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Sidearms & Scatterguns 1911 choices ?'s

Rowdyryno

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Wanna order a custom 1911 and a local gun shop has a night hawk GRP recon in stock but I have had my eye on building a Wilson combat CQB and do a few options.

1. Serrate top of slide
2. Checkering under trigger guard
3. Heavy chamfer on the slide
4. Flitted chamber
5. Countersunk slide stop
6. Bulletproof ambidextrous safety's

I know both builders are top notch and great guns I just can't make the pick between the two. So I'm wanting advise from people who own the guns.
 
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You can't go wrong with either. I can't speak with vast experience, but if you like the feel of the GRP, I would go that route as opposed to the year plus wait for the Wilson. I just recently purchased a used GRP 2 Recon and then sent it back to NH for top of slide serrations, reverse crown barrel, rounded butt, grips and coating. NH has had my pistol for approx. 1.5 months and it sounds like it will be done at the 2 month mark. I am very happy because I got just what I wanted in a short timeframe.
 
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I am with dbransco.....you cant go wrong with either.

a while back I was in the same place as you. I ended up with the NH because it was available(I did not have to wait for the Wilson), it fit my hand (felt right), I could shoot it to know if I really wanted some of the things I was thinking about. NH's customer service has been great.

It does really well with any 230 grn jacketed round and, for a production round, really likes the ASYM 185 grn. You can get the ASYM at Tractus Arms (they advertise here on the Hide) and if its not listed on their site call Greg and see when it will come it. What it seems like most is Sierra 200grn jacketed flatpoint with Titewad and cci primers but, like I said, mine eats about anything.
 
My NH had a couple hiccups in the beginning, but after some pretty terrific customer service it shoots amazingly. You do get a little hate slash jealousy every now and then. "Could have bought two OTHER MAKER for that price" Is a common one I hear. The other maker ranges from springfield, para, to rock island. I'm than happy with it though and think it was totally worth it.
 
There both amazing guns and if I could have it my way I would go with both but reality shuts me down. I like the Wilson a lot due to I can pick custom options I can do from the start to make it unique and exactly what I want but down fall is obviously the wait. The nighthawk is def a bad a** pistol but would haft to send off to get some stuff done and available right now but it comes with the surefire tac light which is cool.
 
Before you spend that dough please check out Dan Wesson. They're built to about the same level and should cost less.
 
I like the Wilson a lot due to I can pick custom options I can do from the start to make it unique and exactly what I want but down fall is obviously the wait.

Both manufacturers offer custom builds, so you could order from either and have the options you want. I had always wanted a Wilson. I made the mistake of stopping by their shop several years ago and fell in love with a professional commander. At the time I had no other experience with the 1911 platform, but I knew I liked quality guns and the Wilson was definitely that. This last year I was working out of town and was fortunate enough to be surrounded by multiple dealers stocking NH pistols. After fondling several NHs, I realized that they just seem to feel better in my hand. I still don't have much experience with 1911s, but I'm glad I handled a few before making my decision.
 
Before you spend that dough please check out Dan Wesson. They're built to about the same level and should cost less.

I currently have a NHC Talon as well as a Dan Wesson CCO and I think this is good advice. I'm not saying that NIB both are on equal ground, but it's closer than you might think. And if you are going to have to send the gun away for custom work anyway, why not start with a great quality pistol thats a grand less. You'll end up with what you want, customized that is, for the same price as the stock NHC or wilson. However, the Dan Wesson's aren't always easy to find either.

Good luck with whatever you decide on.
 
I've had a couple of Wilsons and Ed Browns...and friends I shoot with have a few more, along with a couple of NH's. ALL of those makers are top notch. Can't barely make a bad choice.

I wanted MY idea of MY perfect Commander sized gun. I ended up buying my current CQB Wilson, then ORDERING my Carry gun and simply waiting the year. The CQB satisfied my urge for a great 1911 until the EB arrived.

Maybe snag the NH then order up the Wilson?

NO experience with the Dan Wessons...To me name holds ZERO weight. Yeah the guns may be a bargain and great value. But they are certainly not a Wilson, Night Hawk, Ed Brown, etc.
 
