Rifle Scopes need to be sent in the right direction

[10031994BC]

Hello, I am new to snipers hide but I have been a long time looker, until today. If this is in the wrong place please some one move it.

I have been looking for 5 days now on this subject and now I figured I would ask some people who know what they are talking about.

I am new to the long range shooting but I have done my home work, and know how to shoot and range and other things. I have been a spotter for a guy who has no @#$% clue on how to shoot long range (He's my best friend). He does what I tell him to put into the scope. And it has worked out well, but now I have my own gun. Remington 700 .308 bull barrel (its a built gun started with an ADL now it has a AICS mag as well as other s**t. ill get into it later)

I am looking at scopes right now; I like the vortex viper PST, this wont be the scope that stays on it, would like a Nightforce or a Schmidt and Bender some day.

But I am torn between 1/10 MIL and 1/4 MOA. This is where I need some setting straight what do you think is better and why. I like the MIL/MIL combo. the guy I spot for uses, well tries to, a MIL dot with 1/4 MOA turrets. I've used 1/4 MOA for sighting in my hunting rifles and know about that and crap. I know that doesn't mean nothing to no one but I'm use to it.

I would like to shoot out past 600 yards maybe even 1100 if my bullets will still be stabilized that far, and they don't key hole. What I don't want is to run out of elevation or wind age adjustment on the scope. I don't mind trying new things especially if they are better, and I love to mess around with new shit. I guess what I would like to know is how many use 1/10 MIL and 1/4 MOA. it would be nice to hear from some one who has used them both and could direct me to one or the other

Thank you

 

[Asperly Aimless]

20 MOA rail.

Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA is user preference. Make sure your adjustments and reticle match and pick your poison.

To answer your question directly: I have used both, and I prefer Mil/Mil.

 

[Km22]

I have both. It doesn't matter as long as they match. I think in the polls here, it comes out to 70/30 in favor of MILs.

 

[Crosshair]

I agree with the above, probably about 70/30 in favor of mils on this site. I think there are more mil-based reticle options out there and you definitely want the turrets to match. I overall prefer mils, but Moa is fine too.

 

[sib1948]

20 or 30 MOA rail or scope mount for sure to get your distance, but MOA or mils is your preference. Reticle and turrets should match. I use mil, but either would work. Pick a reticle you prefer and should decide between FFP and SFP. I chose FFP, since I want the ability to range with the reticle at unknown distances. You can range with SFP scope, but generally at only one or two magnification levels.

That being said, I would start out using you present scope and just go out and start shooting. Practice, practice and more practice. Vortex viper PSTs are decent scopes and as you become more proficient, you'll have a much better idea of the qualities you would like in your premium scope purchase. Also if there is a range near you, spend some time there and talk to others about their scopes. Most people are happy to let you look through them and I usually let interested parties shoot a few rounds through my weapon, of cusing, using my scope. Even find some local matches to shoot. Most people there are also very knowledgeable and extremely helpful!

I've only been shooting 1 1/2 years and just got into reloading. The cycle of learning never seems to end-new rifles, scopes, bullets, etc every year. Too much fun to be legal!!

The one thing I have found is that most people are much more picky about their scope than their rifle, because no matter what rifle you chose and what you spend, it's not worth a hill of beans, without the right scope that you can use for the type of shooting you plan to do most. As you practice more and research and talk to people, you'll see what I mean. Good luck.

 

[OptedOut]

Before you go back and forth over scopes/rifles/accessories I'd recommend you look into good "shooting schools" in your area. There are quite a few now all over the US. No matter how much you know now you'll come away with a much higher proficiency and in most instances you'll get to use a variety of rifles and scopes. Then you'll be ready to make better purchasing decisions and won't 'waste' so much ammo in the learning curve period.

 

[JSTARSZ]

I agree with what people wrote but I will give you some additional perspective...I have used both MOA and Mil scopes but I started out with MOA with a Vortex Razor and have added USO's that are in IPHY so it would be too expensive to go back. If I had to start over again I would do a Mil/Mil set-up because no matter what a Mil is Mil but you can't say that for MOA...it could be MOA/IPHY - is it 1.047" @ 100 yards or 1"@100 yards and variations that do matter as you get out to longer ranges. More people shoot Mil scopes so resale is easier when you want to move up scopes as there is a much larger MIL/MIL audience. As far as major differences if you have a turret and reticle that match it is that much easier to use; however, go with the flow and population and get a MIL/MIL set-up and save yourself the hassles later on. Just ones guy's opinion.

 

[PittsDriver]

Good first post BC and welcome to the hide.

There have been good recomendations here and JSTARSZ sumed it up best.

Personally I prefer mil/mil. I have had both and you said your buddy has a mil dot scope with moa turrets. If you go mil/mil you can still call his shots and vice versa. He is the one having to make the calculations for his moa turrets, not you. A friend of mine I occasionaly shoot with has a moa/moa scope and when I call an impact in mils it screws him up so I end up giving him a reference based on target size.

 

[10031994BC]

I would like to thank everyone that has taken the time to post and help me out. I believe that I will go with a MIL/MIL set up. And because my rangefinder limits out at about 500 yards or so. I would like to range find with my scope, so if I find a FFP I will pick it up. (I like SFP but I'm trying new stuff) . This will be my first year pulling the trigger, but my long range obsession has been 3+ years in the making. I would be lying if I told you, I didn't know how to dope a scope for a 600 yard shot wind and all.

I have been hand loading for a little while now, that was what led me to long range shooting. I have had a lot of time behind a rifle, but never past 300 yards. I am looking forward to getting out and shooting soon. I will use the scope that came with the rifle, It was a dicks special with an no name scope. I will use it to work up a hand load for the gun, assuming that it can hold a zero.

Thank you all for your help

 

[sib1948]

You're welcome from all and have fun in 2014, hitting targets to 1000 yards!