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Stiller AW action & AAC 260 barrel self assemble “build” LOL

Niles Coyote

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    Build... assembled... I don’t care what you call it, I put it together myself from parts and it puts a smile on me face, mate LOL

    Earlier this year I came across a deal I could not pass up while window shopping on midway. They were selling off their inventory of AAC 260 barrels at half off. These barrels are pre threaded on both ends and chambered. The idea is to allow DIY’ers the ability to swap barrels on their Remington actions provided you have the proper tools. I place an order for a couple 260’s and a 308. This thread is about my time with the 260.

    At first I thought I’d use one of my Remington’s that doesn’t get much use, a 26” 308 varmint. After searching this wonderful site for tips on how people have been taking off their factory barrels and gaining a little knowledge of the process (I will detail this in a later thread on the 18” 308 AAC barrel). I found the task straight forward and made the swap. However, after some productive range time that showed the barrel to shoot well I started thinking... dangerous I know... :p I decided it was time for my first custom action that shared the same Remington set up and headspacing.

    I contacted Bugholes here on the hide and placed an order for one Stiller Tac30 A/W action. After just a few days I had my action... :)

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    I am happy to say it was a quick and easy swap and with the Stiller action and recoil lug everything fit nicely. I dropped in my go gauge and the bolt closed, dropped in my no go gauge and the bolt closed with heavy resistance, dropped in the field gauge and it would not even come close to closing... Just about perfect and tighter headspace than my three factory Remington rifles in the safe.

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    At first I attached the barreled action into a AICS stock and checked to see if my new action would feed from AW mags and I am happy to say it did.

    first rounds on target
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    with a AAC 308 brake
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    Some dont care for the barrel profile but its grows on you and balances well
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    Then I tried AICS mags and found that the bolt was coming into heavy contact with the feed lips. So keep this in mind if you decided to take up a similar self build idea. If you use a AW action you may have to stick with AW mags. That said I have now swaped the barreled action into a Manners T4 and at this point it is feeding reliably with both unless you press into a barricade and/or hold pressure against the front of an AW mag. So there may be a happy medium where both mags will work or maybe not... I have not played around with making adjustments to the mag release that dictates the height of the mag when seated. That will have to wait till after deer season.

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    The barrel was giving me fits finding a load that would shoot well. Part of my problem was I have another 260 and assumed that a good accuracy node would/should work in both rifles... well it both does and doesn’t, it just depends on what you are after. The load I having been using in my other 260 (44g of H4350 w/140 class bullets) was way too hot to use in this barrel. Initially I found 43g of H4350 to work but it would shoot well one day and not the so well the next accuracy wise. My vertical was averaging .6 moa and then the next time out it would be near moa or larger at distances of 100-700 yards.

    One thing I have noticed is with the AAC barrel being nitrated it was averaging 50-75fps faster than my custom barrel I have on my other 260 and that got me thinking again... So a couple weeks ago I decided to start fresh and do a proper OCW starting at 41.5g of H4350 this time while using 139g Lapua scenars and rather than use the reformed 7mm-08 brass I decided to go with Lapua brass that has a thicker neck. The thicker neck (.002”) should improve overall group size by keeping the loaded round in the chamber closer to perfect alignment with the bore. After shooting the OCW at 100y round robin I saw a clear and wide node forming from 41.9 to 42.3 grains. I loaded up a few more at 42 and 42.2 and moved out to 300y where both shot well with 42 shooting just a bit tighter overall than 42.2, my velocity at 42 is 2790 and 42.2 is 2812 over 5 shots each clocked with a magnetospeed. This also proved to be true when I plotted my drops on JBM with the current weather conditions for 700 and 1000y. The plan is to split the node down the middle at 42.1 which should put me right at 2800 and test seating depth next. Until then I am happy to say for the third time in a row now I am seeing 5 shot groups staying at to just under .5 moa at 100 and at 700 I am seeing this.

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    I screwed up my hold at 1000 but after taking into account where I aimed verses where I hit, the rifle looks to be capable of shooting under .2 mil there as well... just not me, yet.
     
