The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.
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In all honesty you probably could at least double the infected number, if not more than double...
Its not a hoax but IMO the results are misleading (perhaps purposely) because the underlying datasets are incomplete.
Now, if we say 0.013 of KNOWN cases, I would agree. But this is not how the numbers are being represented.
Let me guess. Public education?
What was that number yesterday? The day before? How about a week ago?
I would answer those for you except I have a sneaky suspicion that your hat rack could use some exercise.
What was that number yesterday? The day before? How about a week ago?
I would answer those for you except I have a sneaky suspicion that your hat rack could use some exercise.
So, this is how you did it, right?
260/20,000 = .013
And you don't think that's 1.3%?
Let me help, in case you're either a Marine or a Texan
No offense intended, to my Marine buddies down there in Texas.
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So, this is how you did it, right?
260/20,000 = .013
And you don't think that's 1.3%?
Let me help, in case your either a Marine or a Texan
No offense intended, to my Marine buddies out there.
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You have to show your work, bro.
( 260/20,000 ) * 100
Deaths require some time infections not that much so initialy you might have lots of infections and few deaths or like in italy where it has been going on long enough that bodies are droping left and right . And then there is the scale of testing , infection numbers are totaly unreliable as the testing is on rather small scale.
Death rates are combination of infection scale and time , but still i would regard bodybags to be the better indicator of infection scale and spread rate than offical infected tally , as only few countries like South Korea executed real wholesale covid testing
Note for example how Germany had very low death rates to a point even tough it had already 15.000 infected then at one point bodies started droping
Death rates are combination of infection scale and time , but still i would regard bodybags to be the better indicator of infection scale and spread rate than offical infected tally , as only few countries like South Korea executed real wholesale covid testing
Note for example how Germany had very low death rates to a point even tough it had already 15.000 infected then at one point bodies started droping
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UPDATE 3/20/2020:
It seems that Governor Newsom has quarantined my "birth home" California!
Our local Okaloosa Beaches will be closed to spring breakers effective tomorrow. Great for traffic, bad for business and our local economy...
My continual, daily research has not changed my opinion on COVID-19 that the facts DO NOT SUPPORT the panic.
Here is the political/juicy part:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/19/california-orders-state-wide-lockdown-all-residents-must-stay-at-home/#more-186880
Here is an excellent reply to this article. Underlined/italicized by me:
Brother I’m with you 100%. I lost my job because of this hysteria. Nonetheless, President Trump is doing the right thing. He can’t push back against the pandemic narrative or else he comes across as uncaring toward the elderly and the fake news will magnify every death and call him Hitler, which absolutely could cost him substantial votes. The commies wanted a “pandemic”, so he rolled with it. Here’s your fucking pandemic. Shut everything down. Now they can’t say a damn thing, especially the open borders lunatics. They just have to STFU now. Plus Trump gets to demonstrate in real time how an actual, competent and decisive leader handles a “crisis”. He will come out of this thing a WINNER in a few months when the fatality numbers are way under 1,000 and his people go on every talk show and compare his numbers to previous outbreaks during Obama’s administration. They gave him this on a platter unwittingly, of course, but unfortunately there is going to be some short term pain.
Compare the H1N1/Swine Flu Pandemic of 2009. Different president, in case you forgot...
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm
WHO declared H1N1 a pandemic on 6/11/2009. Do you remember a run on toilet paper and bread?
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm
Summary of 2009 as of 2011 in the U.S.:
Cases: 60.8 million
Hospitalizations: 274,304
Deaths: 12,469
Now, for the science...
Here is a summary of Influenza vs. COVID-19:
https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
Please note that according to the CDC, this flu season, the deaths have been estimated from 20,000-52,000. COVID-19: 150 (as of 3/19/2020)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.cdc.gov%252Fcoronavirus%252F2019-ncov%252Fcases-in-us.html
There are seven (7) identified Coronaviruses infecting humans. Four, are common, and we have all been exposed at some point in our lives. According to my research, these common coronaviruses account for 10-15% of "viral infections" in the U.S. As a physician, we test/screen for acute, treatable illness (Influenza, Group A Beta-Hemolytic Streptococcus), and as a routine, do NOT screen for the viral subtypes (at the recommendation of our local infectious disease specialist, we just ran a 20-virus PCR panel on a Magnolia patient, and it was VERY expensive). Due to our frequent exposure to these common coronaviruses, I have to presume that we, as a population, have SOME innate immunity to COVID-19 (I'm a physician, not a virologist). This may explain why the symptoms are so variable in patients seen thus far. As testing becomes more common/available, I expect the number of COVID-19 patients to increase rapidly, increasing the "denominator" and thus reducing the "death rate" from this infection.
