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12 months...I found a natrual testosterone booster that works!!

BgBmBoo

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Well it has been over 12 months since I started my search for a natural testosterone booster. I thought I might share my experience here and maybe this can help others.
Below is what I found that works and what does not work for ME. Please note that this was just for ME. And outside of some blood test along the way, all I did was trial and error and keeping a running journal of my experiences. Please take this info for what it is....a VERY NON-SCIENTIFIC search for improving MY health naturally without prescription drugs. I wanted something that would give me balanced results. I mean I was not seeking a sexual enhancer, or workout enhancer, etc. Just something to give me a bit of a "lift" all around.

A little about me. I am 43. 6'2". currently 205lbs. I try and eat healthy(er) but do indulge in pasta, bread, etc., from time to time. And a slice of cheese cake maybe once a month. No fast food. I do not drink coffee, soda's, alcohol, or tea. I do take a men's multivitamin, concentrated garlic, and fish oil daily.
I workout with free weights 4 times a week and do 30 min a day on the elliptical machine. I am far from being in "great" shape, but consider myself healthier then the average joe.

So last May I went and had a full physical and labs done. Overall the doc says I am in very good cond. I have been doing blood work to keep an eye on my testosterone for the last few years. In that time frame my T levels were around 500. Considered "normal" by normal health standards. I will not go into the whole T level debate here...there is a whole thread here about that if you search for it. I personally felt it should be higher. So I set out looking for something that I could buy OTC without a prescription.

I started by researching all I could about "natural" T boosters. I can tell you that 95% of the crap being sold out there is just that...crap with no noticeable effect or increase in T levels.

I tried the following:

ZMA
Tribulus
Zinc
D-Aspartic Acid
Horny Goat Weed
Maca
Tongkat Ali

I only used those supplements in the "purest form" I could find. Not the mixed blends sold as "male enhancement" pills,etc. I did a blood test for T levels before starting to use these supplements and after 30 days.

Out of all of those the Tongkat Ali was the first one that I actually "felt" like it was having some kind of effect. Tongkat Ali is a extract from the root of the eurycoma longifolia shrub. And in a lot of countries where it is grown, it is a protected plant. So there are lots of fake and low quality forms of it out there.

So after 3-4 days I felt I had more energy. My sex drive seemed to be higher then normal. Working out was about the same, but I noted in my journal I seemed to have a bit more stamina.

Now I will say this, because while I did not look for a T booster for a "sexual enhancer"...higher T levels generally will lead to being hornier. And some folks maybe are looking for a T booster for sexual performance. Nothing wrong with that at all. So read on.

As for the sexual side of it...the Tongkat seemed to work well as far as harder erection and bigger load when ejaculating. Without going to far into this, up until a few years ago I had VERY big "loads". Think Peter North type ejaculation.
So with the Tongkat it did seem like there was something to it actually raising T levels. At least it felt that way when I got off.

But...after about a week I just did not seem to feel the effects as much. After reading about Tongkat Ali I found out your supposed to cycle it. 3 days on 2 days off,etc.
So I started cycling it but after 3 weeks I did not really feel it was doing anything. I did another week then off for another blood draw. Guess what? At the start of using the Tongkat Ali my T level was 498. 30 days of the Tongkat and my T levels were 534. Not much if any increase. The slight elevation in T level could be due to anything. So on to the next thing...

It should also be noted that finding high quality Tongkat is VERY hard. And it is expensive. I was using the 1:200 at 1500mg a day. Price was around $300 for a 1 1/2 month supply!

Well I am sure we have all seen or heard of Horny Goat Weed. It is one of the most widely used ingredients in sexual enhancement pills,etc. But like most of the ingredients in those pills, they use a very low level amount. And the straight Horny Goat Weed you find in health food stores is only 10-20%. And even the "high quality" and high dosage HGW is questionable.

I started researching HGW and found the active ingredient is icariin. Again this is a plant extract. And getting a very high quality, high concentrate is very hard to come by.
After a bunch of research I ordered a months supply from a company claiming theirs was 60% icariin at around $80.00 per 90 caps. Within 4-5 days of starting it at double recommended dosage I felt that I could feel a positive effect. I felt I had a bit more energy. My workouts felt "better" and I seemed to want to push myself more.
The sexual side seemed good as well. I felt...you guessed it...hornier! Unlike the Tongkat, the icariin did not seem to taper off. So far so good. But...lets see what the blood test says. Starting T levels were at 509. 30 days of of the icariin and my T levels were at 583. Hmm...better but still not really worth the $80.00.

