JP vs shillen barrel.

[Little gator]

The last piece of my long range ar15 is the barrel

I was about to order a shillen. Then I read fnbrowning's (user name here) about JP's Super match barrels. So thanks a lot fnbrowning you have me back on the fence.

So I ask you, JP vs shillen?

 

[KNIGHT11B4]

JP all the way...

 

[nuclear_shooter]

JP gets a lot of love on this forum (and others). I myself ordered a 260 rem barrel from them not last week.

 

[Regalkismet]

I've had good luck with both.... Really you can't lose either way... I go JP as a first choice.

 

[Ben Dover]

I have a shilen and while it is a great barrel. I would go with JP if I had it to do over again.

 

[wareagle700]

JP > Shilen

 

[Why1504]

I have a Shilin I bought a couple of years ago on advise from a friend. I am very happy with my purchase and have no regrets.

That said, JP makes great stuff!

 

[MarkCO]

Have you considered a Krieger? If accuracy is your main goal, I have found them to be a bit better than the JPs.

 

[peaceatwar]

AR-15 my top choice is a ready to ship Krieger, if that's not available I will take a White Oak barrel over any other.

 

[Little gator]

Have you considered a Krieger? If accuracy is your main goal, I have found them to be a bit better than the JPs.

yes i have. the ONLY reason im not going with one is my skill level isnt worth the extra $200-$300 if im going to be 100% honest. im only MOAish out to 275 325

my main goal of this gun is to get a real good handle on 400-600(ish) yards. and since .223 is a lot cheaper and less recoil i feel i will better be able to hone my skills. once i feel im accomplished enough Il do a .300 WM/.338 LM bolt gun build. thats when i will drop the extra $$ on a krieger. but thats at least 16-24 months away. although if i want the gun in that time frame i should probably start ordering stuff now

i do think i am going to get a JP.

 

[MarkCO]

Hmm, maybe you should just go with a Nordic competition then. The guy that designed them did a pretty good job. WOA, JP, Nordics (and others) all come from the same place. The Nordic is not as finicky on ammo, is half MOA capable (like the JPs, WOAs, etc.), is softer shooting (you don't need adjustable gas like on all the others) and it runs $269.

 

[RobertB]

Bartlien, and I don't ever believe the saying"I'm a moa out to xxx yards" MOA at 5 yards is MOA out to 5miles. Get the best, always get the best. NO MATTER WHAT!!!!

 

[Little gator]

Bartlien, and I don't ever believe the saying"I'm a moa out to xxx yards" MOA at 5 yards is MOA out to 5miles. Get the best, always get the best. NO MATTER WHAT!!!!

hows this, at 300 yards i have done a 3" spread(normally closer to 4"/4.5" wont lie. i have irons so yeah). unless im retarded a MOA is 1.04 something. so 1.05 X 3= 3.15. i just ass-u-me saying MOA at a given range would be an accurate enough description. but props to me for looking like an ass face

 

[nuclear_shooter]

hows this, at 300 yards i have done a 3" spread(normally closer to 4"/4.5" wont lie i have irons so yeah). unless im retarded a MOA is 1.04 something. so 1.05 X 3= 3.15. i just ass-u-me saying MOA at a given range would be an accurate enough description. but props to me for looking like an ass face

Sounds pretty good for iron sights!

 

[Little gator]

Sounds pretty good for iron sights!

Thanks! the better groups have been with a buddy's scoped rife though.

 

[CK_32]

JP seems to have some pretty decent barrels out there.

Shillen is more of an older name probably why it doesn't get much credit but are awesome barrels.


OP just look at it this way. Your asking about KeyMod vs Quad rail. Asked this 5 maybe 10 years ago quad or nothing was the tone. Now it's the new kid on the block and your a tactical junkie if you have anything but the key mod system.


FWIW.

 

[Bradu]

I put a Shilen on my brothers ar last year and it shoots great. With that said, I would go with a JP if it was my rifle.

 

[lte82]

JP uses Wilson blanks, and Shilen uses, well, Shilen. Wilson is well respected, as even high end custom builders like WOA use them, but Shilen is in my opinion a better barrel.

My experience: I have both Shilen and Wilson barreled rifles, and my Shilen is a less picky with ammo and generally shoots better groups. With that said, I shot a 190 6x on the 600 yard line in 12+ mph wind with my wilson barreled upper last month, taking the highest score of the day. My point is, I don't think you can go wrong with either.

 

[Little gator]

Well after looking into jp Iv found they don' normally make crowned barrels....which was something I was looking to have. I emailed em to see if I could get one that was.

