All the information I can find is 3 years old or older...from my research it seems like the best thing would be able to get wildlife technologies sounds on a FoxPro. Can this be done?? Which do you think is the best. I want to get serious about calling and I want the best electronic caller I can get.
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Looks like James O'Neil (O'Neil Ops) uses the FoxPro quite a bit... if you want an e-caller, why not just use what he has proven lethal hundreds of times over?
I prefer a hand/mouth call.
Preston
I prefer a hand/mouth call.
Preston
Just ordered a prairie blaster 2!
Cant beat a FoxPro we have had killer luck with all of ours, believe we have had fx3 fx5 firestorm and shockwave. all have proved great with no issues and called in a lot of dogs, just make sure when not in use to take out the batteries. We have one that was our fault and left the batteries in while not in use and the batteries corroted and fried one of the micro chips, but fox pro did warranty it and worked fine.
I've used mouth call, but with very limited success.
Got a FoxPro Wildfire II and took it out for the first time Sun evening.
Started with Locator call and had immediate response.
After 3 minutes switched to Coyote Death call and three came flying in at full speed trying to get downwind of me.
This guy was the last in line, and the smaller of the three. 37lb male, hit on the run at 125yds.
I think I'm going to like this unit.
Got a FoxPro Wildfire II and took it out for the first time Sun evening.
Started with Locator call and had immediate response.
After 3 minutes switched to Coyote Death call and three came flying in at full speed trying to get downwind of me.
This guy was the last in line, and the smaller of the three. 37lb male, hit on the run at 125yds.
I think I'm going to like this unit.
Recently picked up a FoxPro Shockwave. I have experience with an older FX3 and the Fury. The T1000 remote is worth it alone. The Fox Bang and Fox Motion are two great features along with all the customization that is available. Once you get over the "Shock" of the price- $$$- It is well worth the investment if you plan to hunt hard. Whatever model you get make sure to spend some time learning the remote and all the options before you head out. Best to do that in the house rather than out in the field when you have two big yotes in range....don't ask me how I know.
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M4, you should have seen the cat and dog when I was getting the remote set up the first time, in the house.
They were NOT happy campers!
They were NOT happy campers!
FOXPRO baby!!!!!
Testing my new Foxpro out tomorrow AM!
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I have a 4 month old lab that just about went bat shit the night I brought home the Shockwave. Now if he just sees the Shockwave he goes nuts!
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I have a 4 month old lab that just about went bat shit the night I brought home the Shockwave. Now if he just sees the Shockwave he goes nuts!
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I have a shockwave and a cs24b both good calls but the tx1000 remote is hard on batteries and really the tx500 remote is hard to beat for ease of operating.
Man, is there no love for the WT? If you need to get some sound out there, the Wildlife Tech is hard to beat. if you are hunting tight areas, FoxPro is a fine piece of kit. If you are covering a large tract of land the WT will be the better caller.....IMHO.
Cheers,
Breeze
Cheers,
Breeze
When it comes to calling I prefer to play small ball, and call into every cut. Rather than try and hit a home run with high volumne and call into it all at once. As to the Marts machine. Very good sound quality if you can keep them running. The FoxPro is simply bullet proof, they just work, but IMO the sound quality is not as good as WT. How much differance that makes often depends upon where you call. Personally I prefer mouth calls, cleaner sound, more control ,but harder to master and some things you just can not duplicate.
Thanks for the info, guys. We are going to participate in a dog hunt next weekend, and are fixing to buy a shockwave. glad to hear some feed back about this call.
that's funny
Man that the mighty atom ??? . real interested is option on the sound reproduction quality. been thinking hard for few months on making the switch .
also my favorite longtime is 300blk/30-221 for coyote shooting .
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also my favorite longtime is 300blk/30-221 for coyote shooting .
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I use a FoxPro Firestorm and I love it. I have killed quite a few coyotes and bobcats with it.
I recently got a mojo double trouble e-call. Also paired it with the external loudspeaker. very nice! We used it to call in 17 dogs over a 2 day wkd hunt in NE two weeks ago. Our shooting wasnt as good as our calling unfortunately. Only killed 3. 
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I recently got a mojo double trouble e-call. Also paired it with the external loudspeaker. very nice! We used it to call in 17 dogs over a 2 day wkd hunt in NE two weeks ago. Our shooting wasnt as good as our calling unfortunately. Only killed 3.
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It's this ^^^^ that cause ranchers to have flyovers.
