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Yeah. I suspect the trick is to put in the correct data into a search. The thing is on the Blaser systems, the stock is the action. Be it R8, R93, Tactical 2, LRS.
So…when you see Blaser stock, that is the serial numbered receiver. If you look on Ebay, you will occasionally someone list a Blaser stock not realizing it's an actual firearm. So be careful there.
The one that is hard to find generally is a Tactical 2 or LRS stock. They are the least common.
I think Eurooptic lists the Tactical 2 as a stock only option.
Hope this helps.
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I always thought it would be awesome to make a bullpup out of a Blaser action
I have also thought a blaser bullpup would be super sweet, I was thinking that the bolt handle could possibly be moved to the front of the bolt, or even extended forward to improve ergo's on the rifle. Niedermeier rifles makes a bullpup version, but the way they've executed it, I think you would have to take the rifle off your shoulder to cycle it. Exciting idea though, I would love a bolt action bullpup that is light, and has good ergo's, the DTA's are awesome! Except that their ten pounds and six grand!
What's interesting is that a Norwegian company has produced a laminated wood stock for the Blaser. I came across it when browsing listings on GB. A dealer in AZ pointed it out to me. R8 with GRS. Don't know how GRS (HOME - GRSRIFLESTOCKS) did it but that leads me to believe that it can be done. I'd love it if I could put the R8 or Tac 2 into a different chassis.
And for what it's worth, the user manual for my new Blaser Tactical 2 actually shows a folding stock that looks more like an AX or other modern stock (Picatinny railed forearm etc.). I wonder if this means a new chassis is coming.
And for what it's worth, the user manual for my new Blaser Tactical 2 actually shows a folding stock that looks more like an AX or other modern stock (Picatinny railed forearm etc.). I wonder if this means a new chassis is coming.
The folding stock Tactical 2 was Blaser's / SIG's submission for the SOCOM PSR competition. SIG even had one at SHOT in Carbon Fiber. Alas, they didn't win the contract. My contacts with Blaser have lead me to believe they will not be doing the folder for general consumption. The impression they gave me was it wasn't as stable as hoped. Maybe that means play in the unfolded setup?
There is now one on Gunbroker and two in Gunsamercia. They were asking 12K at one point. Smoking crack, IMO. Here's one.
BLASER LRS TACTICAL 2, FOLDING STOCK : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com
I suspect the folder is also heavier, which is not something I want. Especially considering the rifle ALREADY comes apart as a takedown with no extra weight.
GRS, to my understanding, takes an existing "receiver" and puts their wood on it. There is a dealer up near Camp Perry that deals with GRS that can probably get you one as well. I'm not sure if you have to send them a receiver or just buy one already converted from them?
If I didn't already have a Tactical 2, I would seriously consider it for my R8. But I'm not sure I want to give up what the hunting config offers in lite weight. The other side is I SERIOUSLY shoot the Tactical 2 Stock config VERY damn well. SO who knows.
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TacticalTshirtsREP
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The 'action' on the R93's can be removed from the parent stock as it's merely an alloy bedding block style affair that houses the trigger group and provides the block style bedding for the barrel.
There are a number of manufacturers that are making stocks for the R93 and now the R8. I can't remember the name but there was a thread about a Russian stock maker on here who was making cabrin fibre stocks for them, as well as Sig Saur themselves with a number of chassis's available.
Here's a pic which shows the 'action' of the Blaser.
There are a number of manufacturers that are making stocks for the R93 and now the R8. I can't remember the name but there was a thread about a Russian stock maker on here who was making cabrin fibre stocks for them, as well as Sig Saur themselves with a number of chassis's available.
Here's a pic which shows the 'action' of the Blaser.
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Have you ever seen a Blaser action for sale without it being in a complete rifle?
TTR
Here is the link to the custom Russian Blaser stock:
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...n-fiber-stocks-evil-empire-2.html#post2520785
rxs0
No.
If your looking at a project using the Blaser action then your best bet may be starting with a complete rifle and restocking to suit your needs.
JJ
Per the members of my shooting club, you migth want to look at starting with a rifle and/or action other than Blaser.