I figure y'all are right, can't go wrong either way. I was hoping someone out there would have something bad to say about one but that was a slim chance lol

 

[CK_32]

Well you gatta think about it it's just a barrel. Basically a fancy tube.

Either it's made right or it isn't. It's not a moving or functioning part which has things that can go out of whack or come loose.

 

[lte82]

I'd grab a 20" Krieger dcm contour (target crown) for $450 over a JP every day of the week. JPs website says $479? $479 for a button rifled wilson barrel is absurd.

 

[Little gator]

I'd grab a 20" Krieger dcm contour (target crown) for $450 over a JP every day of the week. JPs website says $479? $479 for a button rifled wilson barrel is absurd.

Well I looked at that...only reason I was going to hit up shilen was it came with a matched bolt and was a drop in....the krieger needs to be smithed(more work for me) and no bolt...I figure shilen is close enough to Kreiger quality to have the matched bolt make up for the "lesser" brand. IMHO of course.

Edit: Also I can get that ratchet rifling from shilen I like the concept and wanted to give that a shot.

 

[nuclear_shooter]

I'd grab a 20" Krieger dcm contour (target crown) for $450 over a JP every day of the week. JPs website says $479? $479 for a button rifled wilson barrel is absurd.

Maybe I'm wrong, but since it's lapped shouldn't it not really matter? I guess opinions vary. Also keep in mind that price is for a barrel and a bolt (for whatever that's worth).

 

[Oryx]

There's way more to accuracy than just the brand of the barrel. Type of chamber, quality of chambering, twist rate, installation, bullet selection, environmental factors etc, etc - all just part of the equation. For a shooter that hasn't established proficiency at mid range distances, either barrel (both are quality) will be fine - you are more likely to suffer the affects of other accuracy related inputs before being able to distinguish the difference between the two brands.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Love my Kriegers, but might give Pac Nor a look as well. I had a JP on an AR setup, (Full upper) and had 2 bud's that were printing some darn good groups with the Pac Nors (Noveske). But I am a huge fan of the WYLDE chamber, and 8 twist.

 

[lte82]

Well I looked at that...only reason I was going to hit up shilen was it came with a matched bolt and was a drop in....the krieger needs to be smithed(more work for me) and no bolt...I figure shilen is close enough to Kreiger quality to have the matched bolt make up for the "lesser" brand. IMHO of course.

Edit: Also I can get that ratchet rifling from shilen I like the concept and wanted to give that a shot.

The krieger will drop in and headspace properly with a mil spec bolt...

 

[MarkCO]

Matched bolts are largely a marketing thing. Head space in an AR is set by the installation of the barrel extension. There are a scant few barrels sold that are contoured, chambered and threaded. You either buy a blank, or a ready to assemble barrel with an AR. While any good builder will check headspace on a new build, finding one out of spec is like finding a unicorn. When you rebarrel, if you plan on using an old bolt, you should check too, but better to just get a new bolt.

 

[Little gator]

The krieger will drop in and headspace properly with a mil spec bolt...

Oh the crap on midway said "needs gunsmith fitting" so I just took its word for it. Because as you know....you can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.

 

[lte82]

Oh the crap on midway said "needs gunsmith fitting" so I just took its word for it. Because as you know....you can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.

Lawyers made them do it... =)

You can buy a set of go / no-go gauges and check it yourself if you feel you must, but as long as you pick up a new mil spec bolt you should be fine.

 

[Little gator]

Lawyers made them do it... =)

You can buy a set of go / no-go gauges and check it yourself if you feel you must, but as long as you pick up a new mil spec bolt you should be fine.

Him no shit...lawyers annoy me.

And il take your word for it. I'm sure my go/no gage isn't as good as there's lol

I still think ima get the shilen the more I read about that fancy sounding ratchet rifling the more I wanna try it...I think my next upper build il get a Kreiger n compare them by then I hope il be able to tell the diff lol

 

[lte82]

Him no shit...lawyers annoy me.

And il take your word for it. I'm sure my go/no gage isn't as good as there's lol

I still think ima get the shilen the more I read about that fancy sounding ratchet rifling the more I wanna try it...I think my next upper build il get a Kreiger n compare them by then I hope il be able to tell the diff lol

The shilen is a fine barrel. I actually just finished a service rifle build with one. Dpms lower, white oak a2 upper w/ a pinned rear sight, shilen 20" dcm contour 1:8 ss match barrel, geissele hs natl match trigger, jp adjustable gas block, etc. Its a hammer!

 

[branson1369]

I run JP and sell a bunch of their barrel kits and all have been top notch kit