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People take vaccines all the time. To put your kids in school they need to have their shots ie,,,vaccines. A lot of us here had the same when we were kids.. today though, I am more of a natural kinda guy. I never have nor plan to get a flu shot. I like to naturally get the flu every few years. i feel you need to get sick every once in awhile. while it sucks it is necessary. This way you naturally build up immunity. We all know this and I am of this train of thought. I am by no means anti ax or really anti anything but this just doesn’t pass the smell test. I believe President Trump started this vaccine as a way for americans to feel safe if they felt like they wanted it, I also think he was trying to break the COVID fear hold the dems kept pushing. Which is why all you saw everyday on the news were the toll numbers and then the COVID juiced deaths, and fuckery like the nursing home incidents in NY, pa, no, and MI, all just trying to keep adding to the death total. President Trump was trying to find an answer to effectively combat this and needed it fast. Warp speed fast.
but watching the supplanted administration for the past several months do everything in its power to destroy this country from within down to its very foundations as well as lie, steal, cheat, gives me zero confidence that this current regime gives a shit about anyone of us. So them pushing and pushing the free vaccine ( what medicine Is free?) for the good of the people doesn’t pass the smell test. These fuckers are trying to remake a new world order including the citizenry.fight before our eyes. while the vaccine itself may help, the govt pushing it leads me to believe that this COVID train is just an extremely effective way to control a population. Just my thoughts
but watching the supplanted administration for the past several months do everything in its power to destroy this country from within down to its very foundations as well as lie, steal, cheat, gives me zero confidence that this current regime gives a shit about anyone of us. So them pushing and pushing the free vaccine ( what medicine Is free?) for the good of the people doesn’t pass the smell test. These fuckers are trying to remake a new world order including the citizenry.fight before our eyes. while the vaccine itself may help, the govt pushing it leads me to believe that this COVID train is just an extremely effective way to control a population. Just my thoughts
mRNA is short for "messenger RNA." It is the copy of the DNA that is used by the cellular machinery to create proteins. Unless it encodes a reverse transcriptase which copies mRNA into DNA and an integrase (which splices DNA into other pieces of DNA) mRNA doesn't have the capacity to mutate anything.
From what I can tell (I'm not a virologist, but I did take a "couple" of bio classes in college), the point of a mRNA vaccine is to use your cellular machinery to create viral proteins that will then act as antigens to trigger an immune response.
Why not just use an attenuated virus, you ask? I mean it worked for small pox and Polio. I don't know, but I could "hand wave" my way into a couple of reasonable explanations.
From what I can tell (I'm not a virologist, but I did take a "couple" of bio classes in college), the point of a mRNA vaccine is to use your cellular machinery to create viral proteins that will then act as antigens to trigger an immune response.
Why not just use an attenuated virus, you ask? I mean it worked for small pox and Polio. I don't know, but I could "hand wave" my way into a couple of reasonable explanations.
I think the Italian doctor said wait 18 months...after getting the vaccine i am now just waiting for the government to hit the switch killing all those that got it as a new improved form of population control like china would do , as there base of lefty socialist are bound to not get it and the government got different shots that what they gave to the public so all else aside they will live while us suckers perish . lol
Actually the Johnson and Johnson Vaccine (the 1-shot) is not a mRNA. So i was thinking about getting it. But (A) Its really hard to find and (B) Everytime I sign up for one, my appointment gets cancelled.
Things that make me go hmmmmmm
And then in staff this morning when our Doctor/Professor says (A big mask/vaccine advocate btw) "They are not telling us everything" I did a big spit take....
That is incorrect. Europe was heavily distributing the "vaccine". My uncle spent the better part of a month and a half hospitalized for multiple blood clots post vaccination there. Germany began vaccinating 26 DEC 2020 and has more than 50% of its populace fully vaccinated.
UK has seen the majority of covid deaths last month come from "vaccinated" at roughly 63% of the covid deaths according to Public Health England aka PHE.
