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Rifle Scopes Vortex PST or Leupold VX-R Patrol

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Gunny Sergeant
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Looking at these to add some precision for longer ranges on semi 308. This is for fun toy nothing else, punching paper and steel to include 1 gal water jugs out to 500. I prefer everything about the PST but the small reticle that I find very hard to see and doubtful I could use it with old failing eyes. But I do like the illuminated center dot with ring on the PST for homeland defense. The PST has 64mil adjustment Vs 26 that for the VX-R. The taller turrets are easier to use and adjust, more tactile too on the PST. Glass not really a concern. Price for the PST is better. My conundrum is, I like everything about the PST but the small hard to see reticle so this is why I am now leaning towards the VX-R but its short turret adjustment.

Any beta to help a brother out?

These two only please as these two companies are the only two that I have still have a dealer rep to use.

thanks
 
I too have failing eyes at 65. I have the pst just because of the dot for defense. The quality for the money is outstanding.
 
The reticle on the VX-R is awful. Think of the scope more as a variable mag illuminated red dot optic and you won't go far wrong. I don't think it the answer for precision on a .308, more a run and gun optic for those who want more magnification than a red dot or x3 mag behind a red dot offers.
 
VXR patrol is a mil/mil scope so that 26 you are referencing is mil's and not MOA's. Just to make sure you are comparing the two correctly.

I have a VXR patrol and really like it. Dot is bright enough for daylight. That is one complain I have heard that the PST dot isnt quite bright enough.

I looked at the PST hard, but ultimately decided on the VXR Patrol. I dont think you can go wrong either way really. So far everybody that has shot my gun with the VXR Patrol on it has also really liked it and I think I sold 1 or 2 of the guys on it. Made 1st round hits on a 2 liter soda bottle at 300 yards with XM193 after zero'ing it.

As far as the reticule thats personal preference IMO for any scope. I am not somebody that uses the subtensions with any regularity(although I do know how to use them and could employ them if needed) I choose to dial for distance.
 
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Thanks, I am not looking for pure precision dissecting of a target at ranges, just want the ability to over my EoTech keeping some sort of illuminated ring and dot similar to the EoTech, I just cannot see most of the PST reticle. Most of my shooting right now is 100 or less. I used a fixed 3 power hunting for decades out to 400+ with never needing more magnification, I like the smaller profile and weight. I do have my bolt gun for stretching it out and dialing in precision, I just prefer semi now...mo fun.

I will go with PST as it was my first choice I do prefer everything about it better just the hard to see ret but yep, not use the subtensions much and according to my understanding of specs, the PST is 64 mils adjustment (220 moa) the Patrol is 26 mils (90moa).

Again thanks
 
The PST are a great scopes so are the VXR Patrol. The PST there turrets are a little more friendly do to the fact you can see what REV you are on but they are tall. The VXR turrets are very low profile and I like this myself for a hunting and they look sleeker (I would like to see for VXR with a 0-Stop).

The PST has a nice looking RET. The VXR daytime illumination has it advantages for close up and for speed shooting.

The glass on both is on par.

Hope this helps. We sale both makes so if we can be of help please let me know.

Mike CSTACTICAL
 
In my personal opinion the Viper PST is much more worth it. I have a Viper HS on my .308 rifle, and that's a step below the PST series. I don't have a single complaint about my scope. If you want to go with the Leupold I would recommend a VX-6 or the Mark series. Those would probably be the closest to the quality you would get from the PST.
 
Not sure if this helps or not, but here's a pic of the VX-R Patrol 3-9x40's TMR reticle unlit looking at a piece of paper (8.5x11") at a range of 420 yards. The reticle is really thick as you can see, almost too thick for precision shooting past 500 yards. If you have trouble seeing the PST's reticle, this would be of help. I liked the Leupold, it was great for my 308 AR until I started shooting further and wanted more magnification, the thick reticle worked really well for fast shots on moving targets like coyotes.

Don't judge the glass based on this pic, it was taken with an iPhone 3GS freehanded.

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Ive had both and would give the vote to the Vortex especially when it comes to CS. Both are good for that but Vortex smokes Leupold in regards to efficiency.
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Were you looking at the 1-4 only or what power range were you considering?
 
i had the 3-9 patrol and i thought it was horrible. the reticle was too thick, looked like a 3 year drew it, and didn't track.

i'd look at the 2.5-10 pst

no scope has 64 mils of adjustment, the 3-9 patrol had 16.5 mils, the 2.5-10 pst has 25 according to specs. my 4-16 has 23.4

i think the patrols are junk for the $$
 
I have never used a Viper PST other than firing maybe 20 rounds out of a friend's rifle with it, but have a VX-R patrol. I like it overall, but there are a few weaknesses. The turrets move very easily. Too easily. They are easy to knock off your zero when you don't intend to. They drag on anything, and they have moved. There is no indicator on what revolution you're on, and no zero stop - so you can get a rev off really easily. I actually put a small piece of duct tape around part of the turret to keep it from moving (since I keep it in a bag in my patrol car in a QD mount). It's ugly, but it works. If it had any type of zero stop, it would be a non-issue, but it doesn't. I really wish it did. Another thing is the small crosshairs of the reticle are too thick for really precise shooting with small targets. It covers up a lot of target. The one mil and half mil hashes are hard to distinguish from one another. Get in a hurry, and your holdover could be off.

It's not all bad, though. The lower turrets are better IMO. I don't want a turret sticking up an inch for most of what I do. The mil/mil is the way to go. I like the fact that it is SFP for the 3-9 mag range. In low light the thick reticle up close is easy to see, even without the dot on. That brings me to the dot. The dot on this thing kicks ass. It's almost aimpoint bright, and hard to turn on by accident. Numerous settings that I found useful from full daylight to just ambient light in town. Did I mention the dot is awesome? When the thick reticle is giving me trouble trying to shoot little groups, turning on the dot (which is smaller than the thickness of the reticle, BTW) and all of the sudden I'm cured. The firedot makes this scope. The magnification ring is much better than that of the Mk4s. The scope is realatively small and light compared the Nightforce I have on my bolt gun.

Although subjective and individual preference, I thought the glass, eye relief, and eye box on the Luppy were much more user-friendly that the PST. The brightness and clarity really stood out as much better, and the eye relief and eye box might just be what I'm used to. The PST I shot with was of a higher magnification range, so it's kinda apples and oranges.

The VX-R really needs a zero stop. It really needs the turrets to be a little more stiff (TWSS). The thin crosshairs need to be a little thinner (and honestly, at the same time the outer, thicker part could stand to be a little thicker, IMO). They'd have a great little DMR-type scope if they did those things for the same price point. I'd buy another in a heartbeat if they did.

I'd look through both before I bought one or the other. I wasn't floored by the view from the PST when I shot with it (it surprised me, since I had heard so much good from them). It may be fine for what you want.
 
Thanks team, every insight here is what I needed, unless something changes, its the PST once I get my hands on it. I want to replace an EoTech but have near the same ret that can be used or more better used out to 500.

thanks again