Basically having the state kill em all with an airplane, because they are educated beyond belief... If there were more people out there like PGS and Sendero, who not only knew how to run a call, BUT run the gun as well... there wouldn't be as many educated dogs... You would be amazed at the people who go pick an e-caller up (not having a CLUE what it's capable of) and cluster F*** an entire location because they don't know what the hell they're doin... It's taken a few ranchers west of me a couple years to realize this (they've been lettin everyone from anywhere, come in and not only contest hunt, but randomly call, and WONDER WHY, they have a coyote problem ... Now there's a whole new breed of animal, that's smarter, lives longer, and kills more... I just had a community meeting with all my surrounding Ranchers and have permission to completely "landlock" their entire ranch to our team, in prep for next year...
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Well, I am glad you know all the details of our hunt!!! The majority of the dogs we called in were only visible for a few seconds at distances of 100-300 yds. The three we killed came in to less than 50yds and got their fn face shot off!!
I would rather shoot at the fkrs when i get the chance vs letting them go without being shot at!!
Good to know you are the local expert on why someone elses hunts dont work out!
I sir have NO intel regarding the details of your hunt... all I said is "It's this ^^^^ that cause ranchers to have flyovers." (Am I wrong?)
What I am an expert on is my location, my layout, my scenario, the BEST and WORST possible areas to make a set, because I've done it, and hunted here my whole life...
Well, good to know . This was on property that we deer hunt. Fkn overrun with dogs! Trying our best to kill a few since noone else hunts them. I came out from NC just to get stuck in a blizzard but we hunted anyway. Horrible conditions, shit happens and u gotta learn somehow.
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Good deal bud... hope you had fun... Honestly, I'm sure you can understand my POV when saying, "some" ranchers don't like newbie's "learning" in areas where they need the coyotes killed.
If "they need the coyotes killed." and that's all there is to it, what's the problem with "flyovers"? Or cyanide bait, or traps, & dogs, or bounties, and everything else thats been tried to eradicate the coyote in the past?
Yes sir, we had a damn good time. Looking fwd to doing it again. More dead the better.
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Never said there was anything wrong with it... BUT if we can do it efficiently without having to spend tax dollars, we've got a win win.
Since Skinney is to much of a gentleman to say it....I will.
If you called in 17 coyotes and only killed three, then you were unprepared for the task at hand.
If they were only visible for a couple seconds at distances of 100-300 yds, then you either set up poorly and got winded, or you were not concealed properly and they saw you. It's that simple. Period.
Saying that you would rather shoot AT THEM then let them go without a shot, just solidifies that your style of hunter, is part of the problem we get to deal with.
A TRUE predator hunter, will let it go, WITHOUT firing a shot, specifically so that that predator doesn't learn to associate the sound of the call, with danger.
You blasting away taught them a lesson that they won't forget at least for another year. By letting it walk...it would have likely came in to a different sound maybe a couple days later.
By comparison...last October, we called in 23 coyotes ON VIDEO, and killed 21, ON VIDEO in about 15 hours of film time.
A basic rule of thumb for predator hunting is this.
If you can't kill it. Don't shoot.
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I would have to say this applies to more than just predators.
Now... what is that box thingy you posted a pic of, and how about some footage with that new blackout. Don't say, no.
Interesting, I didn't know that was a common thing (flyovers). I've seen a few videos on youtube, but never seen it first hand.
I do agree with not taking pot-shots. I remember when I was little, shooting at one about 200yd with my .22lr rifle and my dad being utterly pissed. "You're going to teach those fuckers not to come to the call."
I do agree with not taking pot-shots. I remember when I was little, shooting at one about 200yd with my .22lr rifle and my dad being utterly pissed. "You're going to teach those fuckers not to come to the call."
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I heard Ranchers/cattle associations hire fly shoots on coyotes . Don't know how common/routinely done in the western states .
have talked to couple guys few years ago that said were hired and flying a Cub and shooter w/shotgun . Cub got a real slow airspeed stall so I think that would be ideal also low hourly fuel consumption . You can cover and hunt huge acreage populated by coyote in a matter of several hours that way .
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X10, they pretty much become unkillable after an encounter or two with shots fired. You're screwed unless you can call at night or start baiting with a snare line which totally screws up your area for deer.
It's more common than you think, we've got a feller who runs sheep about 30 miles from me... We stopped in to ask him permission to call, his response was, there's no coyotes here... a week later they kill over 20 in a matter of hours with the cub... So I called him up and asked details, he's been led to believe the coyote hunters are what did it (educated the animal), and I 100% agree...
