8/17 to 9/4.
That's an impressive turnaround on a total rebuild. Props to Zak at TBAC.
That's an impressive turnaround on a total rebuild. Props to Zak at TBAC.
Suppressors My Thunderbeast -- EXPLODED!!
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I am glad you are back in the game. Kudos to TBAC!
How about a dog to sniff out the baffles? Somebody in Albuquerque must have a dog that they think can find them. There are some proud dog folks out there that might be itching for a challenge.
How about a dog to sniff out the baffles? Somebody in Albuquerque must have a dog that they think can find them. There are some proud dog folks out there that might be itching for a challenge.
have you posted a 'reward' sign at the range? maybe someone did find them and took them home.
rancilio had a good idea. maybe approach the local PD/ fire dept for a training exercise for a bomb sniffing dog that can pick up the smell of the burnt gun powder?
rancilio had a good idea. maybe approach the local PD/ fire dept for a training exercise for a bomb sniffing dog that can pick up the smell of the burnt gun powder?
I had the same problem with another can manufacturer that I won't mention. The recoil was tremendous! It basically knocked my ass off the bench and the scope cut me wide open. The diagnosis from the can manufacturer was that the weld was bad. several cans were ordered together and another had a similar problem but it broke at the back cap weld. The whole can went down range like a dummy launcher. They refunded my money after it came back with another flaw and I've been scared of cans since then. I called TBAC before I ordered another can and they gave me enough confidence to order a 30P-1. I'm still waiting for it to clear, but don't like hearing about TBAC cans blowing up. I'm planning on using my 30P-1 for my 300 Blackout, 6MM Creedmoor, and 6.5 SAUM. It was a 300WM with a 23 inch barrel that blew up before.
Zak,
Any issues with shooting a 6.5 SAUM through a 30P-1?
Zak,
Any issues with shooting a 6.5 SAUM through a 30P-1?
Hey ROCKer, send me an email with the barrel length and your load information.
Zak,
I sent the specs of my gun to you via email. It's a 6.5 SAUM built on a Templar action, barrel is 24 inches, 63g of H1000, F215M, and a 130 Berger VLD.
I sent the specs of my gun to you via email. It's a 6.5 SAUM built on a Templar action, barrel is 24 inches, 63g of H1000, F215M, and a 130 Berger VLD.
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ROCKer is sweating buckshot! Pew, pew, pew, pew BOOM
I got back to ROCKer. IF you guys have any cartridge questions for other than standard ones, please email me.
Thanks Zak for the quick response and I'm definitely can shy after my last one exploded on me.
Who can we blame for the 338P-1 being discontinued?
Did I miss something?
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I missed it too! Discontinued?
338P-1 is no longer listed on TBAC's website; the 338BA, however, is.
Live and learn. We all tend to push the limits on our weapons. Still waiting on my three TBAC suppressors and not worried in the least since will be using them on DTAs 26" 338, 26" 260 and 22" 308 which BA and routine SMK match loads. Zak and his crew have always been extremely helpful and efficient! All their research and attention to detail and providing data you could find nowhere else is very reassuring,
any update on the baffle search?
We have been planning to discontinue the 338P-1 for some time because the 338BA is much more popular.
I'm late to the party here, PSYOPS, and I don't get out to Zia often anymore but I'll be sure to keep an eye out for a baffle stack anytime I'm out at the East range. Good to see TBAC get you back on track so quickky too.
Zak, is it possible to convert a 338P-1 to a 338BA?
That's great customer service, TBAC certainly didn't have to fix it. Either way 16" 338 with a can, holy shit. Even if it was a brake attach with the brake acting as an extra blast baffle I'm not sure it would have lasted any longer. That's a shit ton of muzzle blast and unburnt powder.
Not really.
roger, thanks.
I would buy a 338p-1.... I will NOT buy that ugly ass 338BA the brake is fugly as hell and I am a TBAC homer. That was next on the list for next year. I will scratch it off.
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We are happy to put together a "direct thread" 338BA, with the brake fixed in place, upon request for no extra charge. This would operate just as a direct thread model, with the strength advantages of the 338BA (and a hardened steel thread "insert").
Now your talking, I love solutions. I have un scratched it on the list and revised the wording. Thank you.
Happy Happy HappyI don't know to much about the selling and the forms of this type of stuff
but cant they just destroy your can give you the exact same thing and have your serial number on it??
I seen it done with a rifle but again I don't know to much about the form 4 stuff
dave
but cant they just destroy your can give you the exact same thing and have your serial number on it??
I seen it done with a rifle but again I don't know to much about the form 4 stuff
dave
No, in fact you cannot do that.
