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Flu Shot???

Do you normally get a flu shot?

  • Yes- I believe in science

  • Yes- getting sick for a week sucks

  • Yes- if I get sick, the flu is less severe

  • No- too much heavy metal- I get enough shooting

  • No- I don’t get sick

  • No- I don’t think they work

  • No- choices 1,2&3 are BS


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Nope. Rarely get the flu as it is, maybe every 5-10yrs. The shot only helps protect you from the strains they anticipate for the season, there's only about a hundred strains so ask yourself if it's really doing much.

Young kids and the elderly with weak and compromised immune systems are different. I believe fighting off a virus every five years makes for a more efficient and strong/healthy immune system.

Then there's the conspiracy theory angle...

Before the male nurses and people that are in medical school chime in about science, remember science used to say the Earth was flat. As much as we think we know today, in 50 years we'll look back and say 'damn we didn't know shit.'
 
Don't get the flu shot my whole life, don't get the flu, get the flu shot once, get the flu. No flu shots for me. Besides I don't like having that shit pumped into my body.

There is a reason that pharmaceutical companies cannot be sued for vaccine damage and we have a government program that pays off it.
 
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I don't really pay much attention to them. Some years I get one and some I don't. Doesn't matter because either way I always get sick during the cold season.
 
Pharmer here, I've only gotten it when it's free. I only get the flu when my stress levels are high. I guess stress lowers your immune system.
 
The reason to get a flu shot is not to protect yourself. The average healthy adult has nothing to fear from the flu. Most people who get the flu don't even know they have it, they just think they have a cold for a couple days and then recover.

The reason to get the flu shot is to protect immunocompromised individuals who you encounter in your daily travels. The elderly, children, people undergoing chemo, anyone who has ever had an organ transplant, etc. can be very easily killed by the flu. You get the flu shot to protect them.
 
Gotten the flu shot every year since Freshman year of college.

Gotten flu twice those years, one year when the vaccine was practically ineffective with the prevalent strain and one year my symptoms were super mild and lasted 48 hours.

Flu shot doesn’t give you the flu.

Get it or not, up to you...I’m a believer.
 
I get mine complemanditory from my employer.
 
The Flu keeps getting worse every year....I get one every year now that I'm officially old a 64 and have gotten one every year since 60. Haven't had the flu since. I started getting them because the flu killed my 65 YO next door neighbor 4 years ago. He got a secondary infection due to being knocked down by the flu (pneumonia) and was dead in 5 days.

I get the shot.

VooDoo
 
The Flu keeps getting worse every year....I get one every year now that I'm officially old a 64 and have gotten one every year since 60. Haven't had the flu since. I started getting them because the flu killed my 65 YO next door neighbor 4 years ago. He got a secondary infection due to being knocked down by the flu (pneumonia) and was dead in 5 days.

I get the shot.

VooDoo

Im 2 months shy of 70 and never took one until last year. Up til then I got the flu on and off. As I understand there are two shots that you take a year apart which together cover most types of flu. Ill take it again this year.
 
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I’m one of those who has never had a flu shot, but have also never had the flu......and I will be 40 next month. To be honest, other than a sinus infection a half dozen times, I’ve always been really healthy, thank the good Lord.

My son has had the flu once or twice, but I don’t think my daughter ever has. If my wife has had it before it was before we were married.

Both my kids get flu shots every year ever since my son had it the first time........it was terrible. He was like 5 or maybe 6 and he had a fever for 9 days. It was a nightmare.......especially tough when it is your child. Ever since then, the kiddos have gotten the shots (or the mist when they did that). I think my kids have grown up a little more now and have learned “the rules” a lot better and they rarely get sick anymore.
 
last time I had a flu shot was 25 years ago. Only had the flu once in my life when I was 10 or 11. Never get sick other than a sinus or chest cold. my wife and kids get it mid October every year. Though year before last they all got the flu a month after the shot.
 
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No. Havent had the flu in over 25 years. Never had a flu shot. I rarely get sick as it is. Sure, ill get a stuffed up nose or some shit. But that goes with the god awful air where I live. But sick as in, laying in bed and cant move? Rarely.