I currently have a NHC Talon as well as a Dan Wesson CCO and I think this is good advice. I'm not saying that NIB both are on equal ground, but it's closer than you might think. QUOTE]

After shooting a Wesson I would agree that they are good shooters and I would own one. Doing custom work on my old Kimber was also something I considered however I decided that getting a pistol that was built from the ground up by one team made more sense.

The original poster wanted a custom gun (with some additional features) so, going off of that, my recommendation would be to look at that select group (NH, Wilson, Brown, Guncrafters, etc). The folks at Tractus arms carry all those and they might be a good place to start or going directly to the manf.
 
NO experience with the Dan Wessons...To me name holds ZERO weight. Yeah the guns may be a bargain and great value. But they are certainly not a Wilson, Night Hawk, Ed Brown, etc.

I own a Wilson and two Ed Browns. IMO the Wesson is better finished than either the Wilson or Brown and more reliable in function than the Wilson. As always, YMMV, but it would pay to look into how all these semi-customs (traditionally neither Wilson, Brown, or Nighthawk would be called true "customs") are put together and with what parts.

To my mind, your comment screams "YES, I CARE ABOUT THE NAME!"

The only downside is as someone pointed out above, you're more likely to find a Nighthawk or Wilson on the shelf. Wessons are limited production and often out of stock everywhere.

If someone has their heart set on something, well, desire ends in satisfaction. Especially if you like and can afford to have one or two of everything. If budget is a concern, read up on DWs and look around before you buy. The 1911 forum may be worth a stop.

EDIT!: After re-reading the OP's original post, which I should have done before, here is my revised advice: buy a bone stock COLT in the material you desire and ship it off to a custom pistol maker for modification and finishing. You'll have a true custom and exactly what you want. Also, likely for a much lower price than starting with a high-dollar semi-custom.
 
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If I go with a custom build who is the best and can make one if equal quality or better? What are the wait times on a custom build also?
 
If I go with a custom build who is the best and can make one if equal quality or better? What are the wait times on a custom build also?

I think there's a sticky thread on this at the top of this subforum. As you may imagine there are a lot of competing opinions on who is the "best", but with some research I'm sure you'll come up with a top-ten or so list of names that keep coming up. For years guys like Ted Yost would be near the top of that list. Guns By Ted Yost But that doesn't mean Bill Wilson doesn't build a mean gun or that people don't pay $5,200 for one of his Supergrade guns; they do.

It sounds like you've got deep pockets and aren't afraid to wait a while so I would do a shitload of research and start seeing if any of the more famous guys do a style you like better than others. Mind you, some differences can be subtle and if you haven't owned a crapload of 1911s you may not be sure, exactly what you want. But you do have some particulars and there are plenty of people who will build your gun. But the benefit of having someone famous make it rather than the local, and locally well regarded, but not famous, smith, is that you have a better chance of getting some of your money out of it if it is a famous maker.

If Wilson or Nighthawk will make it the way you want it right from the source it may be a cheap and easy way to do it with little wait. If you send a Colt to a famous custom converter you may have a wait. Less famous probably equals less wait, as well as cheaper out the door. What can your patience and wallet bear?

I also have a few Springfield Professionals from Springfield's custom shop. I would also rather have them than my Ed Browns so I wouldn't put that shop out of the running either.

What I disagree with -- and others will disagree with me -- is paying $2,500 to $3,000 for a semi-custom Wilson/Brown/Baer/Nighthawk and then send it off for the mods you want. Which will likely require refinishing unless they'll make it that way from scratch -- and for a price I'm sure many of them would. I would rather start with a $900-$1,100 Colt Series 70 and send it off to have those mods, along with sights, checkering etc. to my specifications.

If you can't get one just the way you want it and have to buy one and have it modified, if you don't go the Colt route I would get a Dan Wesson and have it worked up to the way you want it. And in no way am I digging on Nighthawk. I'll probably own one soon enough. But not because I think they're a value, but because I live in California my choices of Dan Wesson's are limited. It is great to be able to afford many different guns so you don't have to make up your mind.

Hope this helps and by all means follow up and let us know what you ended up doing. Too many people start these threads, get people to spend their time responding, and then you never hear from the OP again.
 