According to the CDC: "People around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
Here is a NIH article discussing the human coronaviruses and a review of virus/host interactions.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5456285/
Selected quotes:
Human coronaviruses (HCoVs) represent a major group of coronaviruses (CoVs) associated with multiple respiratory diseases of varying severity, including common cold, pneumonia and bronchiolitis.
four HCoVs (HCoV-229E, HCoV-NL63, HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-HKU1) are globally circulated in the human population and contribute to approximately one-third of common cold infections in humans [4]. In severe cases, these four HCoVs can cause life-threatening pneumonia and bronchiolitis especially in elderly, children and immunocompromised patients.
In summary, we should continue to support our leaders, our communities, and families. We will get through this. I believe that HE is with us, and protecting us.
Have a great weekend!
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Not trying to sound like a smart ass and would like to understand the people arguing the political rationale of the shutdown. Considering this; there are third world shit hole countries that are barely staying a float as is, yet even they have issued mandatory closure of the majority of their country.
And to add what people are saying about over loading the health care system...You KNOW every swinging dick who got this would be going to the hospital, what if your appendix burst? You broke your arm? Or some other foreseen instance that requires medical attention, cause shit just happens out of no where. Now your stuck in a place full of contagious people with likely contagious over worked staff waiting to get your shit fixed. There definitely would be compounding effects to “letting the virus run its course”. I definitely think we take the ability to be treated whenever we want for granted and can’t really fathom the idea of not being attended to, and maybe that’s why teams of people of who’s job this is made that call.
I am pretty damn well connected to folks who see a lot of non public stuff.
My advice would be to get your stuff together over the next few days. Economically the word is that this is going to be an ass raping of epic proportions with some potential nasty side effects.
My advice would be to get your stuff together over the next few days. Economically the word is that this is going to be an ass raping of epic proportions with some potential nasty side effects.
Care to provide any details, or just want to stick with this vague, less-than-helpful, anecdote?
Shit is shutting down on Sunday. Seen it on the ‘hide.
And Trump closed travel from China on Jan 31. Leftists wwre busy with the Impeachment at the time and thought closing off travel was xenophobic, racist, etc at the time ?
Science and medicine are nonpartisan. I can assure you this virus doesn’t give a shit who you voted for. Yes the Democrats and Republicans reflexively attack each other, it doesn’t matter. Closing the border to China was indeed the right thing to do, but that’s one of the only things this administration has done right in handling this pandemic. More important now is the conduct of individuals. Continued denial and business as usual is going to cost many, many lives.
This was updated March 8th and can be found here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK554776/
@phlegethon just out of interest, have you read anything on the actual mechanism that chloroquine uses to counter on SARs-CoV-2? And why is azithro being touted as the other main drug for use? Does it have any anti-viral capacity? Or is it to prevent subsequent bacterial infection in the lower lung, septic shock etc?
@phlegethon just out of interest, have you read anything on the actual mechanism that chloroquine uses to counter on SARs-CoV-2? And why is azithro being touted as the other main drug for use? Does it have any anti-viral capacity? Or is it to prevent subsequent bacterial infection in the lower lung, septic shock etc?
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To be honest that’s one of the things I haven’t kept up to date about. I know it’s supposed to be a zinc ionophore but haven’t gotten into the details. Why? Because the reality is that virtually every antiviral medication in history has failed. We do have effective drugs for the herpesvirus family, and quite a number for HIV after decades of extraordinary effort. But otherwise it’s really vaccines or nothing. So I don’t care about mechanisms of antivirals, or in vitro data. Show me a randomized controlled trial.
The same would apply to azithromycin—since you asked, it is said that it somehow potentiates the effect of chloroquine, if there is one. Unlikely to be acting as an antibiotic. They aren’t seeing a lot of bacterial infections in these people.
Re: "one of the only things this administration has done right in handling this pandemic". Broad, sweeping statements like that can very much give the impression of pressing a political narrative. It would be more convincing if the complete set of actions taken by the administration were listed and graded with explanation independently. Otherwise, better to omit such claims. We should expect more from people arguing from a position of professional or academic authority.