Now my search for a higher potency icariin started. After LOTS of searching and samples I was able to get my hands on some 98% icariin direct from the manufacturer. I had to buy a kilogram! And it is NOT cheap at all. But...

I finally received my kilo in the mail. Off for another blood draw...starting to feel like a pin cushion....starting T levels 479. I started with taking 50mg three times a day. After 4-5 days I could feel the effects. Week two I upped it to 100mg three times a day. Oh yeh! about 3-4 days into the higher dosage and I can for sure feel it. Lots of energy. My workouts are great! I am not as tired and can really push myself.

On the sexual side...umm...year...it does the trick! Icariin is a natural PDE-5 inhibitor...works the same way Viagra works. And like the Tongkat, it gave me the big ejaculate. But what I found interesting was that if I did not have sex for 2 days or more I would get a heavy feeling and ache in my testicles like i did when I was in my 30's and younger. Followed by really hard erections.
So it was defiantly doing good in that area.

Well for week three I upped the dose to 200mg three times a day. Now at that level it did give me a lot of "energy". Like a coffee buzz I get on the rare times I have drank coffee. So this is something to think about if you have trouble sleeping already,etc.

I decided and have stayed with two 200mg doses and a last of the day (5pm) dose of 150mg. This seems to be the sweet spot for me.

Ok...that is great you say, but what about T levels??? Well after 30 days and another blood draw my T level was....ready for this?...712! Now I am thinking to myself...hmmm...no way right? I ask my doc if that is the same test,etc. I go to the same lab for my blood draws. He said yes and asked what have I changed in my eating habits,etc. I gave him the run down on what I was using. He really did not offer up much one way or the other. But he said it could be a fluke. I asked again for another lab slip and continued my 550mg a day. I waited 45 days since the last blood draw. I received the results. My T levels are 728.

I can tell you I have added 45 lbs to my bench press since taking the icarrin. 20 lbs to my arm workouts. My sex drive is fantastic (ask my wife!). And I generally feel more balanced and energetic.

The icariin has worked so well for me that I shared it with two buddies. They have had similar results. So much so that they have bought a bunch from me making it less expensive for myself.

There is a lot of info about icariin to be found if you search for it. Do your own research. What I do recommend if you want to try it is to only go with the 98%. The lower quality icariin does not seem to work as well. And most published studies are based on the 98%.

Again....this is just my own experience and worth exactly what you paid for it. Maybe this can help someone or maybe not.


Take care,Stan
 
Well post up the cost per month/dosage/etc, then check back on occasion to have your levels checked to see if it keeps going, very interesting, can't recall what t levels are high to low etc. but always heard 'test is best' lol
 
Thanks for the background / personal experience. I recently just changed my eating habits and I'm interested in gaining lean muscle mass while dropping some body fat. Also in my early forties, so I've been interested in supplements (amino's, T, etc).

Any recommended source?
 
Hi folks.
Wow....lots of PM's and emails about this.

I buy direct from the far east. It is the only place I have found where I can get the 98% from. Just make sure you impress upon them you will have it tested by third party sources.
Most places I had contacted had no problem with that and stood behind the quality. Others made a big deal of saying that was not necessary and that their product was good,etc. I did not mess with those companies.

All the places I contacted require a 1 kilo minimum order. A kilo costs on avg $3500.00. I have a few buddies here in town who liked how it works for them so we now split it up so the price is not that bad.

Depending on the dose you respond to/use it can cost $40-80 per month broken down. I am taking 550mg a day split into three doses. I have a buddy who is using 200mg a day with good results. And one who is using 1 gram a day. He has used a LOT of steroids over the years so I think that is why he needs the large dose.

Everyone is different so the dose will be different for each person. It takes about 4-5 days to start to feel the effects. Then to adjust the dose. For me anything over 550mg a day causes me to get anxious and irritable. I have been taking the 550mg a day for awhile and it does not seem like my body is getting accustomed to it...a good thing. I am going to wait another month or two and have another blood test for my T levels just to see. But so far so good.

As I stated above it comes in 1 kilo powder form. So a digital food scale that measures in the milligrams is needed. These can be had online for $20.00 or so.