‘Milestone’: More than half of German population fully vaccinated
More than half the population of Germany is now fully vaccinated against Covid-19, Health Minister Jens Spahn said Wednesday, but concerns are growing about a slowdown in uptake.
www.thelocal.de You know, unfortunately, nothing you hear about nationally can be believed. Everything is spun by both sides. In our town of 60,000 (catchment area of 250,000 for our hospital) we do know what happened here. And we were hit hard. I'm not saying our experience applies universally, but I do trust our data.
1. Covid was much more transmissible than influenza, and roughly 10x as deadly. Part of this, of course, was that we have vaccines and treatments for flu but not for Covid. This was before monoclonal antibodies, hydroxychloroquine, etc., and the vaccine
2. Hit mostly > 65, but a number of 40s and 50s without underlying conditions died as well
3. N-95 masks, worn properly by hospital folks who were accustomed to them, and changed frequently, did work; hospital workers who got CV (and there were many), when contact tracing was done, were found to have been exposed in unmasked events
4. Masks made from your wife's panties, not so much
5. The Delta variant, while much more contagious, is much, much less deadly; exactly the pattern one sees in most viruses
6. And this is not based on personal experience, but I'm betting the lambda prime variant will be the most deadly yet and will peak...hmmm...around Nov 2022.
1. Covid was much more transmissible than influenza, and roughly 10x as deadly. Part of this, of course, was that we have vaccines and treatments for flu but not for Covid. This was before monoclonal antibodies, hydroxychloroquine, etc., and the vaccine
2. Hit mostly > 65, but a number of 40s and 50s without underlying conditions died as well
3. N-95 masks, worn properly by hospital folks who were accustomed to them, and changed frequently, did work; hospital workers who got CV (and there were many), when contact tracing was done, were found to have been exposed in unmasked events
4. Masks made from your wife's panties, not so much
5. The Delta variant, while much more contagious, is much, much less deadly; exactly the pattern one sees in most viruses
6. And this is not based on personal experience, but I'm betting the lambda prime variant will be the most deadly yet and will peak...hmmm...around Nov 2022.
There is a well known golfer who was ousted from the Olympics because he tested positive for Covid. He was also ousted from a tournament he was leading by 6 strokes because of Covid. Fully Vacccinated.
So either the vaccine is fucked or the testing is fucked, probably both. Other than the brief blurb of it in the local sports section there has been zero coverage of this rather obvious clusterfuck. This whole deal is an abomination and just keeps getting worse.
So either the vaccine is fucked or the testing is fucked, probably both. Other than the brief blurb of it in the local sports section there has been zero coverage of this rather obvious clusterfuck. This whole deal is an abomination and just keeps getting worse.
Can't really debunk it. I'd say it's pretty spot on.
It's 9/11. But the enemy is so elusive anyone could be it. It's not the rumsfelds and cheneyies getting rich this time.
Look at all the bills passed since the start of this debacle. All for our safety.
I'll take dangerous freedom over "safety" 7 days a week.
It's 9/11. But the enemy is so elusive anyone could be it. It's not the rumsfelds and cheneyies getting rich this time.
Look at all the bills passed since the start of this debacle. All for our safety.
I'll take dangerous freedom over "safety" 7 days a week.
This isn't about vaccinating, it's about setting up the next election fraud scheme by using Covid or the variant to force more of the mail in votes that can be easily manipulated for another socialist landslide to victory.
it is the "if at all" part that is incorrect in your comment. Europe did and has distributed pfizer and moderna "vaccines".
In for two, asking some friends if they want any
Since you asked China is using Fosun/BioNTech as a booster shot. They refused to use mRNA before and used basically inactivated virus for Sinovac which has been done with success many times before for other diseases. Crazy that China called for suspension of the Pfizer vacc over safety concerns https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...na-vaccine-for-elderly-after-norwegian-deaths But, in all reality I don't really care about communists! They suck!
Europe recommends double dosing the "vaccine".
Germany issues world's strongest recommendation for mixing Covid-19 vaccines | CNN
Germany has issued what appears to be the strongest recommendation anywhere for the mixing of Covid-19 vaccines on efficacy grounds.
