Savage 10 TR 308 threaded 24" vs Rem 700 ss 308 24" 5R milspec

[zerobarrier]

Hello guys,

I am a new member but I have used this site a lot to answer any questions I have about anything gun related. You guys seem to know your stuff. Now I am going to by buying a 308 bolt rifle and have narrowed it down to these two rifles. My use will be from 500-700 yards target and hunting(mostly deer). I do handload. Right now both can be purchased - savage $564.95, rem $1,055.00. What I want to know is why a $500 difference, is the rem that much better? The stocks don't really matter to me because I intend on replacing them with the JP enterprises chassis - JP - Advanced Modular Chassis System™

The savage comes with a threaded barrel and the rem does not. I want threaded for a suppressor but I can always take the rem to local gunsmith to be threaded for more money of course. Now if the savage is just as good as the rem then I would rather save the extra money and put it towards a nice nightforce, sightron, or leupold scope (8-32x).

As for the trigger the savage has the accutrigger which I have heard good things about but a timmney trigger upgrade is only $100-150 for both savage and rem.

So any info/advice would be great. Even recommendations on other rifles I should be looking at.
Thanks

P.S. I hope I posted this in the right place.
Also the savage is the law enforcement edition - I don't know if this really means anything besides it was made for them

 

[tacsniper0888]

The new savages are a force to be reckoned with BUT and this is my personal opinion I have always shot Remington growing up. My first bolt gun was a model 7 in .243 with a luepold fx6! Still have it today! Awesome rifle for a kid or smaller framed woman and I still enjoy carrying it in the woods and hills due to its light weight! I myself just purchased a Remington 700 5R. I've got 30 rounds down the tube of just some old hand loads I had lying around for break-in. I'm waiting on my 200 rounds of federal gold medal match 175gr Sierra HPBT to come in I just ordered. I would for sure either way you go recommend shooting this ammo or the lake city(federal) XM118LR ammo through either gun as from what I have read these are the two most accurate and CONSISTENT production factory loads you can buy. I'm running a millet LRS 5-25X56 for now with an atlas BT-10 bipod! Will let you know how it does this weekend with group size at 100 and how well it performs at distance if my ammo comes in. I intend on stretching mine to 1,000 on targets and whitetails. Gonna work my way there though. A friend of mine just purchased a savage 10BA identical to the .338 lapua they build but in .308. He will be back in town for thanksgiving and we intend on getting some range time to compare the two in a heads up match side by side! Also I look at it as if the Remington's have been shot by the military for 30 years and they haven't made the switch yet, there must be a reason why! Also remington was just awarded a new military contract for the production of the (X)M2010 MSR(modular sniper rifle) in .300 win mag and .338 lapua which is their version of the accuracy international platforms. Very nice stuff! If you have any more questions just shoot! Oh yea, welcome to the hide bro!

 

[TacosGigante]

FWIW I have a Savage 10 FLCP-K in 308 that shoots lights out right out of the box. Getting .5 MOA groups at 100 using XM118LR is fairly common and I'm not that great a shot. I only have access to steel targets at 200-300 yards but yesterday I was ringing them with boring regularity. The trigger is very adjustable and crisp and while I am not a fan of the stock ergonomics the bedding is great. Also, you are getting a chassis anyway, so it wouldn't matter

This isn't to say the REM isn't great, just that the new Savages seem to shoot really really well at a great price.

 

[axshon]

I have the 700 5R on a Mcrees Precision chassis and love it though I wish the barrel were threaded. This gun is practically guaranteed in terms of accuracy and quality for an OOB rig. That said I have seen local shooters post targets that are .5 MOA on a regular basis driving the stock Savages built in the last few years. Savage manufacturing clearly runs a tight ship.

With the 5R you are getting SS which costs more for materials and to manufacture. It has somewhat more rust resistance but it's not rust-proof as some would pretend. It also has 1:11.25 twist 5R rifling which is a discussion in and of itself that more experienced folks than I can talk to. This twist rate is what the .mil tested for with the LR ammo back in the day and is mathematically tight enough for heavy bullets but loose enough for light(er) ones. The standard in the industry right now seems to be 1:10 which is great for heavy bullets but not so much for varmint loads. That may not be a concern for you and it is based on a spreadsheet, not my personal experience so apply grain of salt here. I shoot only 168-178 comp projectiles from my 5R.

All that said, if I were to go back and buy again as a first LR rig I would probably go with the Savage and save the money until I had more trigger time and could afford (and equal in terms of personal ability) a custom action. If I could only have one and keep it forever I'd go with the 5R. YMMV

Note also that if you are hunting by sitting on a stump or walking in the woods both options are going to be pretty barrel heavy and not very fast to turn or easy to hold off hand for more than a few seconds.

