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Gunsmithing is it possible to build a bolt action 9MM rifle

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I have a 40 cal suppressor and have been wanting to build a 9mm, 40, or 10mm bolt action rifle, I would love to have a bolt action pistol caliber rifle to suppress. Anyone ever do this or know anyone who has??? delsile makes a bolt action 45acp on an enfield action but im not a 45 man, any info would be appreciated.
 
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not really all that hard... start with a 223 bolt rifle, open the bolthead up about .3mm at the most, probably won't need it at all. have a barrel made. adapt a magizine and rock on
 
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Any 6.8SPC or 7.62x39 bolt head should work with 40s&w/10mm cases. You may need to adjust the extractor (not likely). 9mm will need a bolt opened up. In any case you're likely to end up with single feed unless you know someone who can make bottom metal that fits pistol mags.
 
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who would you recommend to do it, I usually use Mike Luckett but he doesn't like oddball projects like this, any suggestions????
 
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the way to go would be to make a magazine adapter. Something that would either glue to a pistol mag or hold one. Making bottom metal unique to a pistol mag would be doable as well.

Might be a fun project
 
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I have converted Mauser actions to .223 and 7.62x25mm case heads, and I don't want to do that any more.

You will find that 223 actions are not lying around like Mauser actions.
10 years ago, 1903 Turk Mauser actions [made in Orberndorf] were 4/$100 delivered with bayonets.

Right now any 223 action will cost $ hundreds.

45acp conversions are easy with surplus Mauser actions and much better actions than Enfields.

If you shot a bolt action 45acp loaded to 460 Rowland levels [and beyond], you would appreciate the superiority to 9mm rifles.

http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/defaul...der&Source=
 
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you can find used Stevens 200 bolt actions in .223 for $250 pretty regularly, at least around here. I will be tackling this project in the fall myself for 7.62 x 25 Tok. Nice thing about a Stevens is its the same receiver as the Savage, which means user replaceable barrels. Get a blank, have it machined screw it in and your ready to tackle the mag issue..
 
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its not that I don't appreciate the 45 but I'm wanting this for a suppressed project, and a 9mm suppressed a lot quieter to me than a 45
 
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If you load anything to subsonic speeds you get very quiet results. Keeping in mind that you have a 40 cal suppressor, I'd suggest you build a 9mm or a 10mm round. If you can get a 45 slug through that 10mm can then I'd strongly suggest you go with a 45 ACP

I've built a 9mm and a 357 mag into a Turk Mauser action as well as a 45acp. They don't feed at all. The 9mm needed to have the extractor modified and the 357 didn't, so the 9mm chamber was cut back and the 357 installed instead. I fired the 9mm a few times with 90gr bullets and super compressed loads of Blue Dot with results over 2600fps, clearly not subsonic, but nothing else in 9mm was going to get you velocities like that.

The limiting factor you're going to find on the 9mm is bullet weight. With 147gr bullets that suppressed 9's are good. My dad and I did a bunch of work with cast 158's last year to shoot in a 9mm and found that in order to get them to feed from a magazine the bullet had to be shoved so far into the case that it bulged out the body taper and the rounds wouldn't chamber. Using a 357 Mag with heavy cast bullets will get you the same thing with stronger brass and a long case to shoot heavier bullets from.

Subsonic rounds really are dependent upon bullet weight. At close ranges and with a maximum velocity that's common to all "subsonic" ammo you only get better knock down by a heavier bullet. Going with a 10mm bullet will get you 200-210gr commercial jacketed bullets and about 230gr cast bullets available easily. You can't get anything that heavy in a 9mm.

The 45 would allow a similar jump in bullet weight for an increase in knockdown. Casting your own bullets is a big deal when shooting subsonics, you can make much heavier cast bullets than you get from jacketed stuff. It's also incredibly cheap to do, just like reloading you'll see the financial recoup on equipment quite quickly.

An easy, turn key platform you might consider is the Ruger 77/44 in a bolt action 44mag. The bullet weights available for 44mag will get you some excellent clobbering power with the subsonic ammo, you can get off the shelf factory ammo and it's easy to load for, there's factory support, factory mags, etc. The rifle can be had for a little under $600. By the time you get it threaded and ready to go you're probably under $1000 for brass, dies, bullets, rifle, threading work, etc. My cast bullet reloads for my 44 mag revolver cost about $0.09/round
 
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9mm case head and 5.56 (.223) are the same. 10mm/40S&W and 7.62x39 (AK) are the same - so, depending on which round you decide you like best, start with a rifle or action set up for the longer round.

The CZ 527 is chambered for both the .223 and the 7.62. Magazine is a detachable single stack straight-line feed. Unscrew the barrel and have at it.
 
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The Spannish Destroyer rifles from the wwll was in 9mm, in the size of a M1 carbine.

When it comes to more modern actions the Remington 788 would probably be best solution, and they came in both 222 (9x19)and 308 (.45 ACP).
Point about using 788 is that it has rear locking lugs that will make the feeding much more reliable, than have the loaded cartridge to jump over the recess in the action for the locking lug, or having to remove one of the locking lugs.

I have used Steyer .222 action to make one 9mm, and one thing that makes things difficult is the spring loaded ejector.
To have it to work ok, i had to alter it to "mauserstyle" ejector so it ejects first when the bolt is to the far rear poistion.

Håkan
 
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Just a thought.....