My grandpa, before he passed, told me he once got a flu shot and it damn near killed him. He was bed ridden for 3 weeks. He never got another one. And never got the flu again.

The flu shot is GREAT at giving you, and spreading the flu.
 
Anytime I've ever gotten the flu shot I've been sick for a week or more. I havent had it in the past 10 years and I've been great. Despite my wife working with kids and being sick every other month I MAY have 1 lost work day a year...and thats usualy only because a taco tuesday went sideways.

I dont believe all vaccines are useless but I am also a believer in you have to build up your immune system and be exposed to an extent.
 
Anytime I've ever gotten the flu shot I've been sick for a week or more. I havent had it in the past 10 years and I've been great. Despite my wife working with kids and being sick every other month I MAY have 1 lost work day a year...and thats usualy only because a taco tuesday went sideways.

I dont believe all vaccines are useless but I am also a believer in you have to build up your immune system and be exposed to an extent.

Same.

Last flu shot gave me the flu, so I stopped getting them.

THat was 10 years ago and I haven't had the flu since.
 
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Wash your face and hands. Mostly your hands. Stay away from enclosed places with other people. Get outside and get fresh air.

The flu "has gotten worse" is a falsehood. Many years ago the "Green" activist pushed the energy saving and efficiency standards. The high efficient windows, doors and building wrapping now are causing indoor air quality to problematic levels.

If you work in an office or confined space with other people you need to find out if the building has an air exchanger. It brings in fresh air and expels the stale. It's not a cure all but it will help.

Where does the flu start? Mostly in the schools. Kids are confined and have poor hygiene when it comes to hand washing. They also have more physical contact with doors, desktops, water fountain and many other things that don't get sanitized.
They pass it on to their parents and other siblings.

I work mostly outside and if I go to a house and people are sick I will leave the door open while I work and I wash my hands and wipe off tools.
I have not had the flu since I left the Mexican Calvary. Mandatory shot and I got the flu every time.
 
You cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. You definitely can get an immune response that might feel similar.

It is true that the flu vaccine is less effective than many other vaccines. I would still get it even if I were not required to, because it generally gives some protection.

The reason why there is immunity for vaccine manufacturers and a separate fund to pay for complications is that without this, it would be economically impossible to have vaccines. Even the safest possible vaccine, with no side effects, is still being given to millions of people. Some of those millions of people will inevitably have some kind of problem after getting the vaccine, if only by coincidence. If they could sue the manufacturers, the cost of defending against these lawsuits would quickly put them out of business since there is almost no profit margin on vaccines. Because of that, and the fact that vaccines have done far more for human health than all other medical treatment combined, we have decided as a society to fix this problem by not allowing suits against vaccine manufacturers.

(I'm an emergency and critical care physician.)
 
You cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. You definitely can get an immune response that might feel similar.

It is true that the flu vaccine is less effective than many other vaccines. I would still get it even if I were not required to, because it generally gives some protection.

The reason why there is immunity for vaccine manufacturers and a separate fund to pay for complications is that without this, it would be economically impossible to have vaccines. Even the safest possible vaccine, with no side effects, is still being given to millions of people. Some of those millions of people will inevitably have some kind of problem after getting the vaccine, if only by coincidence. If they could sue the manufacturers, the cost of defending against these lawsuits would quickly put them out of business since there is almost no profit margin on vaccines. Because of that, and the fact that vaccines have done far more for human health than all other medical treatment combined, we have decided as a society to fix this problem by not allowing suits against vaccine manufacturers.

(I'm an emergency and critical care physician.)
Did they change the type of vaccine? Did they use a live virus many years ago?
If you were given a living virus could you then get the flu?
 
Haven't got the Flu shot in 15+ years. When I did, made me 3x as sick. Now when I get the flu, I let it run it's course and all is good. Mac:)
 
I had a flu shot just yesterday. The last time I had one was 10 years ago. Between that time I haven't had the flu. I don't really get sick. A healthy diet of spicy food and alcohol kills anything in my body. LoL
 
Never had one and only had the flu once in life. My doc told me not to get them- there are a few honest ones still out there apparently. If you are worried about the flu- you will do a lot better with a good diet, enough sleep, hand washing, etc., than what any flu shot is going to do for you (without trashing your immune system to get said shot). If you do get one- for Gods sakes make sure you get one out of an individual vial and not one for multiple shots. The multi shot vial has the really nasty preservatives in it.