Looks like that bunch had violated their version of the social distancing rules. In NYC, the cops just tell you to scatter and go home. Over there they are getting their asses beaten...
I’m a little busy these days to do homework for people. It would have been helpful if he hadn’t repeatedly told the public that this was a nonissue. It would have been great if they had listened to the classified briefings saying this was the real thing in Jan/Feb, and if he hadn’t personally announced that a completely unproven medication was “like a cure.” But the failings have certainly not been Trump’s alone, pretty much every level all the way down to individual hospitals have failed us on this.
Ah that's interesting, and good point. The only thing I could find of relevance to this after a short search was the use of azithro in septic shock.
I have been handed this resource as well, it is apparently being updated daily if new information presents itself
The Covid 19 Resource Document Maintained by Mike MacKinnon DNP FNP.docx
Shared with Dropbox
www.dropbox.com 
Buddy was traveling out of Miami today, and send me this pic: it’s spooky seeing it this way
No problem, you're busy, got it. I agree there have been failings, same were arguably major fuckups. And as you say, there is plenty of blame to go around.
Here's a list I pulled from the 3/19 Mark Levin podcast. At the time, it struck me as voluminous, and it's what I was thinking of when I replied to your post, earlier.
It's not my list. I tried to remove duplicates. Some of the actions may be profound; some may be boilerplate. Many are the work of the bureaucracy. Some may be untrue! And probably each will contain their own dose of fail in the details. But many appear on the surface to be good:
- President took action to giver HHS the authority to waive certain rules and regulations to provide flexibility to healthcare providers in presponse to the coronavirus
- President signed legislation removing restrictions preventing manufacturers from selling industrial masks, which can readily protect healthcare workera, directly to hospitals
- FDA has empowered certain qualified labs to use validated coronaviris tests, while their emergency use authorization requests were under review
- FDA took action to empower States to authorize tests developed and used within their borders
- CMS removed restrictions on telehelp for Medicare patients, dramatically expanding access across the country
- HHS lifted HIPPA penalties to enable healthcare providers to expand telehelp for their patients
- Department of Education has given broad approval to colleges and universities to allow them to more easily move their classes online
- USDA waived certain requirements to allow children to continue receiving meals during school closures
- SBA relaxed criteria for diaster assistance loans greatly expanding small business access to economic assistance
- Presindent announced US and Canada mutually agreed to close the Northern border to nonessential travel
- President announced he's invoking the Defense Production Act
- Department of Housing and Urban Development is halting foreclosures and evictions for families with FHA insured mortgages
- Department of Labor announced up to $100 million in dislocated worker grants in response to the virus national health emergency
- White House worked with the private sector to launch a central website where families students and educators can access online education technologies
- President launched a partnership with the Ad Council, media networks, and digital platforms, to communicate public service announcements about the virus
- The Navy will be deploying two medical ships to help support impacted areas
- President signed legislation securing $8.3 Billion for coronavirus response
- President declared a National Emergency inviting States, Territoris and Tribes to access over $42 Million in existing funds
- President created the White House Coronavirus Task Force to coordinate the response, with the Vice President in charge of it
- The Vice President named Dr. Deborah Birx to serve as the White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator
- Presiident enacted travel restrictions on travel from China
- President put in travel restrictions for Europe, then later the United Kingdom and Ireland, and Iran.
- Americans returning from travel restricted countries were routed to specific airports where they can be screened and isolated.
- The administration raised Travel Warnings to their highest level for other hotspot locations, like Japan and South Korea.
- President has expanded airport screening to identify travellers showing symptoms, and instituted mandatory quarantine
- FDA issued emergency approval for new commercial coronavirus tests to significantly expand testing
- President secured legislation that will ensure Americans are able to be tested for free
- The administration is working with State and local partners and the private sector to open up drive-through testing sites
- The administration is working with the private partners to develope a website that Americans can utilize to determine wither they need a test and if so where they can get it
- HHS is providing funding to help accelerate development of rapid diagnostic tests for the corona virus
- FDA cut red tape to expand testing availability
- The administration is working to provide States with flexibility to improve coronavirus testing laboratories
- The Assistant Secretary for Health has been appointed to coordinate coronavirus testing efforts
- FDA is expowering States to authorize tests developed and used by labs in their States
- SBA has announced disaster loans which provide impacted businesses with up to $2 Million
- President has met with bank executives, insurers, pharmaceutical executives and other industry leaders, including hotels, airlines, construction etc.
