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Hunting & Fishing hunting ammo help

Drock

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Mar 15, 2013
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ok here is what im looking at. i have a remington 700 in .308 with 26 inch barrel. it shoots .57inch groups at 100 yards with Federal gold medal match 168gr hpbt.
im looking to go hog hunting in a few weeks. some shots may reach out to 250 to 300 yards. any ideas on what bullet type i should be looking for to get postive expansion and accuracy. i have read that the sierra hpbt is not a good hunting bullet?
 
if it was me I would shoot them and put the bullet in the right place. holes kill shit simple as that and a hole in the heart,lungs or head they will die
 
There may be better options (I'm certainly no expert), but I've used that exact round on several deer and I've only had one run on me. It was my fault for not hitting him just right and even then he didn't make it far. I agree with the above.....there isn't much that a well placed 168gr bullet won't kill.
 
Its all about placing a quality bullet in the engine room, accuracy or shot placement is priority. Personally I would use Partition but have for decades with the only bullet that never failed but still, shot placement is more important than the head stamp or bullet, place the SMK where it needs to be and leave the rest to those who like to debate.

good luck
 
stick'em with the 168's you'll be just fine.



A bullet built to punch paper is not the same as one designed to penetrate tough muscle and bone.

Possibly WHY sierra states in their loading manual that the SMK is NOT a big game bullet?

NOT trying to start a pissin' match here...simply stating; Why not use a HUNTING bullet versus a target bullet?

FN in MT
 
I'm somewhat with FN in MT on this. I've been running Sierra GK SBT 180s in my 308 and they've been so accurate for me that I've not used "match" bullets in some time. The last 5 shot group at 100 I shot was .188" out of a FN SPR with a factory barrel. The last 5 shot at 600 was under 1/2 MOA. It was a calm day....
 
i have tried the 180gr they do not group well with my 1/12 twist. I just shot Hornady 165gr sst. They grouped .91" at 100 yards. what do you think of this bullet for hogs/deer?
 
The SST is a good hunting round. My Remington likes the Nosler 30168. Taken numerous deer with hit.
 
A bullet built to punch paper is not the same as one designed to penetrate tough muscle and bone.

Possibly WHY sierra states in their loading manual that the SMK is NOT a big game bullet?

Sierra is in the business of making and selling as many bullets as they can, which they do well. A cunning ploy to sell more bullets could easily be argued with guys like you on one side with books and catalogs saying SMK's can only punch paper, and guys like Psinclair, EHG, and myself on the other side with piles of dead animals killed with hundreds of "match bullets" fired one at a time and dropping deer, elk, and antelope year after year.

Why not use a HUNTING bullet versus a target bullet?

I guess I'll explain it again, like every other thread where this question is squeezed out, and dropped tapered end up onto a thread.


Many if not most of us here shoot "serious tactical rifles" which generally speaking shoot high BC match bullets. The typical question like the one of the OP is about finding a bullet/load that shoots comparatively to the match loads he/she typically shoots when not hunting. One of the many reasons so many of us shoot match bullets at game is they shoot so well (imagine that) so instead of wasting time and money finding a different load with hunting bullets, we just shoot what we already have, and are used to. The familiarity and confidence of ones standard go to load makes for a good shot. Match bullets perforate organs, organs are key to animals survival, therefore; bullet+organs=meat in the pot. Regardless of the caliber, headstamp, or bullet weight/type, the animal typically goes down, and happy hunters move to the kitchen.
If there is any doubt in anyones mind if this theory is true, may I direct you to the http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-hunting-fishing/106997-post-your-smk-kills.html thread, where you can see for yourself the performance of these bullets.

And before a real pissing match starts, remember, EVERY bullet can fail. Some more often than others, but Im sure that for every story some guy you know told you about something not working, there are twenty stories of the same thing working perfectly for someone else.

Here is a perfect example of a properly damaged organ, by a Sierra 175 Match King:



I'm curious....could you tell or show me how a "hunting" bullet could have done any better than this?







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Nice post with good points.

I will bet though that the heart in the picture didn't come out of a 300lb pig quartering on at 350 yards. I've seen match bullets do amazing (good) things on game. I prefer to use the best tool for the job however. Sierra isn't out to pull the wool over everybody's and take advantage of people and sell them more bullets than they need. To each his own. I like specialization. I drive my truck when I have to haul stuff. I drive my car when I take my parents out to a nice dinner.
 
I will bet though that the heart in the picture didn't come out of a 300lb pig quartering on at 350 yards.

Your right, it didn't. But this one was at 850 yds, and looked quite similar:
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Here is another from near 300 yds:

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I've gotten them from 60 to 904 yds, and never had a problem that wasn't my fault.