There have apparently been several incidences of Blaser bolts detaching from the action during firing and embedding themselves in the jaw of the shooter ... requiring reconstructive surgery. I've driven past the Blaser factory on several occasions and had almost convinced HH6 that I "needed" to get one; discussion with local shooters has convinced me otherwise.
I'll stick with Winchester Model 70 CRF actions and derivatives thereof.
Here are the facts regarding Accidents with Blaser rifles Model R93
DeporTiro Online Magazine- The Guns Magazine on the Web - www.deportiro.com
The accidents occurred only with the R93 rifle and were presumably due to faulty ammunition (reloads). This can happen with any rifle. No blow up accidents have been reported with the Blaser Tactical 2 or R8.
rxs0
The only other straight pull I can think of off the top of my head is a Mauser M96.
I'm satisfied with the security of the Blaser action and it has been designed to withstand 120,000 psi...
As for other straight pull actions, Fortner actions (in Anschutz biathlon rifles) and the new Merkel Helix look appealing. Merkel is probably next on my list.
As for other straight pull actions, Fortner actions (in Anschutz biathlon rifles) and the new Merkel Helix look appealing. Merkel is probably next on my list.
I have no concerns with the Blaser actions. I will admit of course, when I was first looking at them I rationalized that the R8 and the Tactical 2 will be upgraded and not subject to those "problems".
I subsequently figured out that the blown up rifle I know of was used by a seriously, seriously dumb-ass who kept firing his rifle multiple times until it finally let go. My Winchester 70 wouldn't have held up to what that tool did. And not as long as the Blaser action did.
In the end, it's about personal choice. It took me a bit to wade into the straight pull game. After some experience I have really come to trust my Blaser actions. I don't try to profess what others should run. Frankly my Dear, I don't give a damn. People's favorite bullet launcher is usually the least important thing when talking target groups and hits.
I will add there was something I ran across on the early Blaser rifles that used a plastic part in the bolt housing. Not all but some. It seems if the round flowed, the gases would melt that part and unlock the action. Which made some sense.
The good news is Blaser stopped that config of construction long ago in gne R93s. And would convert any R93 bolt they ran across containing such a config to an upgraded steel part. What's my point? That is something I can easily wrap my mind around and easily check. The r93 barrels and the LRS stock is calling me bad. 6mm bullets the tac 2 doesn't get.
I have inquired to see if Blaser would do a 6mm, 6.5, 260, 6.5-284 barrel for the Tac 2? The responses seemed to be no. I then inquired as or the possibility of an LRS R8 (LRS 8) config stock, and they didn't discount that. But I was told to my face if they did, it would have a more conventional look as opposed to the Tac 2. I think the PSR Tac 2 stock reflects that insecurity.
Me? I would LOVE a LRS R8 configured like the Tac or original LRS. Which is hilarious considering when I FIRST saw the Blaser Tactical years ago, I dismissed it out of hand as "another 20# sniper rifle" made by guys who don't actually hump their gear. Well....here I am. Eatting crow. And it's much lighter than 20#.
Life is funny. The blaser action is fine.
TTR
I subsequently figured out that the blown up rifle I know of was used by a seriously, seriously dumb-ass who kept firing his rifle multiple times until it finally let go. My Winchester 70 wouldn't have held up to what that tool did. And not as long as the Blaser action did.
In the end, it's about personal choice. It took me a bit to wade into the straight pull game. After some experience I have really come to trust my Blaser actions. I don't try to profess what others should run. Frankly my Dear, I don't give a damn. People's favorite bullet launcher is usually the least important thing when talking target groups and hits.
I will add there was something I ran across on the early Blaser rifles that used a plastic part in the bolt housing. Not all but some. It seems if the round flowed, the gases would melt that part and unlock the action. Which made some sense.
The good news is Blaser stopped that config of construction long ago in gne R93s. And would convert any R93 bolt they ran across containing such a config to an upgraded steel part. What's my point? That is something I can easily wrap my mind around and easily check. The r93 barrels and the LRS stock is calling me bad. 6mm bullets the tac 2 doesn't get.
