If you don't support gun control, you don't support law enforcement

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Miami PD chief calls for stricter gun laws after shooting at rap concert

Miami-Dade Police Director Alfredo “Freddy” Ramirez denounced “the scourge of gun violence” in the US on Sunday and called for stronger gun laws following a deadly shooting …

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So the Miami-Dade police chief is calling for tighter federal gun control, and federal mandatory minimums for gun crimes. The title of this thread is basically what he stated about gun control: you're either with us, or against us.

I agree with the mandatory minimums idea, but I highly doubt the current federal administration will go for it. Somehow it unfairly targets minorities.

 

[Jscb1b]

Enforce the laws already on the books. Punish the criminals.

 

[quietmike]

Your average street cop opposes gun control.
Your chiefs and other high ranking cops who do support gun control are playing kiss ass, for their political careers.

 

[HiDesertELR]

Gun control is hitting your target

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Enforce the laws already on the books. Punish the criminals.

HANG the criminals. In the town square. Make it spectator sport again... so-as-to ACTUALLY have a deterrent to crime. Charge admission for tickets to the grandstands.

 

[W54/XM-388]

We are fast coming up on the fork in the road where "just obey the law" will cease to be part of doing what is good, right and decent.
Many who think themselves "good" may have a hard time when they are forced to pick only one of those two options. Others already know it's coming and what path they will take.

 

[TxWelder35]

HANG the criminals. In the town square. Make it spectator sport again... so-as-to ACTUALLY have a deterrent to crime. Charge admission for tickets to the grandstands.

We are fast coming up on the fork in the road where "just obey the law" will cease to be part of doing what is good, right and decent.
Many who think themselves "good" may have a hard time when they are forced to pick only one of those two options. Others already know it's coming and what path they will take.

See these 2 comments are in direct opposition to each other.

what’s your definition of gun crime? Having a gun in your car without asking your lords for a permission slip? Having a unregistered SBR or suppressor?

we should be vehemently opposed to prosecution of such crimes much less hang them and sell tickets.

very few gun laws on the books actually that need to be enforced imo.

The “gun” crimes that need to be prosecuted are the ones with what you do with said gun, not laws regulating the gun itself. Assault, robbery, etc.

 

[TurboTrout]

Your average street cop opposes gun control.
Your chiefs and other high ranking cops who do support gun control are playing kiss ass, for their political careers.

Nuremberg defense eh?

If you are a cop in a anti constitutional state, three options

1 Cuff and stuff other officers who violate the constitution

2 Quit

3 You are a enemy of the constitution

Shit is actually that damn simple.

People with a 3% or 2A sticker right next to a blue line sticker

That said, Miami is the blue tumor on FL

 

[918v]

Why does a local police chief scream for federal intervention? Is he virtue signaling for a federal job?

 

[JbBooks]

This wasn’t fucking “gun” violence, it was just plain ass murder and attempted murder, the gun was just the tool, when was the last time they referred to rape as dick violence, there’s no such thing as a gun crime, or gun violence, it’s a goddamn inanimate object!

 

[Jscb1b]

Blam the person not the gun car rock hammer what ever the fuck inanimate objects.

 

[TurboTrout]

This wasn’t fucking “gun” violence, it was just plain ass murder and attempted murder, the gun was just the tool, when was the last time they referred to rape as dick violence, there’s no such thing as a gun crime, or gun violence, it’s a goddamn inanimate object!

yup!


Violence is violence

It’s funny, that anti constitutional politician wants me to disarm, while he keeps his guns, as his troops were obviously completely unable to stop said act of violence on the citizens he was sworn to protect (but had no duty to protect per SCOTUS)... he wants those same citizens who he couldn’t protect to give him a monopoly... on their protection, by eliminating their ability to effectively defend themselves??

#DefundMiamiPolice

 

[Thorny]

HANG the criminals. In the town square. Make it spectator sport again... so-as-to ACTUALLY have a deterrent to crime. Charge admission for tickets to the grandstands.

Funny, friends and a talked about this very thing. We came up with pay per view. But a public event that you could attend.....
SUPERBOWL HALFTIME....Naw fuc the NFL.

 

[TurboTrout]

Funny, friends and a talked about this very thing. We came up with pay per view. But a public event that you could attend.....
SUPERBOWL HALFTIME....Naw fuc the NFL.

So the government and entertainment industry will choose who to hang?