 
Did they change the type of vaccine? Did they use a live virus many years ago?
If you were given a living virus could you then get the flu?
Remember that when you "get the flu" that all of those crummy feelings and symptoms are not the direct action of the flu virus, but are caused by your body's immune response that is fighting the viral infection. When someone says "I got the flu shot and it gave me the flu" what they are really saying is that "I got the flu shot and had an immune response that made me feel like I had contracted the live virus." Well, yeah, we give vaccines in order to create an immune response that will prepare the body to fight the real virus before it becomes a problem and you actually get sick.
 
Did they change the type of vaccine? Did they use a live virus many years ago?
If you were given a living virus could you then get the flu?
The FluMist was an attenuated live virus vaccine, but it hasn’t been used since 2016 and could only cause infection in the extremely immunosuppressed.
 
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I don't usually get the Flu shot, but when my younger daughter started treatments that left her immune system compromised I started to get them (that was about 7 years ago) and I got them for 5 years in a row at that point.

and every single time I got one, I felt bad for 2-3 days, like bad enough to have to take a day off work. I know the shot does not give you the flu and I know I didn't have the flu, but I felt bad, really tired and worn out to where I didn't want to get out of bed.

I started working from home full time, don't go out into public much, and wash hands or hand sanitize often when I do. I have not gotten a shot in 2 years (this will be the 3rd) and I have been fine.

My answer is to just avoid people and crowds, I do that as a way of life anyway,

If sick people would just stay the fuck home and not go out and infect others, that would be great :)
 
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I get one every year and two years ago finally got the shingles shot as both my Mom and Dad got shingles in their later years and I saw first hand how painful it is. Flu shot has never bothered me much. I remember one year feeling a little peaked for a couple days, might have been cause I was already fighting a cold.
 
After two bouts with different strains of immune system cancer (Non-Hodgkins and Hodgkins Lymphoma), I can clearly be considered immune system suppressed. I get my med care from the VA, and they make a big deal about staying up to date on all my immunizations. My care is provided at no charge due to 100% Service Related Disability.

My concern is that many of my friends work in the education system, and their work environment is what we call The Petri Dish. When illness starts in our little village, it goes clear through it.

Many more than the average number of our neighbors are elderly. Folks who refuse immunization and get the covered illness end up spreading it among the rest of the uncovered population, and we're already losing too many of our friends to such things.

Immunization is a public health issue. Those who refuse to participate can be legitimately considered irresponsible toward the community as a whole.

In such a context, refusing to obtain simple and effective immunization becomes an act of irresponsibility; and refusees may bear some responsibility for the deaths of those who contract it downstream as a result of the refusee's own selfish behavior.

Your choice; but if you're not thinking about this in relation to your neighbors' health and welfare, maybe you should.

Greg
 
Yeah, I missed a day of work the day after my flu shot. No, it did not give me the flu *but* the immune system response caused a 101 temperature and body aches/head ache for 48 hours. I'm good as new now and immunized to some degree - I can still get the flu as the virus mutates (sorry - it *is* getting worse) thru the season but a day of chills and achy joints beats the last round of flu I had 5 years or so ago hands down.

I was down and out for a whole week...serious sick and high temps. The following year my neighbor, who never had the shot and swore he had never been sick a day in is life died of it. Or rather of the secondary pneumonia that he got when the flu knocked him down.

I felt I was playing with my life by not getting the shot. I have a Niece that is a pathologist and researcher and has been on a team researching various viruses including H1N1 and it is getting worse every year. Lives longer on surfaces and can be transmitted longer by others infected and puts more strain on the body than ever before.

I'll take the shot rather than be sick for a week or potentially die. It's free and simple.

VooDoo
 
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You cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. You definitely can get an immune response that might feel similar.