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Seems you have some bad information there...
Fact Check-England’s COVID-19 death statistics do not suggest vaccines aren’t working
An online blog saying 62% of England’s recent COVID-19 deaths are among vaccinated individuals has taken Public Health England (PHE) data out of context. Medical experts told Reuters it is also important to consider the demographics of vaccinated people.www.reuters.com
Investigation of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern: technical briefings
Technical briefing documents on novel SARS-CoV-2 variants.
China, yes. Germany? NoThat must have happened very recently... within the last 2 weeks.
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Fosun-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine completes China regulator review - media
Chinese regulators have completed an expert review of a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine developed by Germany's BioNTech (22UAy.DE) and Fosun Pharma (600196.SS) and the shot is in the administration review stage, Caixin reported, citing the Chinese company.www.reuters.com
You tried to fact check me and got it wrong on each point, plain and simple.
The majority of deaths in the UK for that time period from covid were vaccinated as I had wrote. Context enough?
mRNA vaccines don’t work like that. It enters your body, delivers to/infects your cells with the RNA that causes your cells to produce the protein that will trigger the imunoresponse to the spike protein on the sarsII/COVID virus. Once that delivery is made the lipid sac absorbs into your blood stream. It’s gone and only your cells producing the protein are evidence it was there. The mRNA needs a cell to stimulate to create the protine. A virus is not a cell. The vaccine and the virus itself would have no reaction/interaction, as all it can really do is use a cell to replicate itself. It doesn’t work like a traditional vaccine which delivers that protine to the cells and triggers the imunoresponse. There is no COVID, alive, dead, or in pieces in the mRNA vaccine.
It‘s sort of an elegant solution using our own body’s ability to create proteins and defend itself to put It on guard for COVID, and get it to attack the moment it is detected.
A virus mutates, but mRNA can’t mutate it.
Looking at the article from reuters, it is strange that we are now looking at the "demographics". The sky was falling and everyone was going to die when this first kicked off
The percentage understandably would go up as there is an increase in vaccinated there will be an increase in deaths that are vaccinated. It just begs to question, how effective is it really?
You can quibble about the 2%, it is still over half at 59.8%.
The percentage understandably would go up as there is an increase in vaccinated there will be an increase in deaths that are vaccinated. It just begs to question, how effective is it really?
You can quibble about the 2%, it is still over half at 59.8%.
Ok, fair enough. I know dick about this other than the MRNA was some weird DNA altering thing. The question then remains though, given that we don't even really know how the vaccine/MRNA works in this case, and no one wants to actually tell us, is if this MRNA 'acts' the way its supposed to or not.
Because then, for a virus thats existed, why is it now mutating when the only thing thats really changed is we've injected people with a vaccine for it and then within a few months all of a sudden have a mutation?
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov More lack of sleep.The Majority of deaths from Covid were in the population that is vaccinated most and is also most susceptible, the Elderly. That is the context you're missing. Just like you missed that I grouped France, Germany and China together as countries that had distributed non mRNA vaccines at various percentages. "Places like France, Germany, China, and others are seeing upswings in cases of the Delta variant, and they didn't distribute mRNA vaccines to the extent America did, if at all." Again, it follows that if China did not distribute mRNA vaccines it is accurate and grammatically appropriate in English to add at the end, "if at all" to note that exception. I can understand the miscommunication if English is not your first language.
More of that context on England:
Fact Check-England’s COVID-19 death statistics do not suggest vaccines aren’t working
An online blog saying 62% of England’s recent COVID-19 deaths are among vaccinated individuals has taken Public Health England (PHE) data out of context. Medical experts told Reuters it is also important to consider the demographics of vaccinated people.
Damn, do we have to spoon feed you everything. MRNA and rDNA vaccines are essentially the same.
Four candidate vaccines for humans with or without alum adjuvant were evaluated in a mouse model of SARS, a VLP vaccine, the vaccine given to ferrets and NHP, another whole virus vaccine and an rDNA-produced S protein.