Probably have Harris pull the lever too


Don’t think this will turn out the way you think it will lol

 

[wade2big]

Well this is an easy choice for me to make.

 

[...]

"You’re either with law enforcement or you stand with the fringe and believe that everybody should have a firearm, regardless of their character, capabilities and mental capacity.”


Guess I'm against law enforcement...see how easy that was...


I don't recall the 2A reading "shall not be infringed, except....."


If this is the position LE wants to take....don't be surprised when no one has your back when the marxists start to make headways in defunding you....

Because ide much rather have no police and all my guns than none of my guns and plenty of police.

 

[wade2big]

This is actually a smart ploy by this chief. He knows that conservatives will support the police even when the police are arresting them at church and forcing them to not go to work with threats of violence. Why wouldn’t they be stupid enough to fall for this as well.

You can’t support the police of a corrupt government. It’s their job to protect it and see that it succeeds with it’s agendas. They are one in the same. How is this so hard to understand. It’s insane to think otherwise.

 

[quietmike]

Nuremberg defense eh?

If you are a cop in a anti constitutional state, three options

1 Cuff and stuff other officers who violate the constitution

2 Quit

3 You are a enemy of the constitution

Shit is actually that damn simple.

People with a 3% or 2A sticker right next to a blue line sticker

That said, Miami is the blue tumor on FL

I quit 15 years ago.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Sean the Nailer]

"You’re either with law enforcement or you stand with the fringe and believe that everybody should have a firearm, regardless of their character, capabilities and mental capacity.”


Guess I'm against law enforcement...see how easy that was...


I don't recall the 2A reading "shall not be infringed, except....."


If this is the position LE wants to take....don't be surprised when no one has your back when the marxists start to make headways in defunding you....

Because ide much rather have no police and all my guns than none of my guns and plenty of police.

Worth repeating. Time and time again, until 'they' get it. And "they" being EVERYONE!!!!!

 

[TexPatriot]

Fuck Art Avocado. When that California racist Aztlan/Marxist turd was APD's chief he would go to illegal alien's homes, eat dinner with them and tell them not to worry, they were safe in Austin. He even encouraged them to come here. He also tried to get 'special driver's licenses' for illegals. His excuse was so they would quit driving away from the drunken hit and runs they committed and stay on scene.

They could of course also be used as voter IDs.

He got on the local news stations here in Austin and said "If you know of anyone who owns a gun, has a gun collection or arsenal of guns, tell us about it! We want to know!"

During the Antifa riots this last summer, he tried to incite the illegal aliens to join the mayhem. Frothing at the mouth, spit flying, he worked himself into a frenzy trying to work crowds of Hispanics up into a race riot by telling them "We were here first! We built this country! We're not going anywhere!" It wasn't even an illegal alien situation but he tried to make it one.

As Tucker Carlson said "How would you like to be arrested by this racist clown."

 

[deersniper]

Your average street cop opposes gun control.
Your chiefs and other high ranking cops who do support gun control are playing kiss ass, for their political careers.

Bullshit

Show me more than 1 percent of cops who won’t enforce CCW let alone NFA shenanigans

All unconstitutional

 

[deersniper]

We are fast coming up on the fork in the road where "just obey the law" will cease to be part of doing what is good, right and decent.
Many who think themselves "good" may have a hard time when they are forced to pick only one of those two options. Others already know it's coming and what path they will take.

Lol that point was passed a long long long time ago

 

[lonegunman762x51]

When you see a leftist/marxist trash like this cop demanding we support more laws that persecute innocent people you see a shining example of the idiot logic that powers the left.

Currently, there are thousands of gun laws that this worthless cop fails to enforce. There are laws against assault, murder, brandishing firearms, possessing firearms by felons, obtaining firearms by felons, driving around in cars with loaded firearms, conspiracy for planning to use firearms in crimes and so forth and so on..........................................this idiot does not arrest people for any of them. But he is demanding MORE LAWS.

If arrested, these idiots will not charge nor work to convict anyone of these crimes, unless they are properly motivated by the fact the crime effected a leftist donor or a rival gang that the police are paid to protect.


On true fact of history. Hitler simply changed the laws, he didn't replace the cops. The day after Hitler's government made it a death penalty offense to be Jewish or so say something publicly against Hitler, the cops went out and arrested people with glee. They might have demanded your support last week, but this week they can arrest you, so screw you.

 

[wade2big]

When you see a leftist/marxist trash like this cop demanding we support more laws that persecute innocent people you see a shining example of the idiot logic that powers the left.