I have inquired to see if Blaser would do a 6mm, 6.5, 260, 6.5-284 barrel for the Tac 2? The responses seemed to be no. I then inquired as or the possibility of an LRS R8 (LRS 8) config stock, and they didn't discount that. But I was told to my face if they did, it would have a more conventional look as opposed to the Tac 2. I think the PSR Tac 2 stock reflects that insecurity.
Me? I would LOVE a LRS R8 configured like the Tac or original LRS. Which is hilarious considering when I FIRST saw the Blaser Tactical years ago, I dismissed it out of hand as "another 20# sniper rifle" made by guys who don't actually hump their gear. Well....here I am. Eatting crow. And it's much lighter than 20#.
Life is funny. The blaser action is fine.
TTR
Blaser has introduced a version of the R8 called the B.O.A.R. It is an R8 Professional, with the Safari or Match barrel channel and an adjustable cheek piece. Makes for a true field/hunting/precision rifle that does not look like a boat paddle.
Blaser has introduced a version of the R8 called the B.O.A.R. It is an R8 Professional, with the Safari or Match barrel channel and an adjustable cheek piece. Makes for a true field/hunting/precision rifle that does not look like a boat paddle.
Do you know if that comes with an alloy receiver like the professional or steel "receiver" like the Big Bore / Safari?
TTR
The B.O.A.R stock come with the standard inserts, not the heavier steel version. If you need or want more weight then add the recoil reducer.
I prefer the steel. No worries.
TTR
TTR
I do have one update to this. It seems some dealers have the GRS stock in. That comes with the "action" already installed by Blaser. Might be an option. Although expensive.
TTR
TTR
Another option, Christensen Carbon R8 and R93 rifles which use Blaser actions.
I am not sure when and if these will be available in the USA.
Christensen Europe
Download Catalogue
http://www.christenseneurope.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogue/ChristensenEurope_catalogue.pdf
rxs0
I am not sure when and if these will be available in the USA.
Christensen Europe
Download Catalogue
http://www.christenseneurope.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogue/ChristensenEurope_catalogue.pdf
rxs0
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Another option, Christensen Carbon R8 and R93 rifles which use Blaser actions.
I am not sure when and if these will be available in the USA.
Christensen Europe
Download Catalogue
http://www.christenseneurope.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogue/ChristensenEurope_catalogue.pdf
rxs0
Wow. Have they released that publicly?
I was talking to someone who makes CF stocks and they claim it absorbs recoil. I'm not sure so I buy into that. Or if it does, I am not sure it is more than negligible. Academic even.
Anyone with any experience have an opinion?
TTR
Here is an excerpt from Christensen Europe website.
The carbon fiber reinforced polymer is an extremely strong and light weight substance which is used extensively in the manufacturing of high end sports equipment, racing cars, airplanes, etc.
The Carbon Graphite has high density, rapidly dissipates heat, does not expand with heat and is:
- 3 to 4 times stronger than steel
- 4 to 5 times stiffer than steel
- 5 to 6 times lighter than steel
The carbon barrel we manufacture consists of a high quality steel barrel liner wrapped in radial and axial layers of carbon graphite fiber.
The carbon barrel is light, rigid and quickly dissipates heat; resulting in longevity, durability and successive shot accuracy.
The carbon barrel has no built in residual stresses, and its accuracy is not affected by temperature.
It shoot straight – hot or cold and last 25% longer than steel barrel.
The carbon stock is a light weight stock made of carbon graphite with rigidity and stability of a bench rest stock.
It maintains its shape in cold, hot and humid conditions. It is scratch proof and is not damaged in extreme hunting conditions.
The carbon stock stiffness reduces the recoil shock by more than 30% in comparison with wood or synthetic stocks.
It is non-corrosive and requires no maintenance.
The carbon rifle is very comfortable to carry and shoot.
It weighs about 2.5 kg without scope and due to high density of the carbon graphite and its structural design it produces very little recoil even with ultra magnum calibers .
All of our carbon rifles are delivered with a removable muzzle break to achieve tight grouping on long distance shots and reduce muzzle lift for quick follow up shots.
The Carbon R8 is 600 grams lighter and has 30% less recoil due to the high density of carbon graphite and the structural design of our Carbon Stock.