Take care,Stan
 
I did get a bottle of the 60%. Ummm.....well it did not produce the results for ME that the 98% does. And the color was a brownish color and very bitter tasting. The higher purity stuff is a light yellow and has just a little bitterness in taste. I don't even taste it anymore. I dissolve the stuff I take in a few ounces of water. I could never do that with the lower % stuff. It all tasted very bitter or tasted like hay.

The 5g of 98% on the Amazon link might be worth trying just to see if it works for you. If you get some please post your results and maybe take a picture of it.

I have had a bunch of folks contact me and I am putting together a list and will be selling some samples to those folks. It will be around the price as the 60% listed above.

One thing to really watch out for is the lower %/ cheaper stuff is reported to be really high in heavy metals. Folks report headaches,etc. from it. I tried some of the 20% stuff and did get a headache. And I am not prone to headaches. There are 100's of companies selling the 10-40% icariin (Horny Goat Weed) out there. But who knows about the quality and what is the other 90-60% filler is?

Take care,Stan
 
Testing of the lower % blends gives mixed results because you don't get a good idea of the other stuff the icariin is mixed with is doing. Most the better thought of supplement companies are sticking with 40-60% blends because they get consistent results and the cost isn't as prohibitive as the 98%. The higher grade icariin the lighter in color it will be. Really high grade 98% will be a light yellow to near white, and they get darker the lower % you go.
 
I received my Liftmode 98% Icariin last week. For now I am going with 100 mg twice a day, and it is definitely already giving me more energy. I have been back to working out and running pretty hard for the last 3 months, and I have significantly more energy the last 2 days than I have had in a long time. I was also dealing with a little depression (I was a weepy bitch) for a while, and the Icariin feels like it has taken the edge off. It is a light yellow, super fine powder. The only drawback is that it taste pretty bad, I am taking it with 4-5 ounces of water and may cut it back to just enough to get it dissolved.
 
I received my Liftmode 98% Icariin last week. For now I am going with 100 mg twice a day, and it is definitely already giving me more energy. I have been back to working out and running pretty hard for the last 3 months, and I have significantly more energy the last 2 days than I have had in a long time. I was also dealing with a little depression (I was a weepy bitch) for a while, and the Icariin feels like it has taken the edge off. It is a light yellow, super fine powder. The only drawback is that it taste pretty bad, I am taking it with 4-5 ounces of water and may cut it back to just enough to get it dissolved.

are you taking once in the morning and once at lunch?

have you noticed any effects with libido or eretion?
 
Once in the morning then around 2. havent noticed a significant difference in libido, but part of that is I am still dealing with a break-up.
 
I received my Liftmode 98% Icariin last week. For now I am going with 100 mg twice a day, and it is definitely already giving me more energy. I have been back to working out and running pretty hard for the last 3 months, and I have significantly more energy the last 2 days than I have had in a long time. I was also dealing with a little depression (I was a weepy bitch) for a while, and the Icariin feels like it has taken the edge off. It is a light yellow, super fine powder. The only drawback is that it taste pretty bad, I am taking it with 4-5 ounces of water and may cut it back to just enough to get it dissolved.
With water it will be bitter, but if you mix it into something else like a protein shake or smoothie you won't even taste it.
 
I would try upping your dose to three times a day. Myself and the folks here that have been using take it three times a day as well. I do morning, noon(ish) and around five in the evening. It took me a few weeks to find the dose that worked best for me. I am at 550mg a day. 200 in the morning and noon. And 150mg at five. If I take it later then that I sometimes have trouble falling asleep.
I to have noticed I do not have as many mood swings since I have been taking it as well. And other positive effects. It truly is pretty amazing stuff.

As for the bitter taste...they batch I have has very little bitter taste to me. I take it dissolved in just a ounce or two of water. And now that I have been taking for so long I don't even taste it.

And for the folks on the list...the order should go through today or tomorrow. I will notify everyone as soon as it shows up.

Take care,Stan
 
Not sure what insurance you have or age, but usually orals are adding to the kidney and liver stresses, anything wrong with a bottle or gel of test from the doc? probably cheaper/easier/healthier as long as your not a pro ball player, funny how there are commercials for the stuff but people consider it cheating even when its not against the rules.
 
are you taking once in the morning and once at lunch?

have you noticed any effects with libido or eretion?