Currently, there are thousands of gun laws that this worthless cop fails to enforce. There are laws against assault, murder, brandishing firearms, possessing firearms by felons, obtaining firearms by felons, driving around in cars with loaded firearms, conspiracy for planning to use firearms in crimes and so forth and so on..........................................this idiot does not arrest people for any of them. But he is demanding MORE LAWS.

If arrested, these idiots will not charge nor work to convict anyone of these crimes, unless they are properly motivated by the fact the crime effected a leftist donor or a rival gang that the police are paid to protect.


On true fact of history. Hitler simply changed the laws, he didn't replace the cops. The day after Hitler's government made it a death penalty offense to be Jewish or so say something publicly against Hitler, the cops went out and arrested people with glee. They might have demanded your support last week, but this week they can arrest you, so screw you.

Its always been propaganda that the law and law enforcement are on your side. It’s blatantly false. It’s nothing more than brainwashing of the masses. The police have always been and will always be on the side of the state. Once the state is overbearing, it’s a problem.

 

[AllenOne1]

I don't trust the government to do the right thing at this point, so if you are an employee of the government, well just sayin. When they bring the cattle cars which side is going to be forced to load up?

 

[theLBC]

law enforcement should not have sides, but simply enforce the laws meant to protect the people and catch the criminals that have harmed others and broken these laws.
gun regulations imposed on law abiding citizens have nothing to do with protecting anything but government overreach.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

With the pravda, social media, po Po and a vast portion of the population in lock step it's looking like a replay of the 30's.
Prove me wrong

 

[wade2big]

law enforcement should not have sides, but simply enforce the laws meant to protect the people and catch the criminals that have harmed others and broken these laws.
gun regulations have nothing to do with protecting anything but government overreach.

Society could get by with about 10 laws. Beyond that it's to control you and not help you.

 

[memtb]

How about we follow the 2nd Amendment as it was intended, and have severe and long lasting consequences for violent offenders of the criminal laws! memtb

 

[memtb]

Society could get by with about 10 laws. Beyond that it's to control you and not help you.

I believe it was referred to as “The Ten Commandments”! memtb

 

[MadDuner]

How will the communists in government be able to rid themselves of the people that they want to destroy if they don’t first disarm the population?

I understand their dilemma, but do not sympathize with them or their solution. As a matter of fact, I’m going to have to firmly disagree with their goal of my destruction.

 

[Mwalex]

Hmmm,.....fork in the road - support communist cops or keep my guns? Okay, my guns it is.

 

[Choid]

I can't speak to other cops, but the sheriff and deputies in our county are great. Very pro gun. They don't hassle people for little shit. Literally never seen one sitting in a speed trap. They are very clear with the locals about what they can and can't expect from police given the remote area, and what we need to see as our responsibility. I can't imagine supporting, or not supporting, an entire profession, but we are lucky to have ours.

 

[TurboTrout]

I believe it was referred to as “The Ten Commandments”! memtb

I’m far from religious, but

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

When the time comes to feed a family things can become clouded for some people. Those that choose a certain path will be replaced by someone else that will do whatever they are told.

I can't speak to other cops, but the sheriff and deputies in our county are great. Very pro gun. They don't hassle people for little shit. Literally never seen one sitting in a speed trap. They are very clear with the locals about what they can and can't expect from police given the remote area, and what we need to see as our responsibility. I can't imagine supporting, or not supporting, an entire profession, but we are lucky to have ours.

 

[TurboTrout]

I can't speak to other cops, but the sheriff and deputies in our county are great. Very pro gun. They don't hassle people for little shit. Literally never seen one sitting in a speed trap. They are very clear with the locals about what they can and can't expect from police given the remote area, and what we need to see as our responsibility. I can't imagine supporting, or not supporting, an entire profession, but we are lucky to have ours.

If the ATF raided a home, could they be called upon to defend the home and stop the raiders?

 

[wade2big]

I can't speak to other cops, but the sheriff and deputies in our county are great. Very pro gun. They don't hassle people for little shit. Literally never seen one sitting in a speed trap. They are very clear with the locals about what they can and can't expect from police given the remote area, and what we need to see as our responsibility. I can't imagine supporting, or not supporting, an entire profession, but we are lucky to have ours.

You aren’t denying the police’s part in forcing the tyrannical shutdowns in this country and beyond are you Choid? The choice was clear. Disobey and we fine you. Dont pay the fine and we arrest you. Resist arrest and we kill you.

