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Rifle Scopes When in doubt, cant is better in the mount than the base

BigJimFish

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When in doubt, cant is better in the mount than the base:

As one-piece scope mounts, many of which have built-in cant, have become more common on the market the question of whether it is better to have cant built into the mount or into the base caught my attention. Previously, when scopes were always mounted in rings, no one had a choice in the matter. Initially, I was inclined to think that it didn't much matter which option the user went with, but I have changed my mind on the subject and, for a variety of reasons, I have come to the belief that going with a flat base and inclined mount is the smarter option for users to whom it might matter. I should add that unless you occasionally use your optics on more than one rifle, I still don't think it matters. However, if you, like me, switch optics between rifles, it does matter and here are the reasons why:

1) The magnitude of cant most useful for a particular scope / rifle combination is more dependent on the optic than the rifle and when switching optics around, it is not the base that moves with the optic, but the mount. With the exception of things like purpose built bench guns, being able to adjust a little further out is usually a bit better. This calls for a more tilted base. However, not all scopes can accommodate even 20MOA, let alone 30 or 40. If the choice is made to go with a high tilt base, this limits the user's scope selection in the future and might even impede the resale value on the used market in the case of a bedded base or integral rail. It makes more sense to go with the canted mount as, unlike the base, that mount will presumably travel with the optic from rifle to rifle: properly matching the optic to its ideal cant on each platform.

2) Whereas a wide variety of canted mounts exist, some rifles with integral bases do not come in anything but flat. One of the primary reasons that I switch optics around is to do load development on, and shoot long range with, an AR and a SCAR. Both of these rifles have flat tops and only regularly come that way. If I use a canted base on my precision rifle, this causes two problems. First, the zero is very far off on either of the flat platforms when the optic is moved over. Second, I do not get the benefit of the extra adjustment range I have on the precision rifle with the other two platforms. This is unfortunate because these are sub-MOA guns that are quite capable of benefiting from the extra potential range.

I realize that the cost of using a one piece integral mount with cant instead of a tilted base is that the optic typically ends up sitting higher on the rifle. I will add that, not only is this a general cost of using a one-piece base; it is also a price that must typically be paid when using an optic on more than one rifle. For this reason, an excellent argument can be made for using low rings and a tilted base. However, for those looking to use a scope on more than one rifle, or buying a one-piece mount anyway: buy the flat base and tilted mount.

What do you all think?
 
I agree.
Having a flat base gives you more options, and swapping bases is a PITA compared to changing out a mount. I bed and pin my bolt gun rails.

As you pointed out, the scope dictates the appropriate cant, so a mount could be "paired" with an optic when moved between similar rifles. This won't always work, of course... moving a scope from a Remington 700 to an AR pattern rifle is going to require a mount change as well.
 
For a while I swapped a G2DMR back and forth from my bolt gun and my POF. I used a 20moa Seekins base on my bolt gun and had a 22moa Badger riser on my AR. I was able to leave the Seekins lows on the scope and swap back and forth, wasn't too much of a pain. I wouldn't want to run a scope mount that was the proper height for an AR on my bolt gun, cheek weld issues would be there. I eventually did what most said I would, got another scope but if I had to swap back and forth that was my preferred method.

If I were swapping from one AR to another then yes, I'd rather have a canted scope mount and not deal with risers for both weapons.
 
I think it complicates a non issue.

I don't think one is better over the other. Bolt gun gets a canted base. Flat top rail gets a canted mount. The end.
 
Don't change scopes and have a dedicated scope per rifle. Easy.
 
If trying to share a scope even on occasion, my preference is for the cant to me in the 1 piece mount vs. the base. All new mounts for me are canted and the bases are flat regardless of the application.
 
I tell my customers to use rings and a canted base rather than a canted uni-mount in all cases except on guns with integral 0 MOA rails. Rings offer advantages such as lower height and placement flexibility along the length of the tube. For structural reasons, best practice is to separate the rings as much as possible. Many one piece uni-mounts provide woefully inadequate support for the scope, especially those which cantilever the forward ring by a couple of inches or more. I understand why people use these on ARs, but I would suggest that they buy an AR with a full length rail if they plan on scoping it. There is absolutely no excuse for something like that on a bolt gun.
 
I disagree. If your rifles all have similar bases then rock with it but whenever I feel the need to move an optic I've almost always had to use a different mount. I don't play musical scopes on rifles, when I budget a rifle I budget buying another scope and mount. I probably have less rifles than people who swap scopes around all the time but I have one less headache to deal with. I've got rifles with integral flat bases and interval canted bases, if there was an industry standard then it would make sense but there's not. You also have rifles like the Sako TRG, Tikka, and older AI's that use a dovetail mount unless you get a picatinny rail that adds height which you have to make up for with the mount choice

My philosophy is to buy the rifle you want, scope you want, and the mount that is best for the combination whatever it may be.