Semantics IMO.

If I was in bed for 3 days with "flu like" symptoms after getting the flu shot then it's not an effective mechanism to "protect" me from jack shit.
 
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You cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. You definitely can get an immune response that might feel similar.

It is true that the flu vaccine is less effective than many other vaccines. I would still get it even if I were not required to, because it generally gives some protection.

The reason why there is immunity for vaccine manufacturers and a separate fund to pay for complications is that without this, it would be economically impossible to have vaccines. Even the safest possible vaccine, with no side effects, is still being given to millions of people. Some of those millions of people will inevitably have some kind of problem after getting the vaccine, if only by coincidence. If they could sue the manufacturers, the cost of defending against these lawsuits would quickly put them out of business since there is almost no profit margin on vaccines. Because of that, and the fact that vaccines have done far more for human health than all other medical treatment combined, we have decided as a society to fix this problem by not allowing suits against vaccine manufacturers.

(I'm an emergency and critical care physician.)


Interesting. Did you make this vaccince? Do you know everything that is in it? Or do you just operate the needle? Is all these firsthand accounts of being sick as fuck for days and weeks after getting the flu shot are just, what, false? You remind me of a nurse I know. She knows it ALL in the medical field. Everything. And I couldnt convince her that intermittent fasting cures many body aliments. She said fasting would kill 99% of anybody who would try it. Not weaken, just flat out kill them. A repeating talking head to anythting the medical field throws at her. I intermittent fasted for 30 days. Only ate 1 big meal a day and it cured my gut related issues id been having for 7 years! That healthcare was FREE!

She knew it all, too.
 
Who says that what they are giving you has anything to do with the flu? Something to think about. There are those that think these shots are somehow making humans sterile or slowly killing off the population a wee bit at a time for population control. Queue the x files music lmao.

Ok for real, say you were going to a real public place like Disney land this Christmas for a week or something, would you get the flu shot then?
 
Immunization is a public health issue. Those who refuse to participate can be legitimately considered irresponsible toward the community as a whole.

In such a context, refusing to obtain simple and effective immunization becomes an act of irresponsibility; and refusees may bear some responsibility for the deaths of those who contract it downstream as a result of the refusee's own selfish behavior.

Sorry but I'm going to have to strongly disagree and say that's a bunch of Anti freedom government propaganda.
But I guess it's a good example of why people these have such blind idiotic faith in what they are told to believe & can't be bothered to think for themselves.

It's not much different from those parroting the line that "gun control" is a public health issue and even if you are responsible you should be willing to give up all your guns and let only the government do it because well you might bear some responsibility if you voted for freedom and some criminal one day killed someone.

So somebody should be forced to have to worry about life altering or life threatening side effects which ARE real and documented because some other people think that well who cares if there are problems for others, it's going to protect me and everybody owes me protection & I want everyone forced to do what I want at gunpoint (or similar) because well somebody told me it would protect me.

Are YOU willing to PERSONALLY have to deal with life long consequences from someone or their child forced to get vaccinations against their will when it goes wrong? Not some Government fund paying off or your insurance company paying off, but NO, YOU personally having to spend a lifetime taking care of them and dealing with the issues for the rest of your life and supporting them yourself... I'm guessing not, you will probably be on the, well tough luck they were one of the unlucky ones, hopefully they can get a bit of money from the government after years of fighting for it.

Are YOU willing to personally pay for time off for folks that you want forced to get vaccinations where they get to feeling pretty bad from it and have to take time off work or their lives to recover?

I'd actually listen to such BS a bit more if there was actually open and honest research and discussion about what is actually in the vaccines, what you need and don't need and open discussion of all the various side effects and such & an actual choice in what to get when and there was actual consequences for those making the vaccines when they did risky things or made stuff that caused issues. The Flu vaccine especially, since at it's best is a 50% chance of protecting you at any given year.

You DON'T have freedom if you say the government can force you or your children to get injected with whatever they demand, consequences and problems be damned & then go on a religious crusade to silence all dissent and all questioning or studies that don't support the "settled Science" BS.