Yup... I would think deer hunters would realize more of this... You educate even 10 coyotes in your prime deer hunting location, what does that do to your fawn crop? Now top that off with the Hemorrhagic outbreak and you might as well not even apply for next years tag...
I'm not spoutin jargon to piss fellas off, it's the cold hard facts man... and IF you've never been a Rancher, landowner, or guide, who cares for and raises animals you simply can't understand...
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Exactly! This is why we don't let just anyone predator hunt on our ranches. We can't afford to have people educating coyotes that we need killed. I'm not against the recreational caller by any means, just not in areas where coyote hunting needs to be done professionally.
That said I've taken ten times the amount of coyotes out of a super cub than over a caller. It's a much more effectvie method, but definitely requires more investment.
Can't help but feel a sense of hypocrisy in your sentiments here.
After all, you are in the business of selling gear marketed directly toward predator hunters and the "sport" of predator hunting?
So, in effect, aren't you part of the problem when you post videos and market products aimed toward the very same callers who are likely "fucking up" stands and educating coyotes instead of killing them?
I'm not disagreeing with your stance, and not at all questioning anyones' pursuit to make a buck. Just finding your post hard to swallow, coming from someone seeking to making money off the "sport" of predator hunting, then complaining about the end result of having more callers in the field...
I see. Are you around the Black Hills, Skinney? I'm moving to that area this summer. How receptive are ranchers and land owners to hunters? I've been forced to take a 5 year break from hunting in the Marines (just didn't work out to have guns and didn't have time), and I can't wait to get back in the swing of things. My family that lives there now is all about deer and antelope, not so much into predator hunting.
Well, I agree on the don't shoot if u can't kill it on non-predator animals. As for coyotes, we didn't just shoot the place up emptying mags! We missed 6 total and shot at 9. If we thought it was a doable kill we took the shot. Several of those were trotting away maybe they winded us or spotted us. I'm not a predator hunter, im a deer/elk archery hunter. At this place, nobody is hunting much less killing them. IMO, what we did was better than doing nothing . 35% avg on killing when shots taken. We did let the other 8 go without a shot. I'd do it again this wkd if I waanst so far away. I despise coyotes. I understand where y'all are coming from tho.
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Were a couple hours from the hills.......and we're blessed with our families owning decent sized ranches and close neighbors giving us the predator hunting rights so we really haven't had to move out of our area and ask for permission to predator hunt.
Dude, I sell products because it helps hunters become more successful and efficient @ their game, and it "may" be something they want to buy... I Also tell you the cold hard truth about the facts of life... If you don't like it, that's fine... some people don't like the facts.
Here's where your statement is flawed, and that's fine man, I know opinions vary, some people like our work, others don't, it comes with the territory and I understand that... let me try and elaborate "IF" you will... First off, I am blessed to live where I do, 100 mile round trips, with the Ranger crew 3 times a week, May-Nov. hauling wind and rain to salt boxes, checkin well's, fence lines, and cattle, all while constantly monitoring, turkey, elk, deer, antelope, den sites, coyote numbers, locations, different ridges, hills, soap weeds, creek bottoms, determining what set would work for what wind, what set would work better with the sun at our back, what set provides us with the hide we need, you get the idea...
EVERY set we make as a team is directly focused on TWO things, a kill, or multiple kills, we make a point to set up more strategically because of the equipment we run, and that makes our success much higher, period.
Making money off the sport is a "byproduct" of what we do, most of the equipment we run, is built for us to our specs by phenomenal business's... in all honesty bro, in the beginning the custom equipment we run was paid out of pocket by us, with NO intent of sales, when we started gaining a bit of traction with our videos, people liked some of our equipment, and so it goes, plain and simple...
I would suggest leaving hypocrisy @ home though
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Skinney, let be be 100% clear.
I TOTALLY AGREE with your synopsis of 'newby' hunters educating coyotes and making it harder to them to be killed. The growth of the "sport" isn't paying any dividends to the success of the recreational caller as a group, at all. However, those who market items directly toward the growing number of recreational callers can sho'nuff ca$h in on the popularity of the "sport"...
But alas, this "sport" of coyote hunting is not a 'dun deal' proposition. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, kills every coyote that hears a call. Given that fact, even the most seasoned and coyote hunters and ADC men alike, will fail at calling in targeted coyote(s) on occasion. Thereby educating those coyote(s) and making it harder to call those same coyote(s) in at a later time. So, take a step back and realize that even the best coyote hunters in the country fuck up some coyotes and create their own monsters, so to speak...
