Rifle Scopes LR Optics with Red Dots
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Hard to make a dot line up on the exact location with crosshairs on a FFP scope. They are on different planes.
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How do you explain the USO SR8-C?
I'm assuming because the OP has a USO link in his signature he is talking about using the same technology in other optics
I don't know, I've never looked through one. Maybe it is close enough. Maybe it doesn't matter on an 8x scope. Maybe the dot is in the first plane and the dot changes size. People think you would use a red dot in a match under 50 yards, nothing could be further from the truth. I know competitors who shoot on 15x unless its 100 yards or less and then crank it up to 25x, because then you are shooting smartie size targets and the field of view is not a factor. In a match, I couldn't ever seeing you shooting an IPSC size target where a reddot would be of any use on a LR bolt rifle. Some (myself included) use a secondary reddot to get on the target quickly, but this is a totally different application since this only works using your left eye or lifting your head and using your right eye. YMMV, but my $0.02
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The reticle is FFP and the Dot is SFP. Maybe USO uses VooDoo Black Magic, but they line up in the SR8-C and SR4-C. I'm certainly no expert, but I would think they could use the same process in other scopes if they are doing it in 2 as of now. Maybe that's why the question was asked?
To answer the OP's question, I could see myself using a Red-Dot while hunting much more than a Lit Reticle
I have the SR4C and the SR8C, DD is right the dot is perfectly centered on both. I don't know why you would need another red dot if there was one available in the scope that is why I was asking. Anyone else have any thoughts. At SHOT this year I heard that S&B was questioning how the SR8C dot was lined up so well. Also on the lowest power most FFP scope the reticle is hartd to see one more reason I was wondering about the dot.
What is the benefit of a reddot at 25X or 3x for that matter (on a bolt rifle) unless you were shooting a dark target where normal illumination helps? Most people are holding for wind and not shooting the exact center of the reticle.
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Yes, at lower magnification where as a FFP reticle can be more difficult to pick up quickly, I would welcome a daylight-visible reddot reticle for fast and close shots. While a weapon might be tailored for long-range shooting, there's always the possibility of an unexpected need for a close-range shot placed quickly. Or even situations where a close-range shot is the only possibility. My particular application would be hunting.
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Steiner Nighthunter hunting scopes have a daylight bright reddot.
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Now I'm confused. Clearly you are biased towards Steiner, but why dispute the practicality and/or usability of a Red-Dot in a scope and then tout that Steiner offers it?
Are we talking hunting scopes or competition scopes? Hunting scopes, I can clearly see an advantage: close shot, dark animal, hunting pigs at night, etc. I just don't think any of these situations transfer over to a competition scope. If you are using you LR rig for hunting, then maybe, but I don't think many are using 14-19 lb rifles for hunting, but maybe I'm wrong. In competition we never have close shots on large targets and we rarely shoot the center of the reticle. YMMV
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Hunting/competition, the OP didnt specify. Of course there are many different situations while shooting/hunting. I think what the OP was looking for is, Do you see a use for it? Is it a desirable feature? In what situation?
Sorry to the OP, didn't mean to Hijack your thread. I like the Idea though.
Sure it can be a desirable option. I used my 18 pound .260 for Pronghorn in 2013. Dropped my buck at 680. However, I did sneak a buck and ended up about 40 yards and while I did not shoot, using the center red dot occluded let me see more than just a patch of hair. As for matches, I have not seen a rule where a course designer could not require a few shots on 15 yard paper targets. Seems like a good test of skills to me.
DD, no apology necessary, you are right in line with what I was asking. I would like to hear from more comp guys as well to see what they think. I was told that there are some comps that have initial targets at really close ranges for the high magnification scopes so although I think the hunting application is more obvious if some guys are attaching red dots on the outside of their scopes and rifles for upwards of $5-700 it might be possible to get one internally for less.
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I would buy a 16/24 power scope with a red dot if the dot was small enough.I think on overcast, rainy, days you could get on target faster.
When it comes to semi-auto DMR types, variable high power scopes with a red dot are an extremely desirable setup...look at the Germans with their HK G28 and US Navy Crane division and the Leupold DAGR. I think Afghanistan, where you go from shooting across valleys to inside mud huts, has dictated what is needed and the variable high power scope red dot combo fills the role perfectly. If you can incorporate both into one tube then why not save the weight and bulk of a piggyback system. Also, if it works well for hunting men then it will work for game I imagine.
It would be interesting to see one on a higher power scope. You may be able to shoot both eyes open and shoot the red dot at power, even if it means closing the front flip up. As Funkworks stated above, probably be a multi layered market for it if it works, comp guys, hunters, mil/LE.
In most cases, just break your cheek weld and shoot occluded, works great.
Funny that you say that, I originally had a Vortex 1-6x on my 16" LWRC REPR but wanted to fully utilize the 7.62 cartridge. So I sold the mount and 1-6x and went with another Spuhr with a Leupold MK6 3-18x and an Aimpoint T1 at a 45*. I think it is a pretty good setup and it allows me to shoot from pretty much point blank out to 800+ yards. I will be using this set up to hunt Elk in the Fall so we will see how versatile of a system it is. Not that I am planning on shooting an Elk at 10 yards either...
So the math would be in favor of a scope that could successfully integrate a red dot into the fold. Your looking at 500-600 for a T1 pulse probably another. $500+ for the SPUHR mount complete w/ T1 interface. I've shot a similar setup on my buddy's rifle that and it's very functional, but if I could get the same results in one unit, that'd be my preference. I'm on the fence with going to that setup as we speak and the SPUHR system is what I'll run.
