Suppressors School me on suppressors
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Oh nice. So im looking at the ultra 9 but others have suggested the DOMINUS-CB. They look to be shorter and light but not as quite? What about recoil?
The Ultra 9 will be quieter. I don't have recoil numbers but generally we have found that recoil reduction follows dB reduction directly. The Dominus-CB will have less backpressure than an Ultra 7 or Ultra 9, due to its larger diameter and internal geometry, which may help on gas guns compared to an Ultra 7/9.
Running strictly bolt action rifles long range shooting and then take it hunting. Now i only draw every 2 years or so. So the hunting isnt as major as the long range shooting.
The 9 is the best performance?
Yes
I love my TBAC ultra 9 and Armageddon cover. If I drop the coin on another can I think it would be the 338 Ultra SR for my uses
I run direct thread. Have thought about converting to CB but have read some issues with users getting the can/brake stuck together.
The cost of the brakes may be a deciding factor for you as well. I run my ultra 9 on 7 different rifles
My 260 went up about 50 FPS. I shoot my guns suppressed only and just tune the load accordingly so I haven’t checked the others without the can
I run direct thread. Have thought about converting to CB but have read some issues with users getting the can/brake stuck together.
The cost of the brakes may be a deciding factor for you as well. I run my ultra 9 on 7 different rifles
My 260 went up about 50 FPS. I shoot my guns suppressed only and just tune the load accordingly so I haven’t checked the others without the can
Yeah brakes get pricey fast but you ever have any issues with direct thread? Coming lose?
My bolt guns are target/hunting related and I’m not firing a ton of rounds. Plus I check now and then to be sure it hasn’t worked loose. I’ve fired 30-50 rounds without issue.
Personally If you want decent suppression and not worry about coming loose then I’d get a dominus sr.
If you want ultimate suppression without the can coming loose and not worried about size of the can get the 338 ultra sr.
If you want great suppression and to be able to screw the can on any 5/8 - 24 thread without needing additional brakes and want lighter weight get the Ultra 7 or 9
If you want the same as above and don’t mind the prices of brakes then get the ultra with CB mount. Just realizing the issues some have had with them getting seized together
Another can I really like is the SilencerCo Omega 36M which can run on 9mm and 338. My BIL has the original omega and it’s a nice can. Heavier than the ultra but sounds great. Those cans you can change from direct thread to QD brake yourself
I run a SilencerCo Saker ASR for my AR’s
You're going to have to elaborate on that response a bit more than that, sports fan...
Don't be an ignorant blind fanboy... I never said they were bad cans, or NOT to buy one. I just said to watch out for that KNOWN ISSUE. So fuck off trying to make me look like the bad guy for trying to help someone by telling them to look out for something that cost well over $1,500 of their hard-earned money, and takes 7-10 months to acquire, only to end up with a bad egg, IF it was one of the affected. Guess I'm the boogyman... Just call me Baba Yaga...
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Ok... I didn't say shit about a Form 3 can, did I? That's a common sense thing...If it's only been transferred to a dealer (and not an individual yet) then it's not a real arduous task to replace. Form 3's are quick. I said if the issue was bad enough that the can had to be replaced entirely (S/N portion included) you would have to resubmit, because you cannot simply re-issue a new can with the existing S/N (which is a really stupid ATF rule BTW). The same goes for a damaged can of ANY manufacturer, if the S/N portion gets damaged beyond repair.
Also, you're taking this personal... All I said was it's something to be careful of. If you think some dealers aren't shady enough to sell one possibly affected anyway, then you have more faith in mankind than I do... Because I've been alive long enough to know you can't fully trust anyone...Not even family.
Where did he say anything about a form three? I think TBAC knows how to do suppressor business, you didn't need to go through all that.
Didnt he also say the fix retains the serial number? Its right there in the quote. As in the repair has nothing to do with the part of the can thats numbered? Thats all besides the point, since it was a handful of cans in a very small serial number range anyway.
You put out bad info about their recall, and he corrected it exactly as he should have. You seem to be taking it personally, not him.
If a dealer has it, then it's still on a Form 3 transfer... Dealer-to-Dealer. It has not been Form-4 transferred yet. He said if a dealer has it and it hasn't been Form 4'd yet (which means it's still on a Form 3). So, yeah...
If the fix retains the S/N, then it's not a big deal. I was simply stating that IF it didn't... In life there's a lot of "what ifs?"... Might need to learn to start questioning things instead of just goose-stepping in line like a lemming on the cliff.
