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Need some quick copper removal help

berry79

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Recently picked up a new hunting rifle. Been sighting it in a have around 80-90 rounds through it. I have been cleaning it with some mpro7 products but recently the accuracy has really dropped off. Upon inspection the barrel has a lot of copper fouling. Mpro7 copper remover does not seem to doing anything for. Even tested a bullet in the solution for about 24hrs and the bullet still looks like when I put it in there. I'm leaving for a hunting trip Wednesday and don't have time to order anything in. I was able to pick up a few products locally but undecided on which I should use. The products I picked up are gunslick foam bore cleaner, hoppes 9, and hoppes 9 semi auto. Looking for something safe and effective. Don't want to damage the finish or anything. The rifle is a 700 sps 270 with standard blued barrel.
 
Sweets or an ammonia based solvent.

Keep going until the blue on the patch disappears.
 
Use the foam and let it sit for 5-10 minutes then patch it out. Finish with a wet patch of basic gun oil.
 
Copper Fouling Removal

The "Ammonia Solution"
The typical "household ammonia" is only 3 percent and does not work very well as a copper remover. However, to remove copper fouling you can use use straight "strong ammonia" (9 - 10 percent) carried by many janitorial supply houses and hardware stores. My local ACE hardware carries the 10 percent janitorial strength for about $1.50 a quart and it works great straight, followed by a thorough cleaning with Ed's Red. Run a wet patch through the bore and allow to sit for about 5 minutes and proceed as usual. Don't use a brass bore brush or jag! I have seen no scientific proof that the use of ammonia in any strength will harm bores, IF the bore is thoroughly cleaned with bore cleaner after using ammonia to prevent after rust.

If your local ACE hardware store doesn't stock the "10% Janitor's Strength Ammonia," they can order it for you from their master order book. The stock number for the 1 quart size is ACE10183.

If you are worried about its high strength, you can bring it down to the 6 - 8 percent ammonia content of most commercial copper removers by cutting the janitor's strength ammonia with some K1 kerosene or water--try 3.5 to 4 parts 10% ammonia to 1 part water or K1 kerosene. This seems to have little, if any effect, on its copper removal abilities.

Straight 28% ammonia (CAS#7664-41-7) followed by a thorough cleaning with Ed's Red can also be used but 28 percent ammonia may be difficult to get and is VERY strong stuff and potentially aggressive on metal.

Some notes about Ammonia. Ammonia won't harm the rifle's metal, the pH is way down there for even 10% but as you get into stronger solutions (> 10%) the pH becomes basic ( >7 up to 14) and is caustic. The problem comes from ammonia being hygroscopic and folks not cleaning it all out of the bore and the attracted water then causes rusting. [As a test I left a polished mild steel strip in straight 10% ammonia for 48 hours and saw no noticeable corrosion or etching.]

Thanks to Roger Rothschild, Chemist, for this information.

...and an Improvement--"Humpy's White Bore Cleaner"

This modification of the "ammonia solution" thickens the liquid and helps to keep it in the bore for more efficient cleaning. You can if you like omit the 1-part sudsy ammonia

2 parts - 10% ammonia,
1 part - standard household "sudsy" ammonia (optional)
1 part - Ivory liquid dishwashing detergent (It has been reported that "Formula 409" can also be used though the resulting mixture is probably thinner.)

This formula yields about a 6.5 percent ammonia solution. If you omit the sudsy ammonia the solution is about 7.75 percent.

I found this on the 'net, if you try this YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!!!

http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm#Copper
 
Thanks for the help. Used the gunslick foam. It took 2 applications, letting it sit for about 20-25 minutes each. Barrel looks super clean with no more copper traces. Followed up with some mpro7 clp down the bore. Should be good to go.