I take it three times a day as do most of the folks around here that are using it. Yes! libido has increased and erections are good and many (see my original post). If you where to use it as a ED type supplement, I would do a large dose (500mg+) prior to sex.
Icariin has very similar function (PDE-5 inhibitor) as those little blue pills. You really should do some research on icariin if your interested.


Normally oral pharmaceutical meds taken for T are hard on you kidneys and liver. That is why it is wise to have normal blood work done. So far during my use of the icariin my blood work levels have improved across the board. Including liver and kidney levels.

Levels prior to starting icariin:

Total cholesterol 208
BUN/Creatinine (kidneys) 17
ALP (liver) 81
ALT (liver) 44
PSA 0.3

Latest results:

Total cholesterol 189
BUN/Creatinine (kidneys) 9
ALP (liver) 63
ALT (liver) 31
PSA 0.3

I have not changed my diet. Work out with more weights, and changed some routines, but the days I workout have stayed the same.

So for me it has been all positive. With the blood work to back it up. And no...I do not have any health insurance, so prescription T would be expensive for me. Plus in my case I do not feel my T levels are low enough to warrant. I know the 200 point jump in T levels has me feeling much better mood, energy, sexually,etc. wise. I am going to stick with the icariin for awhile.

Take care,Stan
 
Thanks BgBmBoo

I also ordered liftmode's 98% Icariin and felt the exact same way as audeuce02 - it tasted bitter. I tried just 2 times and didn't know if I should continue or not.

Also it was a bit embarrassing to take it in the office after lunch as it got my colleagues very curious.

Is it ok to take it in the night?
 
I try to take my last dose around five. Anything after that tends to interfere with my sleep. But I am a light sleeper anyways and it might effect you differently. Try it and see. Report back and let us know.

Take care, Stan
 
Ok folks, I received a tracking number and a delivery date of this Friday for the new batch of icariin. I will PM those who got on the list, so check you inbox.

Also....my inbox was full but I cleared it out so I can receive PM's again if you need to contact me.

Take care,Stan
 
I have the liftmode stuff as well. I've tried dissolving this in water and fruit juice but it's not easily dissolved. I just put it in and 'shot' the juice and no taste...

I've been doing 100mg a day in two doses and notice a real uplift in energy and 'buzz' for a couple hrs afterwards. I've not hit the weights yet as work has been crazy but, I've not been exhausted from it. I've upped to 200mg now and will be hitting the weights today. I want to add 45lbs to my bench like Stan did - THAT would be great!

Stan, let me know when you need me to send payment for your stuff, I'd be interested to compare the two. It seems the costs are comparable so let's see which one performs.
 
I use the liftmode and put 100mg into protein shakes, usually 3 shakes a day. I've noticed energy, better sleep, accelerated libido, and suppression of whatever it is that makes your stomach jingle when you're anxious.
 
Great information. I will give Icariin a try. My T levels are in the mid 200's. I currently take a prescription testosterone lotion for the inner thighs. Shit is expensive at $140/month. Its good to know other options exist. My Dr. did not mention anything about Icariin. Thanks again!
 
Ok everybody. I received the latest shipment of icariin. I have PM'ed those of you on the list. If you did not receive a PM that means I will be contacting you when the next batch shows up.

If you did receive a PM but have changed your mind, PLEASE let me know so I can offer to others who are waiting.

Take care, Stan

PS..here is a pic of what the 98% looks like.

 
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Ok gang...for those who bought and mailed in your payments, most of it has shipped and you should have it buy now or will have it any day. Please post up results after a week or so of taking it. I know there is a lot of interest in it.

For those who missed out on this last batch and want more, or to try it, just drop me a PM. I should be ordering more in a week or two.

Take care, Stan
 
Since this is not water soluble is the best way to administer this to just ingest it orally? Taste fine IMHO



Thank you
 
I take it with just a couple of ounces of water. I am using 200mg twice a day and 150mg before dinner. It does desolve in water if you stir it up.
Other folks mix it with juice or put it in their protein shakes.

Take care, Stan
 
I just thought I would bump this up in the hopes that some of the folks that have received their icariin will share their results and thoughts so far.

I am still receiving PM's about it and I am sure others would like more opinions.


Take care, Stan
 
I'm new here. Any more responses from the guys trying this? I'd really like to try it myself. I read online in a few places that the liftmode 98% icariin is actually tongkat Ali and says so on the label. Maybe that is why it tastes so much more bitter than Stan's? Can anyone who is using the liftmode confirm that? I'd really like to get some actual 98% icariin. Thanks.
 