 

[ratrod54]

I have a savage 10 PC and shoot suppressed and have been very happy with it. I have had sub MOA groups with this rifle from the start. I do like the accutrigger and while I have had people suggest I change it out, I have had no issues with it at all. I am not sure why they recommended that to me in the first place. I have mine adjusted as light as I can get it for playing on the range and it is right around 1 1/4 lb pull. In addition, I have a 20" barrel and have had no trouble out to 600 yards (that is as far as I have shot it to date). My only caution would be this... there are not as many of after market items available for the Savage as there is for the 700. Depending on what you want to do with it on down the line, I would research what it is you want to do and price a few things before buying. I recently upgraded my stock though with a Manners T4A and love it. It shoots better than before and I was able to put shots int he same hole on two occasions.

All that said, I am looking for a 700 Remington as well but I wouldn't ever give up my Savage. Its a shooter as was right out of the box.

 

[z71rat]

Sounds to me like you are already leaning in the right direction... now to push you over the rest of the way. Get the Savage, don't look back. Use the $500 or so to put toward the rest of the funds towards ammo and training. Without good ammo, and without good training, neither will do you justice.

DK

 

[308FMJ]

On average a Rem shoots just as well as a Savage. But most of the time a Savage shoots better!
Jim

 

[rc2125]

Strayed from Remington rifles awhile back for a few reasons and have had several savages over the past few years, all have shot excellent out of the box, .2-.6 moa with almost any bullet and loading (5R-308, 308, 260rem, 6.5cm, 243win).

Did gamble on a Remington again, a 5R milspec, after reading countless positive accuracy reports, and I'm very pleased with it, much like the savage's it shoots .2-.6moa with about any load.

Not a fan of the trigger guard bolt release on some of the new savage's, like the side release better (more stock/trigger options I think), usually on the non-accustock versions.

Trigger on the 5R was perty heavy, swapped out a spring to get it reliably down around 2 pounds.

Barrel contour on the 5R is perfect, imo, stainless is nice, the 5R action is alot nicer than standard 700's for some reason and I think the rem action is mechanically smoother than savages.

Could sell the rem stock to offset some cost.
Either one will probably be a good shooter.

 

[axshon]

Strayed from Remington rifles awhile back for a few reasons and have had several savages over the past few years, all have shot excellent out of the box, .2-.6 moa with almost any bullet and loading (5R-308, 308, 260rem, 6.5cm, 243win).

Did gamble on a Remington again, a 5R milspec, after reading countless positive accuracy reports, and I'm very pleased with it, much like the savage's it shoots .2-.6moa with about any load.

Not a fan of the trigger guard bolt release on some of the new savage's, like the side release better (more stock/trigger options I think), usually on the non-accustock versions.

Trigger on the 5R was perty heavy, swapped out a spring to get it reliably down around 2 pounds.

Barrel contour on the 5R is perfect, imo, stainless is nice, the 5R action is alot nicer than standard 700's for some reason and I think the rem action is mechanically smoother than savages.

Could sell the rem stock to offset some cost.
Either one will probably be a good shooter.

Agree on all counts: My 5R action is far smoother than the Savage I tried at my LGS and smoother than the 700 SPS Tactical I had before it. I got $275 for my original stock. I prefer the Savage accu-trigger over the x-mark-pro because you can physically feel the first stage and feel when you touch the second stage of the trigger. I believe that's my inexperience though. Break feels about the same on both but again I'm not as experienced as many here. My 700 trigger is set to 3.5 lbs and is very stable there when measured.

 

[Capt Beach]

Been shooting Savages for 30 years or more...even when issued Remingtons as Duty Rifles I still shot my Savage FP (police)

Buy the Savage, use the $500 + to buy a decent stock B&C Medalist, Choate Tactical, McMillan or Manners...YOu look around you might even find a H&S take off of another Savage (why anyone would do that I do not know) and buy some decent glass and AMMO...you will not be sorry...I've got a 1998 110FP in .308 that shoots one ragged 5 shot hole with FGMM 175...IMHO the REMMY FAN BOY STUFF IS FOR THE BIRDS...I've out shot remmy boyz with their $2K customs and $2.5K scopes day in and day out with my 15 year old rifle...its actually pretty fun...check out SAVAGE SHOOTERS DOT COM

And yes the action on a Savage is a little sloppy...its a modular action...UNTIL IT GOES INTO BATTERY...then its tight...also with less than $100 in tools you can do your own barrel/caliber changes...A Remington requires a trip to the gunsmith for that...and a few weeks + waiting and a lighter wallet when you walk out and MAYBE its shoots like it did before...