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www.verywellhealth.com
Four candidate vaccines for humans with or without alum adjuvant were evaluated in a mouse model of SARS, a VLP vaccine, the vaccine given to ferrets and NHP, another whole virus vaccine and an rDNA-produced S protein.
What's the Difference Between a DNA and RNA Vaccine?
Learn how DNA and RNA vaccines work, how they're different from traditional protein-based vaccines, and how they may benefit COVID-19.
Your premise assumes there is actually a muting virus. Is there a test for the new variant? How accurate is the reporting. I'm skeptical at best. Even more so with the best and brightest from the US government being involved.
Definitely more questions and speculation surrounding the whole affair. More telling is the consistent level of distrust on our government.
Interesting thread anyway.
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The only way to test for variants is genome sequencing. ITs funny because someone was telling me here, for the Delta variant to be a lie, there would have to be scientists all over looking through their microscopes and lying about what they were seeing. In other words, they don't know, what they don't know.
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus - PubMed
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of...
This is for SARS-Cov-1 and not for SARS-COV-2(covid) or am I incorrect?
Interesting read,
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) by the numbers
The COVID-19 pandemic is a harsh reminder of the fact that, whether in a single human host or a wave of infection across continents, viral dynamics is often a story about the numbers. In this article we provide a one-stop, curated graphical source for ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov It should be enough to say we have no idea what the long term effects of these vaccines are going to be.
Trying to shoehorn “they don’t work”, or “they’re immediately dangerous“ into the argument does not help and is irrelevant. I'm vaxed, but I will help you shoot anyone who tries to force you to get vaccinated if you don't want to.
Every living thing has the potential to mutate when it propagates/replicates (viruses have many of the properties of living things). That's how living things evolve. For a human the generational period is 15-20 years before there are offspring that can potentially mutate/evolve. A single covid virion can create hundreds of thousands of copies of itself in each cell before it kills the cell. That's what viruses do. An infected person carries about 100,000,000,000 (10 to the 10th power) virions in their body. I don't know what the generational breakdown equates to, but it's probably seconds per generation to create a hundred billion virions in a few days.
That's alot of generations of replication really, really fast. This is why viruses and short life cycle animals can mutate into different organisms so quickly by our reckoning of time. This incredibly prolific and short replication period is why viruses mutate faster than just about anything else. All they need is a host to replicate.
The reason pandemics always lessen in lethality as they go on is the the more deadly strains kill the host before the host can spread it wide and far, so a virus naturally tends to mutate to both a less lethal and a more communicable form, because that's what makes it live the most/longest.
Trying to shoehorn “they don’t work”, or “they’re immediately dangerous“ into the argument does not help and is irrelevant. I'm vaxed, but I will help you shoot anyone who tries to force you to get vaccinated if you don't want to.
It's not sudden, and it's not a wave. It's been mutating since it escaped from the lab and the infected Chicom scientists spread it to the city of Wu Han. I can't find the graphic, and this one is less dramatic, but the strains of covid have been branching as the infection spreads. The vast majority of mutations can't be detected unless you examine the RNA of the virus. It's only when it changes enough to change it's pathogenic nature that they will designate it to be a "different" strain.
Every living thing has the potential to mutate when it propagates/replicates (viruses have many of the properties of living things). That's how living things evolve. For a human the generational period is 15-20 years before there are offspring that can potentially mutate/evolve. A single covid virion can create hundreds of thousands of copies of itself in each cell before it kills the cell. That's what viruses do. An infected person carries about 100,000,000,000 (10 to the 10th power) virions in their body. I don't know what the generational breakdown equates to, but it's probably seconds per generation to create a hundred billion virions in a few days.
That's alot of generations of replication really, really fast. This is why viruses and short life cycle animals can mutate into different organisms so quickly by our reckoning of time. This incredibly prolific and short replication period is why viruses mutate faster than just about anything else. All they need is a host to replicate.
