Have you seen this sling design before?

[TheSolitaryTraveller]

This is a sling design I saw once and it's single point sling but has a second strap that goes to the other shoulder, looked more comfortable then a normal sling since the weight is baring down on 2 points into of one. So note the first strap loops around back and the second strap goes over the other shoulder, but I don't remember if the rifle connect to the main strap or a bit that comes off it. I should have looked at it more but at the time i was more interested in finding a buyer for the rifle i had to sell.
Anyways heres a MS paint look of what i'm talking about because i couldn't find a picture. note the dots are just a from make this rushed pic.

Anyways any of you know of a sling like that, because it seems like something great for keeping a rifle with a folding stock close in and on the side but also being comfortable.

 

[Da Shooter]

Looks very similar to the Magpul MS3 sling it can be used as a single or two point position.

 

[Tactical]

Its The Patrol Rifle Strap. I designed long ago but only sell these through Triad Tactical

 

[pmclaine]

Savvy Sniper makes something similar but it does not have that part represented by the dash line running under the right shoulder.

Savvy Sniper

 

[Triad]

I would never consider a sling worn like a noose....

The left arm needs to be put through the loop. If worn that way, the offside "support loop" around the right arm is not needed. Also, the offside loop would prevent the single point sling from having the ability to be moved from center line of the body to the transition or administrative position in the drawing.

Big fan of a TRUE single point sling. I used the exact same sling on an almost daily basis on M-4/SBR's, and HK sub guns for 5-6 years.

 

[Tactical]

The PRS should e worn with second loop under arm pit. It was designed so a patrol officer could have a sling on his/her AR and get into and out of quick. Worn the way I describe you can shoot either shoulder how ever a single piece of strap from body armor to weapon is the better single point system if your doing entry or getting into and out of vehicles often, with Heavy Armor on

 

[Papa Zero Three]

Single point slings beat you to death if you move at all without the weapon in hand,even casual walking. Kneeling down to work on a injured buddy or restrain a prisoner leaves your muzzle in the dirt and your weapon flopping about. Fast roping or climbing a ladder leaves you with beat up knees from all the bouncing around. Even doing PSD out of cars, I never found a single point to be of any benefit. The only time I can honestly say a single point sling was useful was while doing window entries while on rappel, thats it. There's a good reason why you haven't seen any of the top instructors advocating or running a single point sling for years...unless they are trying to sell them. In my experience, everyone who tries a single point sling and does more than stand around on the range, eventually ends up going back to a 2 point system.

 

[Triad]

My professional use started with HK factory slings, tried Eagle 3 points for a while before going to single point. I did try the two point quick adjust Viking/Vickers etc for a bit, but went back to the single point. Once the issues mentioned by PO3 were recognized, they were easy for me to avoid. I found that some that have issues with single points, wear them way to low/long. I adjusted the body loop so it was snug over my outer layer, just enough play so I could slide it around myself if I needed my front clear for transition/breaching/handcuffing etc. The "hanger"(part of sling between the body loop and the rifle) was adjusted short as well. Just enough room to allow me to transition the weapon from one shoulder to the other. Ive done all of the things he mentioned, but fast rope, with a single point sling. Ive seen stupid stuff happen with two points slings too ;-)

To each his own, thats why we dont all carry an M9.....

 

[Tactical]

Papa, the single strap to armor, is nice if vehicle gets hit and you have to unass using both hands. It drags weapon with you and makes sure its still attached to you. I ran the single strap to armor when in vehicle and went to two point when outside by means of a HxK hook. I put a piece of elastic across armor in back so I could tuck weapon over shoulder and out of way for arrests and transistion use. When not using single strap I just disconnected from weapon and hooked the strap to armor.

The PRS was designed for LE use where weapon rides in vehicle and you bring it out only when needed. It came after being on scene for a few hours and had the little AR get heavy. I needed a sling that would instantly fit all size officers right now. So it was made to be fully adjustable quickly. Not what I would use for Patrolling with weapon in hand but best solution for LE use I found. I leave attached to fore end by a rubber band so you don't get hung up in Electric Lock and just yank strap to deploy

Nothing beats a good two point system for day in and day out weapon in hands use.
I came up with AR Slip Cuff QR for this use. That has all the adjustments and can still shoot as a rifle sling.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

I adjusted the body loop so it was snug over my outer layer, just enough play so I could slide it around myself if I needed my front clear for transition/breaching/handcuffing etc.

Apparently you have better luck with these than most. I have found that when the body loop is adjusted as you described that if you're wearing body armor with the typical load out of pouches,comms gear , etc that it hangs up,snags on ones kit if you try and rotate it. Even if you manage to rotate it to the weak side, you now have the same issue, a weapon flopping around banging you in your side. I watched a guy take his own butt stock to the mouth when he went to kneel down to emplace a door charge and the muzzle hit the floor first. Then there is the issue of going into the prone with it that tight/snug. From my experience there are just too many negatives to use or recommend them, but as you said, they work for the environment you work in so thats all that matters.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

I ran the single strap to armor when in vehicle and went to two point when outside by means of a HxK hook. I put a piece of elastic across armor in back so I could tuck weapon over shoulder and out of way for arrests and transistion use. When not using single strap I just disconnected from weapon and hooked the strap to armor.

I've done something similar with a breeching shotgun, I've used a weapons catch and the bungee method. I've seen guys run 2 point slings that convert to single points for PSD, I even run one that can convert, but most use it in 2 point 99% of the time or take the sling off entirely while in vehicle to avoid the inevitable snag/hang up issues when exiting quickly.

As you pointed out, for an LE application, I can see how it might work out for an on scene wait outside the car where not a lot of dynamic movement is happening.

Out of all the people who need/use a sling I'd guess that less the 1% need a single point for what they are doing at any given point in time....IMHO.

 

[Chris@InterstateGuns]

Just to stir things up a bit....VTAC slings FTW!