- President directed the Energy Department to purchase largu quantities of crude oil for the Strategic Reserve, given the price of oil has plummeted
- The administration negotiated legilation which will provide tax credits for eligible business that give paid leave to Americans affected by the virus
- The administration took action to provide more flexibility in unempolyment insirance programs for workers impacted by the coronoa virus
- President directed Department of Education to waive interest on student loans held by the federal government
- Treasury Department is deferring tax payments for certain impacted individuals and businesses
- President has called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut
- USDA announced new collaboration with the private sector to deliver nearly 1 million meals per week to students in rural schools closed due to the coronavirus
- President announced guidelines for Americans to follow and do their part to stem the spread of the virus
- The Task Force is holding daily press conferences and meetings to provide the American people with the latest information
- The Task Force has recommended mitigation strategies to heavily impacted communities
- CMS announced guidance to protect vulnerable Americans and limit unnecessary visits to nursing homes
- In January the administration declared the coronavirus to be a Public Health Emergency
- CMS is giving flexibility to Medicare Advantage and Part D plans, to waive cost sharing for coronavirus tests and treatment
- CMS created new billing codes for coronavirus tests, to promote better tracking of the public health response
- The administration announced that health plans with Health Savings Accounts will be able to cover coronavirus testing and treatment without co-payments
- CMS dramatically expanded tele-help for Medicare beneficiaries
- The Veterans Administration establiushed 19 emergency operations centers across the country, and put in place visitation restrictions to limit patients' exposure
- CMA and the VA are working to limit non-essential elective medical procedures to free up health care resources
- HHS announced it will be purchasing 500 Million N-95 respirators for the Strategic National Stockpile
- The Department of Defense announced it will be providing 5 Million respirator masks, and 2,000 specialized ventillators to assist
- The administration is working to accelerate the development of theraputics and a vaccine to combat the disease
- The administration is working with drug manufacturers to monitor any potential drug supply chain issues
- The administration is expanding research and consulting with experts to better understand the transmission of the coronavirus
- NIH has announced the beginning of a clinical trial for a coronavirus vaccine candidate
- and, the President donated his 4th quarter salary to the DHS to help deal with the virus.
and it looks like every major retailer has changed toilet paper sales from online to in store only
look bitches, if you want us to social distance, don't force us to in store only purchases for toilet paper
You can still limit one package per shipping address online if you need to
The world is stupid and I am stuck in it...
look bitches, if you want us to social distance, don't force us to in store only purchases for toilet paper
You can still limit one package per shipping address online if you need to
The world is stupid and I am stuck in it...
Get back to work.
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Shocking photos have emerged online revealing exactly what happens to sewage pipes when people attempt to flush items other than toilet paper.
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Wipes, paper, towels, tissues wreaking havoc on sewage systems | Photo
Shocking photos have emerged online revealing exactly what happens to sewage pipes when people attempt to flush items other than toilet paper.
Several states, including New York, are going to start treating serious cases of COVID-19 with combination hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin starting this week...
When positive results begin to emerge en masse from this cocktail, which has already demonstrated clear effectiveness in Europe, China, and the Middle East, I truly hope that some of the leftist assclowns who had been harassing President Trump's Twitter posts nonstop get beaten into permanent brain damage by unknown assailants.
When positive results begin to emerge en masse from this cocktail, which has already demonstrated clear effectiveness in Europe, China, and the Middle East, I truly hope that some of the leftist assclowns who had been harassing President Trump's Twitter posts nonstop get beaten into permanent brain damage by unknown assailants.
Does that cocktail cure drippy dick? Is drippy dick a symptom of the Chinese virus?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
Have a link for this blue sky? Want to follow.
It hasn’t demonstrated anything, the data that’s been released so far can’t show effectiveness. Nearly all antivirals have failed, historically. We will not know about this one until a random sized controlled trial is done. This is underway now but I wouldn’t hold my breath for either this or remdesivir to be any sort of miracle.
This was released earlier today...
Cuomo: NY to conduct drug trials for coronavirus treatment
New York will conduct trials for drugs that could be used to treat patients with the novel coronavirus who are seriously ill.