Suppressed rifles in pistol calibers are a bit of an oxymoron. The whole point of suppression is noise control. The whole point of a longer barrel is more velocity which makes it very difficult to keep pistol rounds subsonic. I've gone down this path with a 9mm AR and an SWR Trident 9 can. Even with 147 grain subsonic loads, the longer (16") rifle barrel makes them go super sonic. Haven't tried a suppressed 45acp but that would most likely be your best bet for quiet plus better knockdown as someone else pointed out. But don't try to push a 45 thru a 40 can. Muy big problem.

OR....just use your 40 cal can with a 300 whisper. 223 bolt head spittin out 220 grain 30 cal pill very quietly. Yes, I've tried this with my 9mm can and it works pretty good. Not as quiet as running them thru my 30 cal rifle can but still pretty cool and the pistol cans are a lot lighter than the rifles cans.

OR....buy a 30 cal can and jock up some basic 308 ammo with TrailBoss powder to keep it subsonic. Make sure to use 155 to 168 grain bullets. The standard 308 twists of 1-12, 1-11, 1-10 want stabilize 200+ grain pills goin slow.
 
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Hakan, the Spanish Destroyers are a weak action that will come apart from 38 super level loads sometimes. The rifle also shoots an oddball 9mm, not 9x19. My dad has one that he thought about going down this route until some more research was spent on it, a couple of Destroyer collectors warned him strongly against pushing it too hard.
 
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Always wanted to do one of these.
http://www.troupsystems.com/updates.htm
Rhineland .45
http://www.troupsystems.com/MAUSER/mauser_conversions.htm
Turkw2.jpg
 
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Spuhr was thinking the same as I was The destroyer carbine were chambered for 9mm largo and fed from a single stack 1911 style magazine. I had one a while back it was fun to shoot not overly accurate or nicely build but kinda cool
 
Odd thread I know,

I built my self a Destroy and converted it to 9mm Luger. Set the shoulder ahead reamed and cut the chamber for 9x19 rather than the original 9x23mm also known as the 9mm Largo/ 9mm Bergmann cartridge. Threaded 1/2x28 and it makes a fun toy. You have to remember that is really all it is, limited range rifle that is fun to shoot steel on the range with. 147gr sub sonic ammo and a good 9mm can makes a fun little gun to play with. While I wouldn't recommend cutting up a good destroyer to make a 9x19 bolt action host, you should be able to find one at a gun show. I paid around $200 for mine as a beater gun recently. Starline also makes 9x23 brass should you choose to keep the original chamber and reload subs with the 160 gr FMJ, it makes a great sub round.

Factory mags generally don't feed 9x19 perfectly but I have found that if you run the gun like a Mosin it normally will feed all 6 without issue, some people adapt 9mm 1911 mags to the gun. 45 1911 mags will fit but the feed lips open up to soon and you will have rounds ejecting them selves out of the gun as you try and load them.

While not as cool as a de lisle carbine, the 9mm destroyer is cool toy for 1/4 the cost.
 
What about a 30 carbine, you can download it to ss loads and there just thread an m1 carbine
Dammit, just saw that this was several years old.
 
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its not that I don't appreciate the 45 but I'm wanting this for a suppressed project, and a 9mm suppressed a lot quieter to me than a 45
I do not own a suppressor, but your statement confuses me. Why would the supersonic 9MM be quieter than the subsonic .45?
 
Why not just use the can on an AR in 9MM or .40?

You could always crimp the gas tube to defeat the Semi Auto gas system and then hand cycle each round.

Unless you go subsonic, then you are not changing the DB greatly....

Rock River Arms: RRA LAR-9 9mm

Or the olympic arms that uses GLock mags in 9MM K9-GL or 40 S&W K40-GL

To buy a bolt gun and then modify the bolt & rebarrel seems like a lot for a 9mm rifle
 
Well most people here seem to go with a .223 as a starter, but Im the odd man out here I guess. I have one but I didn't want a full sized gun for a little round so I made a tube gun that uses an AR bolt.
 
9mm case head and 5.56 (.223) are the same. 10mm/40S&W and 7.62x39 (AK) are the same - so, depending on which round you decide you like best, start with a rifle or action set up for the longer round.

The CZ 527 is chambered for both the .223 and the 7.62. Magazine is a detachable single stack straight-line feed. Unscrew the barrel and have at it.

That's news! What are the SAAMI specs for the two (9mm and 223 Rem), when you say they are the same, what do you mean? Do you mean they are the same?
 
I mean they share the same case head size. If you are wanting to build up a rifle chambered for 9mm, you should start with an action that was originally used for a 223/5.56 as the bolt face would already be correct for a 9mm - one less thing to have to alter. Same as with AR's - the (semi auto) AR's in 9mm use the same bolt as the 223's.

So - same case head size is what I meant.
 
They LOOK the same. Try reloading 9mm in a Dillon using a .223 shell plate and you will soon see that they are in fact NOT the same. You may be thinking of the case head of .45 and .308 being the same.
 
The bolt face is not the same dia. You would need to open the 223 bolt face up to use it with 9mm, been there tried it. I also tried the 5.45x39 bolt, it is likely your best bet if you plan to convert something to 9mm.

Case base dia
5.45x39 - 0.394 in
5.56x45 - 0.376 in
9x19 - 0.392 in


I have to agree with Thrusty, in my experience with Pistols and Submachine Guns supersonic 9mm is louder than 45 ACP when suppressed.
 
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