The Carbon R8 carbon stock is scratch proof, maintains its form in all weather conditions and requires no maintenance. Its performance is comparable with a heavy bench-rest stock.
The carbon fiber reinforced polymer is an extremely strong and light weight substance which is used extensively in the manufacturing of high end sports equipment, racing cars, airplanes, etc.
The Carbon Graphite has high density, rapidly dissipates heat, does not expand with heat and is:
- 3 to 4 times stronger than steel
- 4 to 5 times stiffer than steel
- 5 to 6 times lighter than steel
The carbon barrel we manufacture consists of a high quality steel barrel liner wrapped in radial and axial layers of carbon graphite fiber.
The carbon barrel is light, rigid and quickly dissipates heat; resulting in longevity, durability and successive shot accuracy.
The carbon barrel has no built in residual stresses, and its accuracy is not affected by temperature.
It shoot straight – hot or cold and last 25% longer than steel barrel.
The carbon stock is a light weight stock made of carbon graphite with rigidity and stability of a bench rest stock.
It maintains its shape in cold, hot and humid conditions. It is scratch proof and is not damaged in extreme hunting conditions.
The carbon stock stiffness reduces the recoil shock by more than 30% in comparison with wood or synthetic stocks.
It is non-corrosive and requires no maintenance.
The carbon rifle is very comfortable to carry and shoot.
It weighs about 2.5 kg without scope and due to high density of the carbon graphite and its structural design it produces very little recoil even with ultra magnum calibers .
All of our carbon rifles are delivered with a removable muzzle break to achieve tight grouping on long distance shots and reduce muzzle lift for quick follow up shots.
The Carbon R8 is 600 grams lighter and has 30% less recoil due to the high density of carbon graphite and the structural design of our Carbon Stock.
The Carbon R8 carbon stock is scratch proof, maintains its form in all weather conditions and requires no maintenance. Its performance is comparable with a heavy bench-rest stock.
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I must be dumber than a hammered rock. How can it have 30% less recoil, be stiffer, but lighter? Meaning less mass?
To my thinking, it has to reduce recoil either through weight (mass) or flex (stiffness).
School me here.
TTR
Steel Shaft Vs Carbon Fiber Shaft
Steel Shaft Vs Carbon Fiber Shaft - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stxpARWr1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Oww59Q9_U
rxs0
Steel Shaft Vs Carbon Fiber Shaft - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stxpARWr1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Oww59Q9_U
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I'm just having some conceptual problems with this subject in relation to rifle stocks and recoil. OK. Sure. I can see the argument being made on stiffness and vibration when dealing with machining.
But a rifle's recoil is not a function of vibration. At least not in the user-perceived part. It's a force that is imparted on the system. Sure it builds on a logarithmic curve, but it's that large spike in energy that get's dumped on the user.
Sure vibration may play a part throughout the process, but I can't help but wonder if that data, while measurable mathematically, is negligible. From the end user perspective.
Newton's laws still apply. And…even from an unscientific point of view, that concept flys in the face of even the standard recoil pad. The stocks listed above still have recoil pads to dampen perceived recoil. Carbon fiber or not. The very argument being made is literally counter to even the existence of the recoil pad on the stock.
Sure….I must be coming off as some kind of flat-earth type of guy, and I am willing to admit I am open to concept of the world being round. But in this case, it seems negligible.
TTR
But a rifle's recoil is not a function of vibration. At least not in the user-perceived part. It's a force that is imparted on the system. Sure it builds on a logarithmic curve, but it's that large spike in energy that get's dumped on the user.
Sure vibration may play a part throughout the process, but I can't help but wonder if that data, while measurable mathematically, is negligible. From the end user perspective.
Newton's laws still apply. And…even from an unscientific point of view, that concept flys in the face of even the standard recoil pad. The stocks listed above still have recoil pads to dampen perceived recoil. Carbon fiber or not. The very argument being made is literally counter to even the existence of the recoil pad on the stock.
Sure….I must be coming off as some kind of flat-earth type of guy, and I am willing to admit I am open to concept of the world being round. But in this case, it seems negligible.
TTR
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