Agreed. Promising data that it works against SARS-COV-2 in vitro, but needs more work:
Agreed. Promising data that it works against SARS-COV-2 in vitro, but needs more work:
The clinical trials starting in NYS, and elsewhere, will hopefully give all of us a much needed clear picture in just two weeks of implementing. The most important thing right now is trying to get those death rates down. One of the more concerning things coming from this novel pathogen is that some patients would seem to be recovering fine, but then suddenly keel over dead from massive respiratory or cardiac failure. That confirms those videos that were coming out of China during the first weeks of their epidemic showing seemingly healthy people on the streets dropping dead on the spot. Some aggressive studies are already being done into this and the preliminary findings are that the cytokine immune response in some individuals pushed so much fluid into the lungs that the victims suffered the same type of rapid deterioration and death that severe drowning victims and those who had inhaled large amounts of corrosive gases have exhibited. COVID-19 seems to have a random and erratic pattern of targeting it's victims. Unlike a common cold, bubonic plague, or mononucleosis, whose symptomatic progress is well established in patients of all ages and backgrounds, COVID-19 behaves differently in each patient. It can make one person ill with just a minor fever and cough which goes away in about 4 days, then jump to the next person and induce catastrophic respiratory failure, then jump to another host and linger there with absolutely no symptoms at all. If we were to map the pattern of COVID-19 morbidity on a physical and three dimensional layout, the damage will look a lot like one caused by a tornado. One house can be completely spared, while it's neighbor would be completely destroyed. You will find entire groves of trees uprooted, but one single shack in the middle of them turns up remarkably without as much as a scratch on it. At the current moment, the documented effects of the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin combo shows that it can alter the pH level within the intracellular medium and disrupt the replication cycle of COVID-19. Without new viral particles being generated by the millions, the patient's own immune system will have time to get rid of the remaining virions, thus greatly shortening the duration of the infection. The latest research all shows clearly that the longer this infection continues in a person, the more likely that rapid deterioration into critical illness and death will result. So if the drug combination can shorten the illness, it will save countless lives. Let's all keep our fingers crossed. The next 2 weeks will be critical for results.
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While it hasn't been through a randomized trial in the manner the medical community is accustomed to, there are anecdotal reports of success in lessening symptoms you can find on the interwebz.
So, cure isn't the right word, at all. But it is a well known drug. How many people globally are using it on-label, right now? 1 million? 100 million? Seems that we should know a lot about potential side effects.
Trial away, and make sure those in charge communicate the actuality of the situation.
So, cure isn't the right word, at all. But it is a well known drug. How many people globally are using it on-label, right now? 1 million? 100 million? Seems that we should know a lot about potential side effects.
Trial away, and make sure those in charge communicate the actuality of the situation.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I would want to explore this part of your quote further. It may be a bit premature to speak about how a single patient dies from this virus, without knowing their extensive medical H&P. Were they a smoker? Did they have a prior illness just before this virus took hold? DId they have any other systemic diseases simultaneously? I think we do ourselves a possible disservice highlighting how one person reacted to the disease, especially not knowing their history, and then using that as a potential bellwether for a population level approach.
There is early but growing data from China and Italy suggesting certain age demographics comorbidities do put you more at risk (graph below), so I am not sure I would view this as a tornado touching down randomly and taking out houses at random, as there is some degree of probability of those who contract this potentially lethal disease and their outcomes. In the end, I offer we should be zooming out and viewing it at the population level as opposed to the small, individual case studies.
There is early but growing data from China and Italy suggesting certain age demographics comorbidities do put you more at risk (graph below), so I am not sure I would view this as a tornado touching down randomly and taking out houses at random, as there is some degree of probability of those who contract this potentially lethal disease and their outcomes. In the end, I offer we should be zooming out and viewing it at the population level as opposed to the small, individual case studies.
Massachusetts just had its first
What flavor diabetes is that? Type I or Type II?
Guessing from the surrounding complications Type II as they are all somewhat related.....
What flavor diabetes is that? Type I or Type II?
Guessing from the surrounding complications Type II as they are all somewhat related.....
The data set I have access to unfortunately doesn't go into that level of detail. I could make an argument for either, but if I was forced to guess tonight I'd probably say Type 1. And probably especially those type 1 patients who blood sugar is not as controlled compared to their peers.
Another one from Hillarys circle about to get suicided this time suposedly covid19
Harvey Weinstein has reportedly tested positive for COVID-19 as the number of cases in Rikers Island, where he was until recently being held, explodes.
Harvey Weinstein has reportedly tested positive for COVID-19 as the number of cases in Rikers Island, where he was until recently being held, explodes.
Jeebuz, yer a troublemaker.............
Psstt.....
I hear the Corona virus only attacks those who use MOA scopes.
How convenient
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