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AICS 1.5 or 2.0 w Viperskins or AI AX?

tackleberry2000

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Looking at going with a chassis for my 308. Been looking at the AICS 1.5 or 2.0 and getting Viperskins. Not real sure if I want to go folding but if I go with the 2.0 and Viperskins I'm already real close to the price of the AI AX chassis. Not sure on the AI AX due to having to probably buy a new set of scope rings. The price of a new set of rings isn't really in the cards at the moment due to wanting to pick up a couple extra mags when I buy a chassis.

Looking for some suggestions and some insight here. (Twist my arm) I'm already running HS precision stock and DBM. Should I just run what I got?

Are folding stocks really worth the extra money? That's the biggest decision I'm facing right now. Looking to buy something within the next month.
 
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I was kind of in the same boat as you except I didnt have the choice of AX or AICS 1.5 since AI only makes AICS 2.0 for Savage SAs. I had HS precision with DBM before and have zero regrets with going with AICS 2.0. Its a more stable and comfortable platform to shoot from. The benefit of the 2.0 for me is that it fits in the small cases that I use for my ARs and its also easier to clean when folded.

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Thanks Bach. Thinking of the 2.0 w viperskins. Really dont wanna change my scope rings out and the collapsable stock with my 20" bbl will make packability better.
 
Yup. Cant go wrong with 2.0 and viperskins
 
It's a Roedale clamp on

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I like the folding versions of the AICS and AX.

I prefer the AICS for switch barrel applications and the AX for fixed barrel builds. The AX system uses a different magazine and magazine changes are easier.

I'd probably go AX
 
I think it all comes down to what you want to do with the rifle. If you want full length rails to mount NV or whatever else then AX is the better choice. I have no plans on mounting anything else besides a scope and have no use for 20sq ft of rails on a LR rifle so I wouldnt get the AX even if it was available for Savage.

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If nothing else, the folder is worth it for cleaning. Gets the cheekpiece out of the way of the cleaning rod without having to remove it.
 
I have the AX folder.

I was torn but, I plan to mount NV...So, I went with the AX.

I prefer it...Personally but, it's one of those preference deals.
 
Im not looking to mount anything but a scope on mine so looks like the AICS 2.0 w a set of skins. Ive got another option if i wanted to go with night vision.

Thanks for the advice. I have a atlas bipod for it but dont want to use the adapter. I have a short blackhawk rail the attaches to the sling stud. Anyone know if that will work on the AICS?
 
It should. I have the blackhawk rail that you talking about and will let you know for sure. Any particular reason why you dont wand to use the adapter?

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Bach said:
Yup. Cant go wrong with 2.0 and viperskins
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Curious. I sent a message to Victor today to ask about Savage AICS skins and was told that they didnt make skins for the Savage Chassis. Where did you get those? Are they specific to the Savage chassis or are they same as the Remington based chassis?
 
You are correct they dont make savage specific. These are for remington based chassis.

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Trying to keep my bipod where i can use it in several rifles i have. And I'm being a little cheap at the moment.
 
Bach said:
You are correct they dont make savage specific. These are for remington based chassis.

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Just to make sure I understand, they are universal and will work for either Savage or Remington?
 
No, they are def NOT universal. Viperskins are designed only for AICS Remi chassis. I had to cut around the mag and bolt release, and remove some material around the trigger to make it work. It's 80% there. Hopefully with enough people bothering either AI (pistol grip) or victor will make savage specific skins.

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tackleberry2000 said:
Im not looking to mount anything but a scope on mine so looks like the AICS 2.0 w a set of skins. Ive got another option if i wanted to go with night vision.

Thanks for the advice. I have a atlas bipod for it but dont want to use the adapter. I have a short blackhawk rail the attaches to the sling stud. Anyone know if that will work on the AICS?
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Bad news. The blackhawk rail will not work. The stud on the AICS is too big.

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Murphy's law in action. Lol. Teach me to be a cheap ass on a 4k project. Thanks for checking.

I have a second atlas with screw on rail clamp i can use with the adapter. Its on the AP4 and forgot about it. Thanks again for checking.
 
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Ya haha whats another $300

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Funny how that works. lol. Just like scopes. One day your going "I can't believe I just spent 500 bucks" and the next its 1800-2600 for one.

How do u like the rear mono pod? I'm just using a bag for now. Do u have to modify the stock or is it set up for it already?
 
Im used to it and like it. Have it on my other rifles too. I just like having everything on the rifle ready to go. A buddy uses a rear bag and hates mono. So whatever works for you.

If you get v2 rear viperskins then there is nothing to modify as long as you get the AI specific monopod BT-08 QK. With 2.0 AICS skins you have to get a kit and drill a hole to make it work

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Most my shooting is in the dirt. Have a shooting mat but thats it. Its only seen a bench a couple times. Thanks for the info and help.
 
Bach, earlier this past fall tom irwin was talking about plans to sell the back half of ai pistol grip stock sets. These would be what a savage needs to convert it to pistol grip. Basically the buttstock section and the backstrap of the grip. I have a set of viperskins on a 700 and they are higher quality plastic then ai. My 700 needed them as the trigger was way to close to the grip. On my two savage aics i find the trigger grip perfect as is, plus i kinda like the thumbhole.
 
6brshooter said:
Bach, earlier this past fall tom irwin was talking about plans to sell the back half of ai pistol grip stock sets. These would be what a savage needs to convert it to pistol grip. Basically the buttstock section and the backstrap of the grip. I have a set of viperskins on a 700 and they are higher quality plastic then ai. My 700 needed them as the trigger was way to close to the grip. On my two savage aics i find the trigger grip perfect as is, plus i kinda like the thumbhole.
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That's nice to hear. I agree about viperskin quality compared to AI. I understand why a co. the size of victor co doesnt offer the skins for savage since savage AICS numbers out there are a tiny fraction of what Remington numbers are, but im hoping AI offers them real soon since it's their chassis haha.