Again, I COMPLETELY AGREE with you about how the growing popularity of predator calling has made the pursuit harder for all involved to realize success on stand. Many of my friends I predator hunt with across the country seek to insulate their coveted calling country from outside interference. For the simple fact that other callers can, and do 'fuck up' or ruin an area by calling it. That is not where the hypocrisy lies. I don't hold it against you in the least for wanting to shore up sole permission on the places you hunt. That is the first, and most important step in being a successful caller....securing good ground to hunt!
Here's where I find the hypocrisy lies in you above statements.
You are selling products marketed to the "sport" of coyote calling. In marketing your company and products, you are 'growing' the sport by default, whether you want to admit that fact, or not. Marketing, by its sheer definition, is MEANT to draw attention to a product, is it not???
That said, when you make the post above, complaining about how anybody can go out and buy a caller and "fuck up" on stand and educate coyotes, the hypocrisy lies in the that fact that you are failing to realize that your won company is, in some small part, directly responsible for drawing attention to the "sport" in the first place...
So, in closing, I'll again reiterate, I COMPLETELY AGREE with your sentiments and share your frustration with the popularity of predator hunting. The only difference being, that I'm not marketing and selling products to that very same group of hunters with whom I'm frustrated with. That is why I feel your post struck me as being hypocritical.
Good on ya for developing products that people want, got no problems with good ol' American ingenuity! Just sounds weird hearing someone in your position ostracizing their own target market.
Don't know if I can 'splain it any more clearly that that.
I TOTALLY AGREE with your synopsis of 'newby' hunters educating coyotes and making it harder to them to be killed. The growth of the "sport" isn't paying any dividends to the success of the recreational caller as a group, at all. However, those who market items directly toward the growing number of recreational callers can sho'nuff ca$h in on the popularity of the "sport"...
But alas, this "sport" of coyote hunting is not a 'dun deal' proposition. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, kills every coyote that hears a call. Given that fact, even the most seasoned and coyote hunters and ADC men alike, will fail at calling in targeted coyote(s) on occasion. Thereby educating those coyote(s) and making it harder to call those same coyote(s) in at a later time. So, take a step back and realize that even the best coyote hunters in the country fuck up some coyotes and create their own monsters, so to speak...
Again, I COMPLETELY AGREE with you about how the growing popularity of predator calling has made the pursuit harder for all involved to realize success on stand. Many of my friends I predator hunt with across the country seek to insulate their coveted calling country from outside interference. For the simple fact that other callers can, and do 'fuck up' or ruin an area by calling it. That is not where the hypocrisy lies. I don't hold it against you in the least for wanting to shore up sole permission on the places you hunt. That is the first, and most important step in being a successful caller....securing good ground to hunt!
Here's where I find the hypocrisy lies in you above statements.
You are selling products marketed to the "sport" of coyote calling. In marketing your company and products, you are 'growing' the sport by default, whether you want to admit that fact, or not. Marketing, by its sheer definition, is MEANT to draw attention to a product, is it not???
That said, when you make the post above, complaining about how anybody can go out and buy a caller and "fuck up" on stand and educate coyotes, the hypocrisy lies in the that fact that you are failing to realize that your won company is, in some small part, directly responsible for drawing attention to the "sport" in the first place...
So, in closing, I'll again reiterate, I COMPLETELY AGREE with your sentiments and share your frustration with the popularity of predator hunting. The only difference being, that I'm not marketing and selling products to that very same group of hunters with whom I'm frustrated with. That is why I feel your post struck me as being hypocritical.
Good on ya for developing products that people want, got no problems with good ol' American ingenuity! Just sounds weird hearing someone in your position ostracizing their own target market.
Don't know if I can 'splain it any more clearly that that.
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I , for one, still can't believe there are still this many hunters out there wanting to keep hunting to them selves. I have seen it over and over again for years. Hunters want to lock up as much ground as they can so nobody but them can hunt. What ends up is they can't hunt all of it and it ends up getting out of control. I see it with turkey hunting in Sc. I just think we should be working together to recruit newbies or our sports will die. Just IMO.