The reason pandemics always lessen in lethality as they go on is the the more deadly strains kill the host before the host can spread it wide and far, so a virus naturally tends to mutate to both a less lethal and a more communicable form, because that's what makes it live the most/longest.
There's a study that just came out of Israel that shows that the fully vaccinated are ~7x more likely to be re-infected then the naturally immune.
There's also been other studies as well that supports natural immunity being really effective against re-infection. You just don't hear the media talk about it as it goes against the narrative. Somehow natural immunity, long been known to science as the golden standard of immunity, became a right wing conspiracy in 2020.
Since we're throwing theories out there here's mine: Bill gates is a proponent of depopulation and the great reset. His philanthropic organization has been involved in pushing vaccines for several years. He's epically bad at it. https://fort-russ.com/2020/09/major...ccine-caused-recent-polio-outbreak-in-africa/
He's good friends with Fauci.
The American middle class historically votes republican. Democrats crave power more than anything. But no matter what they do, the middle class only despises them. In 2020 they gain power through a fraudulent election. The vaccine is rolled out and some take it but others cannot be bribed, cajoled, pressured or mandated to take it. I've seen several highly credentialed doctors say this vaccine will be lethal to most in 24 months. I'm not entirely convinced of that but I'm certainly paying attention to the ~12000 deaths in the VAERS database right now that they are desperately trying to hide.
Back to this troublesome middle class population that despises democrats; their replacements from all over the world are streaming across the southern border. And nobody is pushing the vaccine on them. They're not even being tested.
He's good friends with Fauci.
The American middle class historically votes republican. Democrats crave power more than anything. But no matter what they do, the middle class only despises them. In 2020 they gain power through a fraudulent election. The vaccine is rolled out and some take it but others cannot be bribed, cajoled, pressured or mandated to take it. I've seen several highly credentialed doctors say this vaccine will be lethal to most in 24 months. I'm not entirely convinced of that but I'm certainly paying attention to the ~12000 deaths in the VAERS database right now that they are desperately trying to hide.
Back to this troublesome middle class population that despises democrats; their replacements from all over the world are streaming across the southern border. And nobody is pushing the vaccine on them. They're not even being tested.
There is no need to "shoe horn they don't work." They want to give you a third shot because if it does work, it doesn't work for long. Getting injected with the same thing again, is going to protect you from the new variant though.It should be enough to say we have no idea what the long term effects of these vaccines are going to be.
Trying to shoehorn “they don’t work”, or “they’re immediately dangerous“ into the argument does not help and is irrelevant. I'm vaxed, but I will help you shoot anyone who tries to force you to get vaccinated if you don't want to.
It's not sudden, and it's not a wave. It's been mutating since it escaped from the lab and the infected Chicom scientists spread it to the city of Wu Han. I can't find the graphic, and this one is less dramatic, but the strains of covid have been branching as the infection spreads. The vast majority of mutations can't be detected unless you examine the RNA of the virus. It's only when it changes enough to change it's pathogenic nature that they will designate it to be a "different" strain.
Every living thing has the potential to mutate when it propagates/replicates (viruses have many of the properties of living things). That's how living things evolve. For a human the generational period is 15-20 years before there are offspring that can potentially mutate/evolve. A single covid virion can create hundreds of thousands of copies of itself in each cell before it kills the cell. That's what viruses do. An infected person carries about 100,000,000,000 (10 to the 10th power) virions in their body. I don't know what the generational breakdown equates to, but it's probably seconds per generation to create a hundred billion virions in a few days.
That's alot of generations of replication really, really fast. This is why viruses and short life cycle animals can mutate into different organisms so quickly by our reckoning of time. This incredibly prolific and short replication period is why viruses mutate faster than just about anything else. All they need is a host to replicate.
The reason pandemics always lessen in lethality as they go on is the the more deadly strains kill the host before the host can spread it wide and far, so a virus naturally tends to mutate to both a less lethal and a more communicable form, because that's what makes it live the most/longest.