I havent tried shooting with the thumbhole. I might like it better then viperskins. I just need to get used to the color 1st lol

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I was in the same boat a few weeks back - decided on the 1.5 (non-folding) and I did a set of viper skins.
(Victor Company is great to deal with and I even caught a sale) For me - I was thinking I would never use the folding stock and I didn't want/need the function. Other things to consider are the cheek piece, thumb screws, bi-pod adapter and or the mono pod adapter for the rear - if you order the 2.0 rear skins from Viper they are setup with a hole for the mono pod from accu-shot (BT08-QK)

Brand New AICS 1.5 stock
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Here is the 1.5 and a test fit of the Viperskins
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Here is a close up of the differences between the 2.0 rear skin and the 1.5 (bottom)
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tackleberry2000 said:
Looking at going with a chassis for my 308. Been looking at the AICS 1.5 or 2.0 and getting Viperskins. Not real sure if I want to go folding but if I go with the 2.0 and Viperskins I'm already real close to the price of the AI AX chassis. Not sure on the AI AX due to having to probably buy a new set of scope rings. The price of a new set of rings isn't really in the cards at the moment due to wanting to pick up a couple extra mags when I buy a chassis.

Looking for some suggestions and some insight here. (Twist my arm) I'm already running HS precision stock and DBM. Should I just run what I got?

Are folding stocks really worth the extra money? That's the biggest decision I'm facing right now. Looking to buy something within the next month.
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Nice! I really like that camo finish. Im going to get that next once im bored with black.

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Kosmos did u deal directly with Victor Company. Seen a thread the other day of some here having issues with screw hole line up on there Viperskins.
 
You should wait until midnight to see what the new AT chassis will look like.
 
I'm digging the new AXAICS buttstock! Now you have more reasons to get the AX over the AT. It doesnt sound like there is an actual difference between AT and AICS in chassis design. It's more of ergonomic differences. I would get the AT if its priced close to AICS and available soon just because it's new lol.

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Thats cruel! I think im gonna go w a 1.5 w viperskins for now. I can look at the AT chassis this summer. Damn this is ean expensive addiction!
 
Went with the 1.5. This summer ill be looking at an AT chassis for a build if my 26" 308 dont start shooting better. Will post a pic when its all together.
 
tackleberry2000 said:
Went with the 1.5. This summer ill be looking at an AT chassis for a build if my 26" 308 dont start shooting better. Will post a pic when its all together.
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After weighing the options I too went with a 1.5. It's comfortable to me and I feel no loss of bells and whistles.
 
I thought a while on it and dont really see me needing a folding stock at this time. If i do a build i might consider it with the new AT folder but heard the new AX folds over the bolt knob. Might look that way since i like the idea of it protecting the bolt handle.
 
I went with the AX on a custom build after originally having it bedded into a USMC return stock. When I went to the AX, accuracy suffered. My smith recommended having the AX bedded to see if accuracy returned, which it did MOSTLY to previous levels. In discussing this with my smith, he pointed out that the AX chassis offers less support of the action than the old AICS chassis. You should observe how much more the AICS chassis envelops the action, coming up much higher on the sides than the AX chassis, where the action looks more like its sitting on top of the chassis rather than inside it. I cant speak to the AT chassis. And you will probably need a new set of taller rings to clear "barrel shroud". My words not theirs.
 
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tackleberry2000 said:
Went with the 1.5. This summer ill be looking at an AT chassis for a build if my 26" 308 dont start shooting better. Will post a pic when its all together.
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Nice choice man. You'll have good excuse later on to get a folder haha

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Rookie said:
I went with the AX on a custom build after originally having it bedded into a USMC return stock. When I went to the AX, accuracy suffered. My smith recommended having the AX bedded to see if accuracy returned, which it did MOSTLY to previous levels. In discussing this with my smith, he pointed out that the AX chassis offers less support of the action than the old AICS chassis. You should observe how much more the AICS chassis envelops the action, coming up much higher on the sides than the AX chassis, where the action looks more like its sitting on top of the chassis rather than inside it. I speak to the AT chassis. And you will probably need a new set of taller rings to clear "barrel shroud". My words not theirs.
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The new rings i would need were the reason i went with the AICS this go around. Needing the spigot for the new atlas that just came out and then still needing to pay for it played a big part in the decision. That and the viperskins were 40.00 off helped too. Money will be better in the summer and im gonna be eyeballing the AT series to see what others say.
 
Did you put everything together? You might have to change to higher rings even with AICS. At least thats my experiance. There is maybe 1-1.5mm clearance between my scope and barrel and I had ni issues with sight picture in the HSP stock. With AICS, I feel the scope is mounted too low. The cheekpiece is all the way down and to the right and the sight pucture us just ok. Im looking into new base and taller rings. Just wondering if you have the same issue

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Viperskins came in today. Stock, according to tracking, will be here next monday. Hope i dont have to change the rings. Thats why i didnt got with the AX stock. Would be my luck though. Have the spigot coming from Triad. Hope to have it all together before next weekend.
 
Rookie said:
And you will probably need a new set of taller rings to clear "barrel shroud". My words not theirs.
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Oh, that's the shoulder thing that goes up!

I have to wonder how many users actually have a use for the shroud/rails on their precision rifles AX stocks.
 
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About the only thing i would use the shroud for would be mounting my bipod at this time. Someday maybe a night vision device but want a can first.
 
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