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Long barrel - slower powder, short barrel - faster powder?

ivankonev

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Take the Mosin-Nagant 91/30 which has a 29 inch barrel, and the Mosin-Nagant 44 which has a 19 inch barrel. That is a substantial difference. Would it not make sense to use a slow powder like Reloader 19 or 22 or 4350 etc in the long barrel, and a faster powder like H4895 in shorter barrels?

The Mosin 44 gives a large annoying muzzle flash with 91/30 loads.
 
It absolutely makes sense and has been my routine for a while with long and short barreled 308's. Slower powder for the 24", faster powder for the 16.5". Reduces muzzle flash for sure.
 
Ivankonev,

Not as much as you might assume. To begin, I'll say it's a perfectly logical assumption, and it makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, there's a lot of stuff in handloading that turns out to be counterintuitive. What you're really dealing with here is expansion ratio, not just barrel length. Expansion ratio is the volume of the bore and combustion chamber versus that of the combustion chamber alone. While the barrel length will alter the expansion ratio somewhat, case size (capacity) is really the larger factor. In other words, powders that work well in 308cartridges will work well with most barrel lengths, and powders that work well with the big 30 cal magnums, will work best with them in most barrel lengths. Trying to use Retumbo or H1000 in a 308 (or 7.62x54R) just because it has a longer barrel is just going to lead to poor performance. By the same token, using Varget or 4895 in a big magnum because it has a short barrel is also a going to be a problem. Stick with the listed powders for this cartridge, but you may see some improved performance (slightly improved) from the powder in that list that lean towards the faster burning end of the scale.

Like I said, a bit counterintuitive, but if you get the expansion ratio concept, it all makes sense.
 
We use 4831 and mag primers in our 91-30 Mosin's and they are tack drivers . Bullet weight makes a difference in powder choice also . Arnie