The spike protein is a part of the COVID that is thought to cause us the most problems. They have injected people with something that makes them produce the spike protein and a lot of it. So, I would bet a dollar, most of the original side effects we heard about virus, heart damage, organ damage, lung damage, are also going to be side effects of the shot, and thats what people are reporting.
That of course depends on what reality we are looking at. Did they gather in cases for symptoms, like they did for deaths. Help turn up the fear porn and pump up the numbers. What parts of the story are true? Are the Dr.S that are being censored once again the ones trying to tell us the truth?
Klaus Schwab of the WEF promised us an EMP strike that would make the virus seem like childs play. Have there been any "dress rehearsal" by the .gov the way thee was for Rona? When you hear about that, be very concerned.
I think I see your problem.
Yea, it was a win/win for the commies. They shut down all the protest, killed off at least 7 figures (mostly elderly - non-productive) so successful that they raised the baby limit to 3, stuck it to evil orange man and eliminated all that chatter about their human rights abuses. Poo bear XI has the upper hand right now.
Here is my conspiracy theory.
Replace 9/11 with Coronavirus.
Crazy Muslims with Crazy Chinese.
Ya know... I went down with "something" last week. Sniffles, cough, and fever but felt fine from the neck down. Got rapid tested yesterday as work was freaking out and came back negative. The little pharmacy girl said "I'm amazed you came back negative. You should go get the other test." (in my mind... Fuck that!) So I asked her about whole PIC (Pneumonia Inflenza CoVid) thing as well as if there was something else going around like a summer cold or flu strain. "Maybe... It sure seems that way." K then, I'm going home. Chalk me up as a statistic.
It all makes sense when you understand it’s a 10,000 year old pedo cult determined to “de populate” and enslave man by any and all means necessary.
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www.bitchute.com i see a lot of truth in all the doubting thoughts on here. pretty much the same as my thinking. here is a question i had way back at the start. this was originally labeled a corona virus which came as a huge surprise to our rulers. i have know about corona since the 80s as a rottweiler owner then. their immune systems are know to be problematic with susceptibility to parvo and corona even when well vaccinated. i have no real knowledge of virology but,in my simple mind,the question was-what is the big news,panic and mystery? the "experts" should have had a heads up from vet prior knowledge and a head start on "cures" if this was all real and not an exercise in increasing government power and control. this whole charade being real is doubtful. cdc paid,china made it,turned it loose. wrecking america and the rest of the west was worth the deaths of any number of common chinese to their modern mandarins. easy to do since china has control of most of of our current "leaders".
Follow the science, not the bullshit. Dr. Scott Jensen
I get really mad when people say they are following the science, and then when you ask them what science and provide them with the real science, you never hear from them again.
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OP,
I’m going to take a crack at addressing some of the questions you raised in your first response… but I’m only going to engage in respectful discourse. People are way too emotional on both sides of this debate, I’m just trying to give you an opposing viewpoint.
I’m not going to try to disprove conspiracy theories and things that have zero evidence. Anyone can come up this a theory with zero evidence to support it. If there is no real data backing it, then it’s not worth refuting.
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1.) 99.96% individual change of survival is incorrect… by you saying “or something” I’m assuming you made the number up… but I assume you are probably referring to the IFR, (deaths / total infected cases).
The biggest error here is that you cannot just use a single number to address your individual risk. A child is going to have a very, very low risk, where an 80+ year old will have almost 10%
Averaged TOGETHER, is when you see numbers like 99.7%, etc.., but that DOES NOT mean a 75 year old has that chance… it’s an average.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2918-0
2.) A more appropriate number if we are going to talk about the population as a whole is around 99.0-99.5%%, (before vaccines)... where the final IFR ends up will take some time, but I'll use some available data to make some very ROUGH estimates below:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/202...-fatality-ratio-is-about-one-point-15-percent
There are 331 million people in the US… assuming that we let the virus run rampant, and it infected people until we reached herd immunity (assuming 75% infections are required)… that would be 2,482,500 dead people.