As for the me taking it personally... Nope, just elaborating on what I was saying, since he seemed to get all butthurt about it. Also, how does he know it's only a "handful of cans"? I don't know how big or small the issue was/is, that's why I didn't give out any of that info... But from an outsider's perspective, it sure seems like an awful lot of chatter over "just a couple of cans with issues..." That's all I'm saying.
Also, I never told the OP NOT to buy one...Just gave the last bit of info I had heard about the issues. I actually went as far as saying that TBAC was a good company with good products...But everyone overlooked that and went straight into the butthurt defense-more "you're a liar" responses, just like I figured would happen. Same shit that always happens on these forums when you start telling truths about certain company's products, and the fanboys immediately start in with their typical bullshit defending these companies tooth & nail, as if they have some sort of monetary or emotional stakes in the game.
I guess if you were buying a new truck, and the motor was known to have a few major failure issues, wouldn't you like to know about it before spending $60K? Enough said...
Zak was directly refuting your claim that cans were “so bad” guys were having to resubmit form 4’s. This is false, and you’ve done nothing to address that yet. The serial number range is on their website, and its small, go look for yourself. The number of cans that actually needed repair is but a small fraction of that. Last I looked, Zak had been updating the recall thread about the frequency.If a dealer has it, then it's still on a Form 3 transfer... Dealer-to-Dealer. It has not been Form-4 transferred yet. He said if a dealer has it and it hasn't been Form 4'd yet (which means it's still on a Form 3). So, yeah...
If the fix retains the S/N, then it's not a big deal. I was simply stating that IF it didn't... In life there's a lot of "what ifs?"... Might need to learn to start questioning things instead of just goose-stepping in line like a lemming on the cliff.
As for the me taking it personally... Nope, just elaborating on what I was saying, since he seemed to get all butthurt about it. Also, how does he know it's only a "handful of cans"? I don't know how big or small the issue was/is, that's why I didn't give out any of that info... But from an outsider's perspective, it sure seems like an awful lot of chatter over "just a couple of cans with issues..." That's all I'm saying.
Also, I never told the OP NOT to buy one...Just gave the last bit of info I had heard about the issues. I actually went as far as saying that TBAC was a good company with good products...But everyone overlooked that and went straight into the butthurt defense-more "you're a liar" responses, just like I figured would happen. Same shit that always happens on these forums when you start telling truths about certain company's products, and the fanboys immediately start in with their typical bullshit defending these companies tooth & nail, as if they have some sort of monetary or emotional stakes in the game.
I guess if you were buying a new truck, and the motor was known to have a few major failure issues, wouldn't you like to know about it before spending $60K? Enough said...
I'm not sure what your disconnect is because I explained the situation precisely and I described the two cases based on Form 4 status. My post didn't include the phrase "Form 3". In addition, the recall info at https://thunderbeastarms.com/g2recall clearly describes the process to repair cans on submitted Form 4, vs. replacing ones that do not have Form 4's yet filed.
The situation you described literally has not happened. It's not physically possible with the nature of the limited problem with a small fraction of the recalled batches.
Is it possible in general for the serial numbered part to be damaged beyond repair? Yeah, we've had guys shoot .300 Win Mag through 1/2-28 brakes (.22 cal) that their gunsmith installed (with the can installed), or mangle them in other ways. I don't even think anyone has done this to a Gen2 can yet. But we are well beyond the scope of the Gen2 recall discussion at this point.
Actually, you said, quote,
which is completely false, a fabricated statement.
I really only here to correct that incorrect statement. Any other opinions on cans or whatever are fine, everyone has their own opinion.
We are actively tracking down all affected cans and to date we have already tested and returned over 60% of the cans in the affected batches. It doesn't even matter if you get one that hasn't been sent back, we can turn it around in a week or less anyway.
It's a little more subtle than that: most cans in dealer "inventory" (ie on their books, in their possession on a Form 3), also have a Form 4 submitted (and not yet cleared, or maybe even cleared but not yet picked up).
All of the public posts we've made here and on the web site contradict your hypothetical.
Referring to Supersubes, probably because he read a post here where I characterized, in a general way, how many cans were actually failing the eval test. I am not going into precise detail on a public forum, but it is a very small percentage, and it turned out to be significantly less than our original estimates from sampling when we announced the recall back in April. We (TBAC ownership) discuss with our engineering staff every can that fails the recall test/evaluation so I am very familiar with the exact failures that we have actually seen.
I think that was more when you made a definite factual statement that was made up.
