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Gunsmithing New to rebarreling/truing actions

slayer_21420

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Hey all, I'm going to be picking up my first lathe this spring (probably a G4003G) and am wondering what I should buy first as far as tooling, tool holders, chucks, etc..

I'll be getting a DRO right away as well, any thoughts on the grizzly or others that may be better?

Thanks

Steve
 
Quick change tool post and holders. Aloris or dtm are great but pricey. You can get nice extra tool holders from cdco.

Check out Arthur Warner for some nice hss insert tooling. I like it for nice finish work with stainless.

a few nice indictators. .001 plunger type, nice horizontal .0005 or .0001 dti. Mag bases.

Otherwise making some of your tools and fixtures will be a good place to start.
 
The G4003G is a good machine to start with, I have one and it does nice work when good tools are used.

It comes with a QC Tool Post, buy 2-3 extra tool holders for it to start.

Throw the basic parting HSS parting tool into the recycle bin and spend the money to get something that holds indexable carbide. Blade or bar style is pretty much up to you, I have one that's made by Iscar and uses double-ended carbide inserts.

Carbide insert tooling is expensive compared to cheap HSS cutters but they're worth every penny IMO. When I buy a tool holder I also make sure I buy a 10pack of the cutter to go in it for what I'm doing. It basically doubles your initial cost of the tool but you now don't have to worry about the "awwww F*** me, I just chipped the last corner on the last insert" until you've had more than ample notice you're running low on inserts.

For basic gunsmithing work there's only a couple places that I don't buy [asian] import tooling and that is the laydown threading inserts and insert holders, and carbide boring bars for doing tiny work like muzzle brakes.

I try to use carbide or indexable carbide whenever possible for milling, turning, and threading.

All of this can be done through judicious use of Fleabay, like today I picked up 5 brand new Micro 100 BB-2001250G carbide boring bars for $62.50 shipped. Compared to MSCDirect that's about 70% off.

Also, get a copy of Machinery's Handbook and practice calculating feeds and speeds for steel, stainless, brass, and aluminum. These are things that will help you immensely when getting started on chip making. Plastic rod like Delrin or unreinforced Nylon (the glass filled stuff will kill your tools) are both good for practicing on the machine as you crank the knobs around and cut threads and things like that.

If you're not thinking "ok, now, which way do I throw that lever or turn that dial" you're much less likely to smash something up front where serious damage is caused to expensive tooling, machinery, or parts.

Finally, Youtube is a great resource for learning basic and even some advanced techniques and tricks to making better parts and cutting time.

Good luck with it.

ETA: A good set of calipers, a pair of decent micrometers (0-1 and 1-2) as well as a jeweler's loop, thread setting gauge, protractor are all something that should be considered basic tooling that cannot be ignored.

I use a long reach indicator stem on a test indicator and reach down the bore for doing barrel work, I don't like the marginal repeatability of range rods.
 
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Be sure to get some HSS steel blanks in different sizes. Some of my most useful cutters are ones I ground myself. I even ground my own threading tools when I first started about a decade back. Naturally, you'll need a decent bench grinder to make them.

Good call on the DRO.
 
I have an extra tool post and holders that's a piston style. It's an import that came with the Hardinge lathe that we now have.

I'll likely never use it. If your interested, I'd be willing to let it go to an up/coming gun plumber for a reasonable rate.

Kick it around and give us a call if you like.

C.
 
With a little knowledge before hand eBay is your friend. Mics, inserts, tool holders the list goes on and on. I picked up 40 VNMG inserts, which at this point doesn't mean to you, for $40. Try and find someone locally to just sit and watch them work on a lathe for a day. A picture is worth a thousand words.
 
Craigslist is also a good shopping place.

Keep cash in pocket or safe, check it several times a day. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what you find there cheap, from a guy that needs cash now.

Bought a Kurt vise, a box full of good hand tools, 2 sets of Allen t wrenches, six micrometers, a B&S best-test, forty plus small carbide end mills, mititoyo digital calipers, and more. 500 bucks, and it was not hot. Guy changed jobs, needed cash for bills. If I had left to go to bank, he would have sold to next guy, instead I got it.

You'll spend as much on tools as the equipment. Maybe more.