Just standing by while 2,482,500 Americans die, and knowing I didn’t do anything to try to stop it? I mean, assuming 99.5% average survival is still 1,241,250 dead people…
I just don’t think people think about the ACTUAL number of dead people they are talking about when they throw out those survival numbers…
3.) The whole thing was politicized… but that doesn’t change the fact that the virus is REAL, and is killing Americans each day.
4.) I agree the lab-leak there is very much a real possibility and needs to be investigated. This is something else that was taboo to even talk about because Trump mentioned it… The GOOD news is that its getting main-stream attention now…but again, it doesn’t change the fact the virus is REAL and we have to deal with it.
5.) mRNA vaccines do not change a persons DNA… this is pretty well established science.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-can-mrna-vaccines-alter-human-dna
6.) Vaccines do not in any way cause virus mutations. This is VERY WELL established science. Viruses mutate during their replication, because they do not have a way to ensure that the cell makes the copy EXACTLY correct.
As long as a virus is allow to freely replicate, the more times it has a chance to mutate. Vaccines actually cause your body to kill the virus. Killing the virus prevents it from infecting more cells, thus reducing mutations.
https://www.unitypoint.org/article....ion of a vaccine,likely see more new variants
Also, Delta came From India. India didn’t even have the mRNA vaccines, heck, they basically had no vaccines… so Delta could not have possibly come from an mRNA vaccine anyway.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid
7.) Yes, the CDC and other government agencies have flipped flopped and screwed up… they did it under Trump, and they’ve done it under Biden.
Here’s the thing… there has never been anything like this in the history of our nation. It was totally new, and they are ill-prepared….if you don’t trust them, listen to the advice of your states local health department… or the tons of qualified public health experts that are almost universally saying the same thing.
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Summary and my personal thoughts:
- Even though the virus does have a high survival % on average, when applied to large populations, that still means A LOT of dead people. CDC estimate so far is 610K dead so far… and that number isn’t that far off if you do some basic math.
- Morally, I feel a duty to try to help prevent unnecessary deaths of fellow citizens. I’m a christian, it is how I was raised. I understand I have the choice NOT to, but I feel taking some basic precautions to do my part is the least I can do.
- It appears to me that people are letting their blind hatred for the left cause them to have an automatic knee-jerk reaction to oppose ANYTHING the left is for…. Instead of thinking objectively about it, and really, scrutinizing misinformation that is being passed around… they are accepting bad information as fact because it fits their narrative… that is called a “confirmation bias”
Good info but I think you're off a little on the vaccine.
Historically, vaccines used dead or weakened virus particles to get your body to recognize the virus and make antibodies to fight it off. This mRNA jab is gene therapy. Here's a comprehensive article, admittedly not from a purely scientific site but we'll documented nonetheless: https://www.libertariannews.org/202...rk-and-the-dangers-they-pose-fully-explained/
Also something that hasn't been mentioned that caught the FDA by surprise was that the vaccine was supposed to stay at the injection site like past vaccines.Typically this is the deltoid muscle. In some people, apparently a lot, it's getting into the bloodstream. There the spike proteins the mRNA uses to initiate an immune response are causing myocarditis, peri carditis and blood clots. In animal testing before it was stopped the vaccine killed almost all the animals ( can't recall the exact number but it was 80 % at least). If you post this Pfizer study on Twitter they will ban you. It's not a vaccine in the historical sense. It's gene therapy.
And reference vaccines not causing mutations: leaky vaccines DO! It's epidemiology 101 that you do not introduce a vaccine in mid pandemic for this very reason. That's how poultry developed Marek's disease. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous.
And one last item, The President of Pfizer was denied entry into Israel because (wait for it)... he was unvaccinated. Why should I get it?
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Except we did have treatments for covid that were banned.
I can only assume you are referring to a short time period between October 2019 and February 2020. At that time type A and B Flu was very scary, and the doctors and nurses in my circle were talking about, "never seen it like this".
They treated me for the flu, and the Tamiflu damn near killed me. Cause I fucking had covid.
I'd say you make a few good points, but you are still hitting wide of several marks.
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