I sent Liftmode an email regarding the labeling and they responded saying the tongkat ali labeling was an error by the company that makes their labels and the new batch's of the icariin should reflect this.
I ordered a 5 gram batch of icariin directly from Liftmode which was actually cheaper than ordering it off the Amazon site and I used the free shipping option which only added about 2 days over the priority shipping (at $7) but I still got USPS tracking info.
My order (according to the USPS tracking site) is to be delivered 10/15/13. Anixious to give it a try and I will post results.
Anyone else have any other info regarding the Liftmode icariin?
Also, I see the Liftmode Icariin comes with a 1/32nd teaspoon scoop...................how many scoops do you take?
 
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$3500??! damn, it's a hell of a lot cheaper to just go on TRT through a Dr. and that is pharm grade.
 
BgBmBoo,

Have you noticed any mood changes since you've been taking this?

Is there any left you can still sell to other members? I'd be interested in jumping in if so.

Thanks!
 
I do not have any for sale right now. I am compiling a list and hope I an order more soon. I will let you know.

As for moods....it actually has made me less moody. I sleep better and seem to have less swings in my moods.

I did want to address something here. There seems to be a misunderstanding about icariin. It is NOT a replacement for those suffering from low T.
If your body is not producing T, then you would need to get on HRT. But, if like many....myself included...who wants a boost in T, this is a good way to do it IMHO.

Take care, Stan
 
I do not have any for sale right now. I am compiling a list and hope I an order more soon. I will let you know.

As for moods....it actually has made me less moody. I sleep better and seem to have less swings in my moods.

I did want to address something here. There seems to be a misunderstanding about icariin. It is NOT a replacement for those suffering from low T.
If your body is not producing T, then you would need to get on HRT. But, if like many....myself included...who wants a boost in T, this is a good way to do it IMHO.

Take care, Stan

Im fine with that; my T isn't low, but a boost like you got out of it sounds good.
 
I'm new here. Any more responses from the guys trying this? I'd really like to try it myself. I read online in a few places that the liftmode 98% icariin is actually tongkat Ali and says so on the label. Maybe that is why it tastes so much more bitter than Stan's? Can anyone who is using the liftmode confirm that? I'd really like to get some actual 98% icariin. Thanks.

I just ordered and received the 98% Icariin from Liftmode. The container label on the one I received does say:
"HGW Extract (Epimedium sagittatum) (areial plant) (98% Icariin)
It also came with a Certificate of Analysis that says when tested it was 98.16%
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Just started taking it........will give results after a few days
 
As a professional who is knowledgable about HRT, save your money and stay away from all of these "boosters". If you think you might be a candidate for HRT then see a physician who specializes in anti aging medicine and HRT. The only way to access both the need and the efficacy of hormonal treatment is a properly qualified physician and proper blood and urine lab tests.

If its over the counter it likely doesn't work and it also likely has significant problems with contaminants.

I don't know specifics about this supplement being discussed but I do know there are serious negative issues with most of these on the market.

Just my opinion. In no way does this reflect any medical advise.
 
12 months...I found a natrual testosterone booster that works!!

Just my opinion. In no way does this reflect any medical advise.
It's an educated opinion, from someone who knows, that you can take to the bank.
 
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What is the normal range for T by age?