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If a dealer has it, then it's still on a Form 3 transfer... Dealer-to-Dealer. It has not been Form-4 transferred yet. He said if a dealer has it and it hasn't been Form 4'd yet (which means it's still on a Form 3). So, yeah...
If the fix retains the S/N, then it's not a big deal. I was simply stating that IF it didn't... In life there's a lot of "what ifs?"... Might need to learn to start questioning things instead of just goose-stepping in line like a lemming on the cliff.
As for the me taking it personally... Nope, just elaborating on what I was saying, since he seemed to get all butthurt about it. Also, how does he know it's only a "handful of cans"? I don't know how big or small the issue was/is, that's why I didn't give out any of that info... But from an outsider's perspective, it sure seems like an awful lot of chatter over "just a couple of cans with issues..." That's all I'm saying.
Also, I never told the OP NOT to buy one...Just gave the last bit of info I had heard about the issues. I actually went as far as saying that TBAC was a good company with good products...But everyone overlooked that and went straight into the butthurt defense-more "you're a liar" responses, just like I figured would happen. Same shit that always happens on these forums when you start telling truths about certain company's products, and the fanboys immediately start in with their typical bullshit defending these companies tooth & nail, as if they have some sort of monetary or emotional stakes in the game.
I guess if you were buying a new truck, and the motor was known to have a few major failure issues, wouldn't you like to know about it before spending $60K? Enough said...
Sounds like someone needs to work on their reading comprehension. Perhaps you should count to ten, reread Zak’s posts, looking up any big words you don’t understand, and come back when your level of maturity surpasses your capacity to make a fool of yourself. One more public, fake news filled, emotional outburst is sure to result in your conscription into the Democratic Party. If I have misjudged you, and you’re already a Democrat, then carry on. Nothing to see here.
I never said that it was 100%, I said that they "tend".
I'm glad it works for you I'm glad they are designing more repeatable QD designs.
Get back to me after some carbon has built up.
Zak IS Thunderbeast
In the past I have typically seen a 6 - 10 fps increase with my Ultra 9.
I went down to buy the ultra 9 local and the guy said it doesnt come with the first brake? I thought they all come with one?
Don’t get the YHM. Thunderbeast is the gold standard for precision rifles.
Yes that was my plan but then he was like check these out. But then i think his prices are higher $1200 for ultra 9 and no brake
Canon city its like 2.5 hour drive. Might be going to salida
the MSRP on the 9 with a brake is 1195.
there is also the ability to buy direct from TBAC. Maybe that will get you the right price then they can send to the SOT for the transfer.
there is also the ability to buy direct from TBAC. Maybe that will get you the right price then they can send to the SOT for the transfer.
Yeah i found that very weird 1200 and no brake. I think they just try to make extra money.
Any chance the sales guy just doesnt know what he’s talking about? The can did ship with one, they dont just throw it in the box with the can though, its in seperate retail packaging.
He sells them for extra $135 lol instead of 125 looks like i will go else where. Make a hour drive dont like that shady stuff to much
Ive run into too many gun shop monkeys in my time. I can see one just pulling that out of their ass because the brake isnt in the box or something.
Mile high is worth the call. That place is a gun owners wet dream. They're super cool to deal with too.
I talked with them great and helpful. I just live so far away and really dont want to deal with shipping one because who knows what else they will make up. The other shop is great too when i talked with them just have to find time for the drive. Small towns are great til something like this haha
Yeah very weird then. Not sure if they dont know or choose to sell separate
What's the thinking behind this? Simply the need to reduce back pressure and price?
Schw - Not sure where in Colorado you are, but you might try going to Salida. There's what looks to be a pretty nice gun shop there. Stopped in and they had a number of suppressors ... and a ton of other stuff. They seem to favor Dead Air and OSS, but I'm sure they could get you what you want. Haven't done any business with them, yet but did check out some of suppressors they had in stock and spoke with one of their guys for a few minutes. Would definitely consider getting my next suppressor from them.
Yeah great shop and I just came from there and bought a thunderbeast ultra 9. Great people to work with stayed open later to wait for me and the 1.5 hour drive.
That's where my can is waiting right now.. small world I guess.
What can are you waiting on? Yes it is lol not to many people around here
Cole Tac makes a good cover. Get the metal clips
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I was looking at that one and Armageddon high temp cover
Also I didn't see where to change it to metal clips
I'm waiting on a dominus, Live up in Westcliffe.
Metal python is the model
Thank you I will look for that. I really like the high temp
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