What about their role in protecting these evil politicians and their marxist agendas. You don’t deny their protection of these traitors do you?

 

[Choid]

If the ATF raided a home, could they be called upon to defend the home and stop the raiders?

Wait, are the cops my own private army? You get fucking dumber every day.

 

[Choid]

You aren’t denying the police’s part in forcing the tyrannical shutdowns in this country and beyond are you Choid? The choice was clear. Disobey and we fine you. Dont pay the fine and we arrest you. Resist arrest and we kill you.

What about their role in protecting these evil politicians and their marxist agendas. You don’t deny their protection of these traitors do you?

We had a statewide mandate. The sheriffs office and county commissioners refused to enforce it in our county. So I can't help you.

As I said, some are good, some are bad. I don't do blanket statements.

 

[wade2big]

We had a statewide mandate. The sheriffs office and county commissioners refused to enforce it in our county. So I can't help you.

As I said, some are good, some are bad. I don't do blanket statements.

When it comes to corrupted govt, I do.

You are still willfully blinded about the state of this nation.

 

[TexPatriot]

Bullshit

Show me more than 1 percent of cops who won’t enforce CCW let alone NFA shenanigans

All unconstitutional

You want to piss cops off and make them pack up and leave a range? Get out your shot timer and start doing one shot draws on steel under a second. Don't be surprised if your license plates get written down and run.

Want to make cops happy? Get pulled over for DWI and tell them you have a gun in your vehicle. Much high fiving and celebrations all around. "Another gun off the street."

 

[Choid]

When it comes to corrupted govt. i do.

OK. But the idea of corrupted government necessitates that of uncorrupted government, so you should be able to discriminate between the two.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Defund the ATF.

 

[TurboTrout]

Wait, are the cops my own private army? You get fucking dumber every day.

I know, I’m sooo stupid thinking those guys actually defend our rights, what was I thinking

 

[Choid]

I know, I’m sooo stupid thinking those guys actually defend our rights, what was I thinking

No, what you do here, and everywhere, is to make up a particular extreme case that you then use as the only definition of the term in question. It is constant, and while you might believe it is conclusive or formally interesting, it is neither. In this case you have defined "good police" as only those who will come and fight a team of ATF agents on the behalf of every citizen. LMAO. It's just more motte and bailey bullshit.

My county has an area of 2400 square miles and has a sheriff, two deputies and a dispatcher. So no, they are not going to be able to make a stand at my house if the ATF shows up. Using your genius logic, you should be arguing for an expansion of the force of at least 10x, so that they could have a tactical team, an intelligence unit etc. Because more freedom comes from that.

 

[Yells01]

HANG the criminals. In the town square. Make it spectator sport again... so-as-to ACTUALLY have a deterrent to crime. Charge admission for tickets to the grandstands.

This. This right here. The end.

 

[TurboTrout]

No, what you do here, and everywhere, is to make up a particular extreme case that you then use as the only definition of the term in question. It is constant, and while you might believe it is conclusive or formally interesting, it is neither. In this case you have defined "good police" as only those who will come and fight a team of ATF agents on the behalf of every citizen. LMAO. It's just more motte and bailey bullshit.

My county has an area of 2400 square miles and has a sheriff, two deputies and a dispatcher. So no, they are not going to be able to make a stand at my house if the ATF shows up. Using your genius logic, you should be arguing for an expansion of the force of at least 10x, so that they could have a tactical team, an intelligence unit etc. Because more freedom comes from that.

You’re right, totally unfair to think police should protect my constitutional rights

Wait, they are there to protect me right?

Oh shit

Warren v. District of Columbia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Heroes, basically peace time soldiers in a time of war right?

 

[Choid]

You’re right, totally unfair to think police should protect my constitutional rights, not like that shit is stickered on lots of their cars

OK, Bailey.

 

[wade2big]

HANG the criminals. In the town square. Make it spectator sport again... so-as-to ACTUALLY have a deterrent to crime. Charge admission for tickets to the grandstands.

This. This right here. The end.

We are way past this point men. The govt is too far gone and the police force far to large for this to be an option. As it is now, you guys are more likely to hang.

The people should have the power to punish the criminals in this manner, not the police. Instead we have been brainwashed to accept and be at the mercy of the police state. This has always been the plan in order to grow the elites power at your expense. The police are there to make sure you dont get out of line while your masters rape and pillage as they please.