

 

[s002wjh]

i think the adust, is better

 

[ZombieMonkey]

Go with the adjustable. I would be upset if I hadn't on mine now knowing what I do and having gotten to shoot a lot more. Once I raised that cheek piece up I finally was able to get comfortable behind the rifle as I wasn't straining myself to look thru the glass.

 

[Pinecone]

What is the adjustable LOP setup like?

No pics on the website.

 

[Pinecone]

Check Stockys for prices and availability. That's where I got my T4A w/ chassis & mags. I had it in less than a week.

Thanks, I had looked there briefly, but had not realized that the Badger DBM chassis listing was same thing as the Manners chassis.

Unfortunately, the T4A is out of stock. I can have a T4 immediately.

 

[EasternNChunter]

Wait a few days. They get stuff in almost daily. Depending on what caliber you want, you might want to go with the stock that accepts the M24 contour barrel. That way you can put any sized barrel in it you want down the road. That's what I did on my Sendero and the barrel really didn't look our of place on it. Now Gradous is putting a M24 Krieger barrel on it. I would have been pissed had I ordered the stock for the Sendero and not thought ahead about going to a heavier barrel.

 

[Pinecone]

Good idea.

I did talk to Stocky's and Manners, and Manners will retrofit the adjustable buttpiece for the price of $105 (same price as installed when ordered). About a 2 week turn around.

BTW, Manners is running 16 weeks if you order directly from them.

I will probably back order from Stocky's and hope it shows up sooner.

 

[Changed]

Check eBay. There are over a dozen Manners stocks on there.

 

[Pinecone]

Thanks, no DBM, but EuroOptic has them. Only in various camo finishes.

 

[Swift]

Don't get scared off by the lead times at Manners. If you're going to spend the money anyways, be patient and order it the way you want it. There's nothing worse than buying a $1,000 stock and hating it because you didn't get the proper sling attachments, butt, cheek, color, model, features, etc.

I also vote for the adj version. I get by with the standard butt and a limbsaver but if you have the means, go adjustable there too.

 

[Cacciatore]

I have both. I bought the non adjustable first and put a triad stock pack on it. After the stock pac, the comb height was perfect. For the next build I spent a little more change and bought the adjustable. I could get the comb perfect, but it was rough on my face in the winter. I bought a stock pac for that rifle as well, but now I have to remove the pack and cheekpiece in order to get the bolt out.

 

[Swift]

I have both. I bought the non adjustable first and put a triad stock pack on it. After the stock pac, the comb height was perfect. For the next build I spent a little more change and bought the adjustable. I could get the comb perfect, but it was rough on my face in the winter. I bought a stock pac for that rifle as well, but now I have to remove the pack and cheekpiece in order to get the bolt out.

If you don't mind ruining a good stock pack, cut the padding out of it and tape it to the cheekpiece.

 

[EasternNChunter]

I have yet to see a stock with an adjustable cheek piece that wasn't raised.

 

[Pinecone]

OK, here is what happened.

I missed a great deal on a T-4A here on the Hide.

I called Manners to see if they can retrofit a T4 to a T4A. And they can't. So I can't buy an available T4 and deal with the A later.

BUT, as I was talking to Jaime, she asked what I was looking for, so I told her, T-4A, Rem SA, Manners Mini Chassis. And she tells me they have one available for immediate delivery. Hmm, I just checked and it was not there. Seems she put it up about 2 minutes before.

So I have a T-4A with MCS in Mud coming.

It is not adjustable lneght of pull, but they can add that later with about a 2 week turn around. For the same price as buying it up front.

 

[RobertB]

I have several Manners and a 2 McMillians. All but 2 stocks don;t have adj cheek but I ordered them that way and love em. I started out with all stocks haveing adjustability and don;t get me wrong, I love that with em. The 2 without are my 2 built to be light. And they are the only two that have stock packs on em. All my target rifles I love having options but I like having a tough as nails one piece stock that weighs less on some of my rifles that are used for different purposes.

You have to decide what the rifle will be used for, what type of optics it will have and such. The stock packs and no adjustment stocks don;t feel quite as good to me but I have tested them with well over 1k rounds each and my accuracy doesn;t suffer from not having them. If your fundementals are correct then their should be no difference. The adjustable models make a bit more forgiving but you will pay with a bit more price( which means nothing to me in a 1k$ stock), weight (not much more but onces make pounds), and having a stock that isn;t one piece( manners are still super tough with adjustability and the Terry Cross setup makes them much nicer than my McMillians with the thumb screws and yes I know McMillian has them too, but I swiched to Manners before they were all the rage.)

I think both are great choices but you need to decide what the better choice is. If you don;t go adjustable, it's not a bad choica as it's still a great stock and it can be fixed but for most applications there is nothing like the integral cheek piece, very nice.

Good luck and I'm glad you are looking into Manners. I love to support their great products. I have never bought a manners I regreted.