I am sorry i would say this has been asked 100 times or more and everyone probably has different opinions but here goes. I'm going to buy a new scope for my DTA and don't quite have the money for a S&B so I've narrowed it down to a USO 3.2-17 SN3 TPal or a Premier 3-15. I will be using it for long range shooting mostly probably static targets. I live where there are a lot of mountains so 600 to 800 yards is max distance. Which would you all choose for a .308 DTA and why would you choose it. I have read tons of stuff and still am on the fence. Thanks for your help.
Rifle Scopes USO or Premier
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I have a premier 3x15 light tactical on my GAP non typical. I really like my premier and like the compact size and overall length of the premier on a light hunting rifle.
I have shot steel with it out to 1000 and shot a nice antelope last fall at 625 yds, one shot.
The glass is really nice and clear.
All in all, I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
I have shot steel with it out to 1000 and shot a nice antelope last fall at 625 yds, one shot.
The glass is really nice and clear.
All in all, I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
I have that model USO on a Rem 308 in a KRG chassis and on a 308 Bighorn Bartlein in an AICS. As others have said, either would be a good choice. If I had to knit pick I'd say USO due to the option of an in scope bubble level and the other user configurable options they offer, but thats me.
To my eyes the Premier has the better glass, but I prefer the features, mil-gap reticle, reliability and made in Americaness of the USO. As said before though, with either you will be happy.
holy cow talk about being between a pillow and a soft place! awesome to be choosing between those.
its been said, but you can't go wrong. I went with USO because of the customization options, got an erek knob, color, internal bubble level, etc. if I can snap any pics of something for you let me know
its been said, but you can't go wrong. I went with USO because of the customization options, got an erek knob, color, internal bubble level, etc. if I can snap any pics of something for you let me know
Yea it is a soft place but I've done a ton of research on this. I do agree that I like the USO being made in the US glass and all but I've also hears and read alot about premier glass is almost as clear as S&B. just want to make sure I never regret my decision. Thats alot of money to drop on an optic. Or at least it is for me. But I really think I'm leaning USO simply because of USA built entirly.
someone will probably try to light me on fire for this, but glass quality isn't everything. I'm not saying it isn't hugely important, or that USO is worse than Premier or anything else, I'm just saying don't forget about all the other things youll have to work with on the scope. take glass quality and add knobs, reticles, lighting, zoom range, weight/size and take it all as one picture.
but I don't think youll be upset with glass quality from any of them.
Have you had a chance to look through them? might be worth heading to a place where you could look through each one before dropping $3k and then you can have some first hand piece of mind.
but I don't think youll be upset with glass quality from any of them.
Have you had a chance to look through them? might be worth heading to a place where you could look through each one before dropping $3k and then you can have some first hand piece of mind.
I'd recommend you do that friend! especially if you could do it side by side. I think similarly (easily spent 4 times this money on a truck with much less thought!) and I'd always wonder if I never got to take a look at the other one. looking at them together may get you right off the fence!
if you can't do that though, sleep well knowing both are EXCELLENT choices.
if you can't do that though, sleep well knowing both are EXCELLENT choices.
One of the nice features of the Premier is the cam lock turrets, if you ever plan to make caliber swaps on the DTA rezeroing would be a snap. USO makes a great scope, as does Premier, I have owned many of both, both would serve you well but if I were in the market for a DTA with barrel/caliber swap options, I would pick the PH for that reason alone.
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You me both. I needed a new truck a few years ago, spent a few days looking at my options, and made a purchase. On the other hand, when I begin to plan a rifle, I will spend months researching each unique part, option, spec, etc.
Its a disease and I'm hopelessly infected.
They have a zero stop on the PH. You would just note your POI shift with your different caliber/barrels, lift the cams and make your zero corrections and relock the turrets and return to "zero" on the turrets. The USO has a zero stop as well, but adjustment and changing zero after barrel swaps would be much more difficult.