Zak- I'm currently in the market and had decided to go with the P1, until I discovered it has been discontinued. I'm curious as to the "strength advantages" of the BA. Does the brake disrupt some of the direct pressure before it hits the baffles? Thanks!
Yes, basically.
The thing thats amazing about TBAC and Zak is that not only is their level of customer support stellar but they continue to sustain it. Most companies get burnt out after a couple of years dealing with the public. What would I like to see be TBACs next product? A 100% titanium 8 oz direct attach .223 suppressor with "bolt action only" stamped on the tube
the thing thats amazing about tbac and zak is that not only is their level of customer support stellar but they continue to sustain it. Most companies get burnt out after a couple of years dealing with the public. What would i like to see be tbacs next product? A 100% titanium 8 oz direct attach .223 suppressor with "bolt action only" stamped on the tube
umm yes please.
Next can will def be TB, that customer service is awesome! Glad you weren't hurt man.
Sounds like the direct-thread 338BA will be dummy-proof.
Brilliant move, TBAC!
Brilliant move, TBAC!
I had a form 1 can blow out the guts when the front weld failed. I got scoped (no cut) and the parts flew up to 80 yards downrange. I was able to find them all and reassemble the can with a better weld.
Ranb
Ranb
I'm very new to this forum and trying to obtain all the knowledge I can. I've already ordered my 1st can and have a question for the OP. Were the bullets that you were shooting at the time of failure of a boat tail design?
Thanks,
Lloyd
Thanks,
Lloyd
PSYOPS was using an open tip match bullet, which has a boat tail.
According to Zak at TBAC, the failure had nothing to do with bullet type. The combination of a .338LM and a 16" barrel are to blame.
Thanks for the response. I've heard from several sources that shooting BT bullets can cause a yawing effect resulting in a baffle strike. This made sense to me as a long range shooter because the groups that are poor at 100 yds. but have a low extreme spread will generally shoot well at 1,000, hence my question of bullet design. Regardless, I'm glad no one is hurt while having fun, and the reports of CS are outstanding.
Lloyd
Lloyd
Interesting. Do you have a link or reference to any of these sources? I would say that well over 99% of the bullets used by SH members through cans are of boat tail variety, while baffle strikes are definitely NOT the norm. Most members here report an increase in 100 yard group sizes with a good can. If you're getting baffle strikes, I highly recommend you check the concentricity of your muzzle threads.
If you go to Bryan Litz's book, you will find a section about bullet yaw. Long range shooters call it "having the bullet go to sleep". As I said in my previous post, the load that shoots 1 MOA at 100 yds. very well shoot .5 MOA at 300. I haven't experienced this as I'm still waiting on my first can, then I can do some testing of my own.
Lloyd
Lloyd
It's a little off the subject of suppressors but bullet yaw and "going to sleep" can't explain 1 MOA groups at 100 yards and 0.5 MOA groups at 300 yards. There is no way a bullet is going to be deviated to 1 MOA and then manage to steer itself back on course. I'd say scope parallax would be the explanation.
Almost 20,000 PSI at the muzzle with that load data.
That will put some stress on a can.
That will put some stress on a can.
I'm late to the party.
But 90gr of H1000 burning in a .338" bore that's only 16" long...phew.
I used to get 2580fps out of my 25" tube with only 85.0gr of H1000 and the same bullet, so imagine the amount of blast being contained by the can.
Off topic but have you tried a faster burning powder? You may be able to keep peak pressure the same but have less residual at the muzzle and not lose much if anything in velocity. I'm just shooting ideas here.
But 90gr of H1000 burning in a .338" bore that's only 16" long...phew.
I used to get 2580fps out of my 25" tube with only 85.0gr of H1000 and the same bullet, so imagine the amount of blast being contained by the can.
Off topic but have you tried a faster burning powder? You may be able to keep peak pressure the same but have less residual at the muzzle and not lose much if anything in velocity. I'm just shooting ideas here.
The only thing that goes to sleep when I shoot is the intended target.
Short barreled .338 = extreme pressure. I'm not going to be surprised to see suppressor manufacturers start limiting their warranties on short barreled rifles and/or start making heavier models specifically designed for the higher pressures of short barrels.
My current .338 has a 30" barrel, but when I re-barrel it I'm going to go crazy and get a 28".
My current .338 has a 30" barrel, but when I re-barrel it I'm going to go crazy and get a 28".
Well great, there goes my plans for a one off suppressed 10.5" 338 SBR.
Glad your getting it back so fast. Good on TBAC.
Just stick a .50BMG suppressor on there and let it rip.
Yeah but I'm guessing whatever twist rate he has probably wouldn't be effective for the bullet weights needed for subsonic?
