hi gentlemen, i've just started testing 130 gr edlm using both 2208 [varget] and 2209 [h4350] ,2209 gave better velosity and better es/ sd numbers, es of 4 , sd 1.8 over 43.0 gr scooted along at right on 2902 fps avg, me happy little camper, great forum heaps of data, thanks.