So once upon a time I was pondering the same question. I already owned a Premier 5-25x56 but I was considering adding a USO to the collection. After posing the question here I was lucky enough to get my hands on a USO demo scope for evaluation and was able to do a side-by-side comparision. While the USO was a nice scope it was sent back and I kept the Premier. The USO had great glass but not to the level of my Premier. The turrets were nice and offered positive clicks, but I prefered the Premier design. The reticle was very fuctional and well designed. But for my purposes the Gen II XR was a better choice.
Now I'm not nocking USO, they make a great product. But for me, if given a choice, there is no question I'll pick Premier every time. Other mileage my vary.
Now I'm not nocking USO, they make a great product. But for me, if given a choice, there is no question I'll pick Premier every time. Other mileage my vary.
And I think that's why you see so many people debating which scope is best and the debate always comes down to glass quality. basically every other feature of a quality scope is up to personal preference to a point, so you can't really say one is definitively better than another. but everyone wants the best glass quality they can get and that can be objectively compared. I just think because of that it gets too much emphasis in the conversation.
matching that DTA capabilities to the unique capabilities of the Premier is a perfect example of things outside glass quality that have a huge impact on making the right choice.
again, not saying glass quality isn't hugely important, just giving my perspective on the common topic.
good luck sageebr24!
matching that DTA capabilities to the unique capabilities of the Premier is a perfect example of things outside glass quality that have a huge impact on making the right choice.
again, not saying glass quality isn't hugely important, just giving my perspective on the common topic.
good luck sageebr24!
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I think either one of them would work well for you, but if you decide to go with the USO, there is a USO certificate for sale in the exchange (I don't know the seller) for $500 off a new scope from them.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/optics-sale/193160-wts-uso-gift-cert-%24500-off.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/optics-sale/193160-wts-uso-gift-cert-%24500-off.html
wow, I figured you were talking about the Premier LT in 3-15. The 3-15 Heritage, the one with the cam turrets ($3,100 retail), is damn near that coveted S&B PMII 3-20x50 at ($3400). If the Schmidt is ultimately the scope you want, and you are only less that 10% away from getting it, my advise would be to save up and get the one your truly want and never look back.
Sometimes you shouldn't believe what everyone says. The F1 is different than the SFP NXS models. I would take one over a USO any day and put it with the Premier.
I have to double down on what Rob01 said...I have 2 x USO SN3's and a couple of Nightforce NXS, an F1 and a Vortex Razor. I have not seen a Premier but I have looked through lots of optics to include Schmidts & Bender's and I can say that the F1 is right up there in class quality. May be not the top but then again it isn't 3k either so I have no issue pulling it out to go and shoot a match with. I am using the MOA reticle (MOAR) on mine and find it rather simple to use and operate. I also find the zero stop on the Nightforce easy to operate. You have all good choices and I would not be saddened or feel I settled with any of your choices.
Dude why limit yourself. Life is short and there is so much nice stuff out there that it really is unfair the stress we must endure when making a decision.
My solution
1. S&B 5-25X56 on my LMT MWS
2. USO 1-8X on my LMT CQB
3. Only other rifle I have left to get is some version of an M40 and when I buy I will have a reason to get a Premier. I'm really interested in trying out their turrets. I'm sure the glass will be great.
There was a great price on a 3-15 just recently on the WTS forum.
My solution
1. S&B 5-25X56 on my LMT MWS
2. USO 1-8X on my LMT CQB
3. Only other rifle I have left to get is some version of an M40 and when I buy I will have a reason to get a Premier. I'm really interested in trying out their turrets. I'm sure the glass will be great.
There was a great price on a 3-15 just recently on the WTS forum.
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My Premier Heritage glass is tiny better than my SB 56m LT, I think you can't go wrong with Premier. I don't know about USO never seen one.
I wish that USO still offered the ergo, and the other reticles that they discontinued. Best parallax adjustment in the biz.
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