Testosterone levels for a given age group is a very difficult question to answer. It really does vary on a variety of other circumstances such as genetics, other comorbid medical conditions as well as medications that are also taken that can have significant effects on the body's ability to produce natural testosterone.
Traditional levels of total testosterone range from a little 300 ng/dL to 900 ng/dL
However I consider FREE testosterone levels to be a much more accurate indicator of testosterone health due to this specific test measurement of actual bioavailable testosterone.
Free testosterone actually takes into account the levels of pending proteins in the serum and therefore this particular level will be more accurate in gauging the actual level of testosterone that is available to the various tissue receptors in the body.
Free testosterone levels should be at a range anywhere from 14 to 22 ng/dL I will generally try to achieve approximately 20 -21ng/ deciliter of free testosterone in most of my patients. At this level most men who are symptomatic generally will have significant improvements in there both somatic and non-somatic complaints.
However another very important hormone to follow for anyone on hormonal replacement is the level of estrogen. Most of us think that estrogen is a female only hormone and while it is true that women's level of estrogen are significantly higher than a man's, it's very important that men who receive supplemental testosterone also have their estrogen levels followed very closely. Testosterone is naturally broken down to estrogen as well as other metabolites and if not monitored then a variety of side effects will likely occur. Estrogen also has significant cardiac protective benefits that if it falls too low will also see a significant increase in cardiovascular mortality.
If estrogen is significantly high after institution of testosterone supplementation then I usually recommend a aromatase inhibitor to reduce the conversion from testosterone to estrogen. However the dose and frequency of the aromatase inhibitor needs to be monitored in order to not drop the estrogen level too low which would increase the patient's risk of cardiac morbidity. I generally try to have a mail this region between 18 to 22 ng/dL.
Sorry about the long-winded explanation but it really just scratches the surface of this type of treatment that I believe one properly diagnosed and properly treated can be a significant benefit to many men. However it just goes to prove the point that over-the-counter supplements weather affecting on my levels or not is like shooting from your hip in the dark and expecting to land a good center of mass hit
Again not my posts are NOT intended to be for any type of medical advice and in no way should be construed as any medical instructions. Of course you need to contact your own physicians or health providers in regards to your own health care.
 
Great write up! Tag for when I start having those problems! Lol

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The results of what you did are quite interesting. What I would like to know is the effect of not using it anymore.
Your T level boosted over 200 points from a base of 500. If you could not get this product anymore what would your natural base level go to. If it went down to 500 then this is a safe product. However if it went drastically lower than 500 I would be afraid to become dependant on it.

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All I do in this dept. is exercise, try to eat healthy enough, and take a zinc picolinate supplement a few times a week. I figure I'm getting older and that is just the way it is. Anyway, at 54 I'm glad not to be on that horse all the damn time like when I was younger. I remember that nightmare. My whole body was blue all the time. As for excercise, I figure if I can still pass basic military physical fitness requirements for my age then that should be good enough.

Air Force Physical Fitness Standards
 
I just got some from Liftmode. Lets see if it helps. At 42 my T levels are fine but would love more energy. Ive been on it a week now.
 
I just got some from Liftmode. Lets see if it helps. At 42 my T levels are fine but would love more energy. Ive been on it a week now.

Curious. Notice any effects from the Liftmode icariin yet? How many doses do you take during the day and at what mg's?

I've been taking mine for about a week also. When I take mine in the a.m (100mg's) on an empty stomach I feel a little head rush.
In the afternoon I take another 100 mg's and when I lift afterwards I do feel some what more energy and a better pump.
I take another 50mg's in the evening for a total of about 250mg's per day.
 
Ive been taking 3 of the measures in the am and one at night. Not sure if its enough but Ive had a sinus infection for a week and just starting to get better. Tomorrow is the first day back to train. Ive haven't noticed any effect yet. How much do you take?
 
Ive been taking 3 of the measures in the am and one at night. Not sure if its enough but Ive had a sinus infection for a week and just starting to get better. Tomorrow is the first day back to train. Ive haven't noticed any effect yet. How much do you take?



take 2 spoonfuls in the morning on an empty stomach which gives me a light headed feeling. Another 2 spoonfuls in the afternoon and 1 in the evening. Since the spoon that comes with the liftmode is, according to the label, 50 mg, I guess I'm taking about 250 - 300 mg.

I've been taking for about a week now. I do feel a little more of a pump that seems to last longer but at this point don't know if the overall effects are worth purchasing again. Will have to see as I continue taking.
 
I sent Liftmode an email regarding the labeling and they responded saying the tongkat ali labeling was an error by the company that makes their labels and the new batch's of the icariin should reflect this.
I ordered a 5 gram batch of icariin directly from Liftmode which was actually cheaper than ordering it off the Amazon site and I used the free shipping option which only added about 2 days over the priority shipping (at $7) but I still got USPS tracking info.
My order (according to the USPS tracking site) is to be delivered 10/15/13. Anixious to give it a try and I will post results.
Anyone else have any other info regarding the Liftmode icariin?
Also, I see the Liftmode Icariin comes with a 1/32nd teaspoon scoop...................how many scoops do you take?

Great. So it sounds like even if you receive one of the older containers labelled as "tongkat Ali", they are saying that it is actually icariin. Is that right? Thanks.