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308win. 1-10 twist, best bullet weight for 100-200 yds.?????

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I shoot 200 yds. every other week as this is all that is available to me until April '14. I have a match barrel 308 Win. with a 1 in 10 twist and have been using 175 MK's and shoot 1-1.5" groups regularly off a bipod and rear bag. Will 155 palma MK's do better at these distances? I have the chance to purchase 500 for a decent price but don't want to waste the $ if it isn't going to make much of a difference. I have plenty of 175's but will be willing to buy the 155's if its gonna get my groups smaller. Anyone use these two bullets at these distances?
 
What rifle are you shooting, it sounds like you need to do some load developement first or is that 1" @ 200 yards. Either way the 155s are not going to do alot better other than maybe less recoil, details about rifle and load will help.
 
At 100 and 200 yards (exclusively) you'll probably get better groups shooting lighter, flat-base benchrest bullets with lower charges. You'll also have lower recoil.

You could try Sierra 125 and 135 Match Kings.
 
175's SMK's is hard to beat
I shoot them a lot
As the others Idk never tried them
1.5" groups @ 100-150 you should be able to do better with SMK's.
If not something is wrong.


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308win. 1-10 twist, best bullet weight for 100-200 yds.?????

The rifle is a Remington model 7 with Shilen match varmint barrel 23.5" with JP cooley brake. Has PTG bolt, timmney tactical trigger, Murphy precision base with NF rings. Has a 5.5-22x50 nxs on top. HS stock bedded and Tubb recoil lug.
 

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OP, it would help to know the length of your barrel in combination with the twist. Every length/twist likes a particular weight.

My R700 bullpup's 16" barrel only eats 168. Anything lighter scatters and anything heavier tumbles.

So how long's yer pipe? EDIT:: Oops. I see, 23.5".

So the 175's sound like a good diet. Happy shooting.
 
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OP, it would help to know the length of your barrel in combination with the twist. Every length/twist likes a particular weight.

My R700 bullpup's 16" barrel only eats 168. Anything lighter scatters and anything heavier tumbles.

So how long's yer pipe?
The rifle is a Remington model 7 with Shilen match varmint barrel 23.5" with JP cooley brake. Has PTG bolt, timmney tactical trigger, Murphy precision base with NF rings. Has a 5.5-22x50 nxs on top. HS stock bedded and Tubb recoil lug
 
I have had better luck with 155s over the 175s not only at close range, but at distance too, out to 1000 yds. Shot some really tight groups at 200 with them, less than an inch to the best of my memory. I am speaking of the 155 palmas (2156). They run noticeably faster.
 
I have had better luck with 155s over the 175s not only at close range, but at distance too, out to 1000 yds. Shot some really tight groups at 200 with them, less than an inch to the best of my memory. I am speaking of the 155 palmas (2156). They run noticeably faster.

That's what I was looking for! Thanks for the reply.
 
My 1:10 loves the 168 gr sierra match BTHP's. It has shot 1-1.5" at 200 on multiple occasions, although I mostly check it at 100. Holds great out to 400+. That's about the limit of ranges here. I've put the out to 850 with consistent hits. Good luck.
 
My Mauser has a 1/10 Shilen 24" it likes 180 SSTs, 39gr R-15 movin around 2364 fps. That long of a barrel and that twist it likes long heavy pills. That is pretty much the distance i shoot also. 100 and 200 No need to make them screem, and cases will last longer, at 100 i get bug holes , at 200 around .75!
 
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The rifle is a Remington model 7 with Shilen match varmint barrel 23.5" with JP cooley brake. Has PTG bolt, timmney tactical trigger, Murphy precision base with NF rings. Has a 5.5-22x50 nxs on top. HS stock bedded and Tubb recoil lug.

That's a fine looking rifle, and I'll bet you'll be happy with it for a long, long time.

The only thing I'd do to it (as it sits) would be to swap bottom metal to a rig that holds 5-shot AI mags. The Remington internal magazine can be annoying.
 
Conventional wisdom says short, flat base bullets do best at short range. Though I've seen long range bullets that shot really good at close range too.
 
have you tried the 168gr. SMK. The Federal Gold Match is a pretty solid round out of my SPS Tactical. It's the most accurate I have found for 250 yds and in.
 
The two most common reasons a rifle like you described won't group well are a) the driver is not capable of shooting better groups and b) the ammunition is not optimized for the rifle. If you're shooting 1.0-1.5" groups at 200 yd (basically 0.5 - 0.75 MOA), I'd say you're doing pretty well behind the gun, which suggests tweaking the load may offer you some improvement. With a well made .308 bolt gun and a quality barrel, almost any of the bullets described above could probably be made to consistently shoot under 1/2 MOA with reasonable care and attention to detail in the reloading process. The gun will really tell you what it likes to shoot.

Your original post suggests you reload, as you mentioned buying bullets rather than loaded ammo. If so, you should be able to get a pretty wide range of bullets to shoot well out of your setup if you're willing to put in the time and $$$ on load development. If not, simply changing bullets is not likely to get you where you want to be. Regardless of the vast number of rifles described on shooting forums that will "shoot under 1/2 a minute all day, every day", the reality is that it can take a lot of time and effort to develop a load that consistently shoots that well. And although the specific load (powder, charge weight, seating depth, etc.) may vary considerably between different bullets, it is usually possible to find loads that work for different bullets in the same rifle.

The barrel on your rifle should allow you to choose from bullets anywhere from around 150 gr up to 200 gr, with the twist rate being most optimal for the 175 gr to 200 gr range. Doesn't mean you can't get 155s to shoot well out of it, I've done it a couple different rifles having 10-twist barrels; however, you really don't need to spin the shorter (lighter) pills that fast. My thought would be to stick with the 175s and tweak the load to get where you want to be. Alternatively, the Berger 175 gr Tactical and 185 gr Juggernaut bullets are really well made, fairly easy to develop loads for, and should shoot well out of your rifle with proper load development. They are going to cost a little more, but you inferred that in about 6 months you might have access to a range that will allow you to shoot farther than 200 yd. So my thought would be that getting a longer (heavier) bullet with a higher BC shooting well now would set you up perfectly for when you're able to stretch it out farther. No matter what you might read, a 155 is not going to outperform a properly loaded bullet with a much higher BC at long range. You simply can't push 155s fast enough safely to make up for the lower BC. It's possible to get them close, but not better. Any load with a longer high BC bullet you can get working well at 200 yd should also work well for you whenever you get the opportunity to shoot longer distances.
 
Not to hijack but I have a 1-12 twist and am shooting the 175. Is it not enough?

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OP, it would help to know the length of your barrel in combination with the twist. Every length/twist likes a particular weight.

My R700 bullpup's 16" barrel only eats 168. Anything lighter scatters and anything heavier tumbles.

So how long's yer pipe? EDIT:: Oops. I see, 23.5".

So the 175's sound like a good diet. Happy shooting.

Pics of bullpup please
 
That's a fine looking rifle, and I'll bet you'll be happy with it for a long, long time.

The only thing I'd do to it (as it sits) would be to swap bottom metal to a rig that holds 5-shot AI mags. The Remington internal magazine can be annoying.

If you can find a detach mag system for the Model 7 (not 700) I would gladly pay for it at the drop of a hat!!!!
 
I'd give the Lapua Scenar 155 grain rounds a go and see how they do for you.
I would suggest just buying a factory loaded box of 20 and giving it a go from there first.