Well guys all the input is great and very much appreciated. I looked at various custom builders and even called a couple and the wait times are kinda what I expected long same as the Wilson or NH. I'm kinda still throwing around the idea of the NH GRP recon cause its at the local shop they ordered a long time ago for a customer and they backed out and the gun just showed up. We contacted NH about the speed chute instal and serrating the top of the slide and they quoted 2-6 weeks on the speed chute but did not recommend the top of slide due to the new coating they put on the gun hardens the material. I have a set of the Larry Davidson starburst grips (same ones used on the Wilson) minus the WC medallion. Love the way those fit my hand the best and a local Kansas gun smith Greg copeland is gonna do a comp trigger in the gun if I get it. Talked to Greg at copeland customs about a full build but same problem the wait. Price is right there with NH with my options.
 
If you don't want to wait and don't mind spending the money, just get the Nighthawk. You're bound to be happy with it; they're great guns.
 
I waited on two Wilsons, a NH and a Baer. Well worth the wait...and price. If I were going the full custom build route, I would purchase a frame/slide set and all the parts I wanted and have a smith such as Yost, Hoag, Novak assemble it. A few years ago it would have been Heinie. :( That route would let you have a Wilson or NH.
 
I've never handled a custom built 1911 so don't know the difference between the two ups or downs!!! At first I was looking into STI's and then was shown the quality if the NH and Wilson's and how tight they were and fell in love.
 
I've never handled a custom built 1911 so don't know the difference between the two ups or downs!!! At first I was looking into STI's and then was shown the quality if the NH and Wilson's and how tight they were and fell in love.

Still wish you could find one of these to handle first:
CZ-USA -> Dan Wesson Valor
Dan Wesson Valor Stainless $1,589.00 SHIPS FREE

I think you would find it the equal of the competition, for a lot less money.
I know everyone reflexively defends what they've paid a lot of money for. But I'm not putting down any other guns discussed. And if you can afford it I, for one, am someone who likes to try and own one of each. Yet many people like me conclude that if money were a concern it is really hard to spend the extra cash over the Dan Wessons once you start comparing closely. It looks like that gun at Buds is available as I post this, so no waiting.

Again, if you can afford it and don't mind the price I'm sure you'll be happy with the Nighthawk. Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from and Eddie doesn't think I'm saying he got ripped off or has crappy guns. I'm not.
 
I know everyone reflexively defends what they've paid a lot of money for.

True, but it cuts both ways. I've listened to folks defend the cheapest (as opposed to least expensive) of whatever category as "just as good" as whatever has the earned reputation of best in class. I recall a guy defending his choice of a Yugo.

Hopefully you understand where I'm coming from and Eddie doesn't think I'm saying he got ripped off or has crappy guns. I'm not.

Not at all. I purchase firearms, reloading gear, and trucks to satisfy my desires, not conform to other opinions (furniture, cars and appliances (other than TVs) to keep the wife happy;))).

My limited experience with DW involved a botched repair and refusal to acknowledge the problem when contacted by me and the smith that ultimately repaired the gun. That cost me quite a few bucks, so any savings were flushed down the drain.
 
Fair enough Eddie. It seems no one is immune from some cock-ups in manufacturing. I have read people having to post on the 1911 forum to get DW's attention. Which works, but is bullshit to have to go through. From what I've read, they have a surprisingly small operation which, IIRC has been used to explain CS issues. Sad that we have to pays our money and takes our chances. Still, at least until I'm burned, I would take that chance.
 
My choice would be nighthawk. I just built a 1911 with all their parts and they were great. All had to be fitted and I know the same is done at their factory. Each gunsmith builds about one gun a day. Just pointing this out as it seems some manufacturers use undersize parts so they just slide right in and don't require fitting and end up with a loose slide to frame fit. I haven't handled a wilson so no comment can be made about them except they have a great reputation like Nighthawk. Either way you will have a great shooter.
 
What trigger would you all recommend for a light weight trigger? I know the GRP NH comes with there trigger but would like to upgrade it.
 
Buy a Colt and send it to Luke Volkmann at Volkmann Precision, you won't be sorry!