I see your point about specializing, but do you have a gun for every animal you hunt? and a load for every application? All of which is fine I guess, if you want to specialize, I dont have the time/money/patience to get that complex in my hobbies. I shoot everything with the same gun, and depending on the barrel thats in the gun, the same bullets.

Point being, if the OP wants the performance of his GMM ammo for hunting, he'll find no better performer than the GMM he has in his collection.
 
I find it surprising that Match slugs work that well on game. Never been in on any animal taken with other than conventional "big game" slugs or premiums. Learn something new every day!
Food for thought when my 6.5x47 Lapua is done and the whitetail rut starts.

I've used Nosler partitions probably 90% of the time. They have always worked well for me, zero issues.

FN in MT
 
dang. the thought of using smks for hunting never crossed my mind. i have a ton on hand and now will have to work up some loads for my deer rifle. thanks for the informative posts.
 
I see your point about specializing, but do you have a gun for every animal you hunt? and a load for every application? All of which is fine I guess, if you want to specialize, I dont have the time/money/patience to get that complex in my hobbies. I shoot everything with the same gun, and depending on the barrel thats in the gun, the same bullets.

Point being, if the OP wants the performance of his GMM ammo for hunting, he'll find no better performer than the GMM he has in his collection.

At one time, first few years hunting, I had a different load for several different rifles for the different animals I was hunting but, the more I hunted I went to one rifle one load; 340wby 250gr partitions at 2980fps for everything. One rifle one load and I knew or understood it. Stayed that way for decades now. As I got into more precision fun shooting 308, its still one bullet one load, 175 SMK at 2670 and I have hunted with it but the rifle is too darn heavy to tote.

It still comes down to one thing; bullet placement and that should be what ever rifle load bullet etc gets your there.
 
BUT the good thing about SPECIALIZING is how many rifles you can have in the safe! LOL.

Over the years I have built or bought; dedicated whitetail/antelope rifles, dedicated elk rifles, dual purpose deer/elk rifles and the few times I hunted South Africa, a light and medium rifle for plains game.

I like the experimentation and mental security of a full safe.

Though as I have gotten older I tend to use maybe 2 or 3 of them and several have gotten turned into other things.

FN in MT
 
BUT the good thing about SPECIALIZING is how many rifles you can have in the safe! LOL.

Over the years I have built or bought; dedicated whitetail/antelope rifles, dedicated elk rifles, dual purpose deer/elk rifles and the few times I hunted South Africa, a light and medium rifle for plains game.

I like the experimentation and mental security of a full safe.

Though as I have gotten older I tend to use maybe 2 or 3 of them and several have gotten turned into other things.

FN in MT
I used to think this way, but have since changed. I can only shoot one at a time anyways, so I'd rather have one gun that does it all, and be extremely proficient with one, than be pretty good with many.
 
There may be better options (I'm certainly no expert), but I've used that exact round on several deer and I've only had one run on me. It was my fault for not hitting him just right and even then he didn't make it far. I agree with the above.....there isn't much that a well placed 168gr bullet won't kill.

AMAN......... i`ve killed 2 elk and 3 deer with 168 smk`s.....they work.....
 
If you want a bullet with a purpose, barnes tsx is the way to got, personally i shoot hogs with whatever is in my hand when I see 'em...
 
I agree with the hunting bullet vs match bullet debate BUT Ihave killed ALOTTTT of hogs with a 175 SMK with shots from 50 to 650 and not a single 1 went anywhere but down. I have always been told SHOT PLACEMENT, SHOT PLACEMENT, SHOT PLACEMENT. Have fun and kill alot of hogs
 
I would recommend the Barnes TSX round personally. Especially for the big ones with the bone plates.
 
You guys aren't giving these animals enough credit, these aren't Babe or Porky the pig. These SOB's are like Bebop from Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Nothing short of a Nitro express loaded with tungsten cored solids will penetrate their thick armored hide. If you aren't spending 28.75 per round then you aren't shooting enough gun. I once saw a pig soak up a whole box of .378 Weatherby's loaded with Superspeed-fangpointed-clawcutters (SFC's) and then the damn thing got back up, did the hokey pokey, and still took 3ft a belt from an M2 to stop its angry heartbeat. Some day soon, one of the bullet manufacturers will make an exploding hunting round especially for oinkers, until that happens, or they start selling railguns and grenade launchers to the general public, we'll be forced to use what we have available. Dont go into the forest alone, especially if all you have is GMM, your life hangs in the balance.











Seriously, just shoot the damn ham.
 
I have always wanted to hunt hogs, but now I'm not so sure. It would appear that I would have to buy another gun entirely to even try it! At least a 45-70 shooting a roughly 400 grain solid?

Seriously though, just shoot the silly piggies in the dome if you're worried about the bullet not performing and it shoots that well. Inside 300 that would be too easy. Totally unnecessary though, in my not so humble opinion.

Deadly.