It is a well known FACT that the current vaccination ingredients and schedules are more risky and aggressively timed then optimal and there are very significant questions about the contents & production. But all that is silenced by idiots who worship whatever BS they are told by the government.

So what about all those old folks that get the flu vaccine each year but still die of the flu or other similar illnesses?
If your immune system is so weak that you need everyone else to bend over backwards and risk themselves because of you, just stay home and don't hang out with people, that tends to work well.

How about we stop letting all the third world hordes with diseases that are not common here flood uncontrolled across the borders bringing sickness to the schools which then spread it to everyone else...
 
Flu shot...yes.

And if you do get the flu, if you can get on Tamiflu immediately...it is a wonder drug.

If you do not get your children vaccinated, or if you are one of these weirdo "this is all a government plot" types....just go hide out in a hole in the ground somewhere and don't infect the rest of us. And take your diseased children with you. And try not to pollute the gene pool.
 
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I use the Army Jerry theory except with Doctors, and avoid them whenever possible. Seems to work great for me. 55 years old, not on a single med. and healthy as can be as far as I know.
 
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Flu shot...yes.

And if you do get the flu, if you can get on Tamiflu immediately...it is a wonder drug.

If you do not get your children vaccinated, or if you are one of these weirdo "this is all a government plot" types....just go hide out in a hole in the ground somewhere and don't infect the rest of us. And take your diseased children with you. And try not to pollute the gene pool.

I will admit, a few years ago I got the flu and was given Tamiflu and I agree it is a wonder drug. I was still down for like a week but the effects were much milder than they would have been. I was able to binge watch all of Longmire!
 
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Flu shot...yes.

And if you do get the flu, if you can get on Tamiflu immediately...it is a wonder drug.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it’s pretty clear now that Tamiflu is almost completely worthless. It shortens illness by about 12 hours at most. It doesn’t save lives. And there are considerable side effects. I wouldn’t take it if I had the flu.
 
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Seems like a common thread here is many of the "I never get the flu" people tend to not work with the public at large and/or don't have young school-age kids...
 
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it’s pretty clear now that Tamiflu is almost completely worthless. It shortens illness by about 12 hours at most. It doesn’t save lives. And there are considerable side effects. I wouldn’t take it if I had the flu.

Want to elaborate on that some? I’ve taken it and it helped significantly! What’s the side effects?
 
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Interesting. Did you make this vaccince? Do you know everything that is in it? Or do you just operate the needle? Is all these firsthand accounts of being sick as fuck for days and weeks after getting the flu shot are just, what, false? You remind me of a nurse I know. She knows it ALL in the medical field. Everything. And I couldnt convince her that intermittent fasting cures many body aliments. She said fasting would kill 99% of anybody who would try it. Not weaken, just flat out kill them. A repeating talking head to anythting the medical field throws at her. I intermittent fasted for 30 days. Only ate 1 big meal a day and it cured my gut related issues id been having for 7 years! That healthcare was FREE!

She knew it all, too.
No, I don’t claim to know everything, or anything remotely close. At the end of the day the body is impossibly complex and there is a ton we don’t know. But unless there is a vast conspiracy, beyond anything the world has ever seen, it’s pretty clear that vaccines in general are enormously beneficial. Is the flu vaccine the hill to die on? No. It’s way less effective than the childhood vaccines, pneumovax, HPV etc. But the data is still very unambiguous that it’s better to take it than not, for most people.

And yes, I’m sure some people have more of an immune response to it than others. But that's not most.
 
Want to elaborate on that some? I’ve taken it and it helped significantly! What’s the side effects?
It’s always hard to know what would have happened if you hadn’t taken it, though.

Most common side effects are GI, usually nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. Probably flies under the radar since those are common with flu as well. Seizures have been reported less commonly.
 
Seems like a common thread here is many of the "I never get the flu" people tend to not work with the public at large and/or don't have young school-age kids...

So what you see is free people making an informed decision on the risks and benefits of a course of action.
Those who live a lifestyle that does not expose them to one risk much, are often choosing not to take another risk to protect them from something they have low risk of.

That's freedom and how it should work.