Advanced Marksmanship 600 yards finally!

[relentless1]

Just want to say THANKYOU to all the hide replys to help me get out to shooting farther ranges quicker than I thought I would! My friend and I have been and still are, knee deep in bullistics , handloading for long range and getting ourselves and Bruno 300 win mag ready for 1000 yards. We finally got the green light at 200, and moved on out, hitting several x rings at 600 for the first time, and all our groups were inside of 3/4 MOA !
Now off to 1000! We accomplished this in about 2 months time, shooting on weekends only, broken scope, borrowed scope then flying off during recoil, and bloody nose, new NightForce scope purchased, and further bullistics mysteries solved!
Thanks for the possitive and informative feedback!
Thankyou for all the help!

 

[ShtrRdy]

Wow! You sound like a fast learner!

I just got out to 600 yd after building my skills over a 9 month period.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Shooting at long range reveals angular marksmanship errors which are masked at less distance; but, what's important to putting them all in there at 100 yards or 1000 yards is the same. What's important is to make the relationship between the shooter, gun, and ground consistent and to adjust the sights correctly to counter effects of drag, gravity, wind, and weather.

Shooters getting into long range who do not have an understanding for what's important to good shooting can sometimes still shoot well at short range but the angularity of their errors will have a consequence as the distance to target increases. These shooters typically associate good shooting to equipment, so their bad results at longer distances are blamed on equipment, and loads, if not wind, when in fact it's simply poor basic marksmanship which precludes the results to something less than what was expected. Thing is, since these folks think they know how to shoot, they're not interested in any marksmanship training, other than training labeled long range. Too bad since a course in basic marksmanship would actually give these shooters more resources to success, that's to say, they would learn how to hit targets at long range without the aid of scope and bipod.

 

[hiddenmongoose]

some shooters have absolutely no interest in shooting without scope and/or sling.

 

[relentless1]

Sterling, I started out by saying that we were getting ourselves ready, as well as all other things involed. Of course marksmanship practice is the first and foremost inportment factor in ALLshooting ! I assumed we all agree on this fact?

 

[relentless1]

Well, if it was, nt for the help of my friend and his knowledge of shooting and loading, as well, and cost sharing, it would have taken much longer, if not at all!
Thanks for your happiness for us!!

 

[Sterling Shooter]

I'm glad you are getting out there and are having fun with it all. What I'm pointing out is that since all shooting is the same you have nothing to loose by taking it to the longest distance right now. The experience will expose your inconsistencies which will show you what you need to work on.

 

[F-TROOP]

some shooters have absolutely no interest in shooting without scope and/or sling.

Shot out to 600 yards hitting 4 out of five shots on a chest size steel plate.

Weapon: M1A

Optic: iron sights

Sling: none

Ammo: 7.62x51 mm full metal jacket

Grouping: chest size

 

[hiddenmongoose]

Shot out to 600 yards hitting 4 out of five shots on a chest size steel plate.

Weapon: M1A

Optic: iron sights

Sling: none

Ammo: 7.62x51 mm full metal jacket

Grouping: chest size

And your point is ? good for you you shot iron sights.guys do it everyday.

 

[relentless1]

Sorry, did not mean to start a fire... lets all lighten up!?

 

[milo 2.0]

Good shooting rl, just having the confidence knowing you can do something will help. When you go for 1k, try have targets at 7,8,&9 also, just helps to work out to it. Lobbing lead and maybe picking up a hit or two really isn't where it's at. Pick a nice day, failing doesn't do anything for a guy, and you wont have learned why either, other than it was too windy.

 

[Strykervet]

Shot out to 600 yards hitting 4 out of five shots on a chest size steel plate.

Weapon: M1A

Optic: iron sights

Sling: none

Ammo: 7.62x51 mm full metal jacket

Grouping: chest size

Now try it with a sling.

Like the fellow said above about angular measurement. A sling will minimize the group more (and if you have a non FF barrel, it'll likely shift the group a bit) and reveal errors and mistakes not shown at closer ranges. Slings make you a better shooter, not a worse one.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Shot out to 600 yards hitting 4 out of five shots on a chest size steel plate.

Weapon: M1A

Optic: iron sights

Sling: none

Ammo: 7.62x51 mm full metal jacket

Grouping: chest size

Well, that is pretty damn good if that is true. I cannot even see steel plates at those ranges unassisted. However, a man size target may be different. If you can do that then bravo because I sure as hell can't lol. I wish I could but I have bad eyes. I might could lob some rounds out there and hope I am near my target but without a scope I would never know.

I can tell you that I used to sight my ARs in at 100 yds with irons and that was pretty damn difficult. I could barely make out the bullseye then. I can't even imagine doing that at 600.

 

[ksthomas]

Now try 30 rounds at 600 yards, on two silhouette targets spaced six feet apart, in fifty seconds. Fifteen rounds on each, prone, with a sling, and iron sights. Routine string for a swing man in an Infantry Trophy Team. I've seen the AMU crew nail as many as 42 hits on this same course of fire. Lew Tippie did exactly that while I was pulling his target. Awesome team, and some very talented shooters.