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I comply bud, in all honesty I do... you've also got to understand this, like I said above, sales, marketing, products, designs, etc. is all a BYPRODUCT of what we have done our entire lives, videos are but a climax of our work, and some people want what we run, it amps em up and gets their blood pumpin, I'm not going to stop doin what I've been doin for 30yrs just because someone wants the gear that they saw in our video. Someone see's us use an e-caller in one of our vids, does NOT mean I'm condoning the same thing, period, regardless if our video shows it or not (WE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM UNDER CONTRACT WITH ANY E-CALLER COMPANY) ... "IF" I did have a contract with an e-caller company and was promoting the heck out of it (on film), sayin use this, bla, bla, bla, it's the best, then go make a statement about how bad it sucked ass, then hypocrisy coulda jumped in the back seat... I've said it once and I'll explain it again, I Ranch, my cousins, uncles, neighbors, ALL ranch... they want coyotes DEAD not educated, and it may be more of a value to your understanding if you calved 600 head of Angus, raised $1400 calves, or $5500 bulls, paid the land taxes on 10K, 20K, or 30K acres... I don't like getting all fired up, but sometimes, it needs to be done... Sure I don't kill every coyote that hears the call, come on man... the damn cub, or chopper gunner don't kill every coyote that hears the prop spinnin... that's a moot point brother... We kill the majority for multiple reasons, all we do is bring you into our world and show you how we do it... BTW, I hate spell check as well
Kenny, I would like to explain to you where I'm coming from, and why it may be hard for some of you you to comprehend our logic.
Starting with the quote below, I'll elaborate from there.
It is NOT wanting to keep hunting to "ourselves", what it is about is respect, not only to the animal, but to the person or persons who are caretakers of the land and the animal (if you will)... Try looking at it through my eyes, Planting thousands of trees for windbreaks and shelter belts, putting in thousands of feet of underground water lines for stalk tanks, putting in windmills and tanks, constructing miles upon miles of fence lines, planting thousands of acres of crops, being sure to leave native grass or thick cover for wildlife habitat, putting up thousands of 1600lb round bales, in prep to feed all winter long... all day every day, if it's not one of these things, it's definitely another, and I by no means have covered the basis... NOW, wildlife just as much OR MORE than cattle use what we have provided, we don't bitch, we don't moan, EVERYONE wants to kill a 180" Whitetail, 220" Mule, or 400" elk, and you know as well as I, that without proper management along with proper resources this can not be accomplished... You see Lee and Tiffany take a booner on a yearly basis, with strict emphasis on sponsorships and the kill, what you may catch a minor glimpse of is the WORK, and time it takes to grow and eventually take the trophy... Sure they literally advertise their grunt tube made by Primos, but I guaran damn tee ya, you ain't gonna be using it anywhere near their ranch, unless you got cash or a tie, is that hypocritical of them?
I as a landowner put up with, trespassers, cut fences, gates thrown open, finding poached big game on an annual basis. We've had sections upon sections of state walk in, which the state paid us $1 per acre to let fellers like you come in and hunt all you want... Until one day, I get hunters whom we let "publicly" hunt, complain I was driving on it, can you believe it? I was driving checking tanks, fences, gates, cattle, WILDLIFE, etc. when the cherries start poppin, and a local warden holds me a landowner, for 30 min on our own land, while I'm on the verge of dishin out a choke slam, needless to say after having a state official tell me I can NOT drive on our own land (not even to access our other private ground) while during hunting season, that shit ended real soon, and I probably will NOT put up any more walk in... I know it may suck, and most respect, land, wildlife, and others works, but in some cases it just don't pan out... I've heard it from every angle, the State thinks they own the wildlife, the Tribe thinks they own it, the local Sportsman think they are entitled to it, excuse me??? please review what was said above, does the state feed, water, shelter the animals on OUR land? I don't call the state and bitch about the deer in our circles, or stackyards, IF I DID I WOULD BE A HYPOCRITE for not letting people hunt, better yet, I'd pry let someone who needed meat come in, and carry out.
It may be hard for some to understand, but our neighbors here, are our TEAM, our BROTHERS, our HAND UP if we need it, and I love doing what I do, we take pride in helping our "brothers" with problems, and when they want something dead that is a problem to them, or a threat to their way of life, your damn straight I don't, and "they" don't want people trying who don't KNOW how, or why their even doing it.
I hear more "sportsman" complain about not enough land to hunt, because of landowners, or RICH people buyin it all up, or groups of hunters subleasing it and locking it all to themselves... my suggestion, dump your 401K and invest in something more valuable than gold, get a group of like minded buddies, sublease ground, I know a lot of guys who would take $3 an acre over $1 the state is offering for public...
You have Got to look at it from our POV in order to understand, and I don't usually rant and rant about this, people don't like to see it, and quite frankly I don't like to do it...
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