Hello Carl; you can try this; 308win., Lapua brass, ww primes, 42.5 gr. target, oal 2.295 which is off the lands, 175gr. Berger VLD's. Works well with both of my Remy's 700's 22" and 18" barrels firing with Thunderbeast suppressor. Have gotten 2.5" groups out to 600 yds with this load firing...