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    crappy pic, I was losing light fast

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    Called that about right 10 shots 2799 average sd=4 es=14

    I also shot 6 that spent 4 hours in the deep freeze at -10 degrees, only lost 8 fps... first ten were at 65ish degrees
     
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    Umm, correct me if i'm wrong, but the bolt shouldn't close on a no-go gauge and have slight resistance with a go gauge.
     
    Umm, correct me if i'm wrong, but the bolt shouldn't close on a no-go gauge and have slight resistance with a go gauge.

    I second this. The slight resistance on the go-gauge is optional, but it should NOT close on a no-go gauge. Be very careful with your cartridge headspace when you reload for that rifle. Better yet, have a smith face a few thousandths off of the recoil lug or the barrel shoulder so your chamber headspace is no longer excessive.
     
    Reverse that, it closed on a go and had slight resistance on a no go... I guess I should add that was before the barrel was tightened to 100 foot pounds, after which the bolt has heavy resistance on the no go.

    Not to worry though, these gauges were an eye opener. I have three different Remington rifles (2 -308’s and a 243) that are factory stock and in all three is no resistance on no go gauge but they will not close on the field gauge. So it is tighter than factory spec.
     
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    Nice to see it can be done DIY. Good work
     
    "barrel was tightened to 100 foot pounds"

    seems like a lot.... but i normaly do rem-age and savage...

    This is pretty typical torque for re-barreling a Rem700, and is easy to achieve with standard tools.

    From the factory, newer R700s seem to be cranked down to 250-300 lb-ft, although I recently tore down a stainless version that seemed to crack loose somewhere a lot closer to 100 lb-ft.
     
    Niles, do you have any COAL to lands measurements with the 139 Scenars or 123 SMKs?

    I've heard these barrels have shortish throats.
     
    Niles, do you have any COAL to lands measurements with the 139 Scenars or 123 SMKs?

    I've heard these barrels have shortish throats.

    139L is right around 2.845ish at the lands, 140 berger vlds are a little over 2.91 IIRC, I will have to get back with you on the 123's...
     
    My S.E. Montana sage country 5x5... with about 30 minutes remaining before dark.
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    This guy was so tired chasing 5 doe he kept laying down every time I’d get into a good position. After about an hour and a half I sent a 139 lapua scenar his way.
     
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    Playing at 1000y today with 139L, 42.1 grains of H4350 in Lapua brass, rewarded with a five shot group measuring 6 inches.
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    As she looks today
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    Added a coyote colored T-2a and stiller’s DBM system.
     
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    Too bad AAC stopped making those barrels...

    I agree.

    I think AAC may have shot themselves in the foot at the price point they were asking. I know it kept me from buying until the 50-60% off sale on midway. Of course I don’t know what they had in these barrels but... who wants to buy a barrel that costs more than a premium replacement barrel and install it there self when a custom can be fitted and chambered from a non-nationally known and local rifle smith for the same cash or just a few bucks more. A price point in the 250-300 dollar range and a Remington varmint contour would have weighted heavy on the minds of the DIY types.

    Had I been running things I would have also offered precision ground lugs every .002 from .179 to .191, a go nogo gauge kit and the other necessary tools all at the same location as the barrels... done right you could cut a corner off of the custom market.
     
    If Remington was smart, they'd have thrown these barrels on a 700 action, in a BC M40 stock, and added it to the "Long Range" family.

    Alas...Remington is not smart.
     
    If Remington was smart, they'd have thrown these barrels on a 700 action, in a BC M40 stock, and added it to the "Long Range" family.

    Alas...Remington is not smart.


    If they were smart, but they screwed the pooch on that. I've been nothing but happy with my AAC barrel, especially considering the MV's even after cutting it to 20" are in line with what a lot of guys get with 3-4" more barrel.
     
    If Remington was smart, they'd have thrown these barrels on a 700 action, in a BC M40 stock, and added it to the "Long Range" family.

    Alas...Remington is not smart.

    I hear ya, remington not so much... I was looking forward to that 1:8 260 they talked about at shot show but alas not in a varmint model... IMO Varmints and the like contours are all there is worth while from remington and one thing I wont buy is a sporter... unless I decide later in life that chasing my zero from one shot to the next and B.S.ing at the range for hours while my barrel cools is a fun thing to do.