i may be interested in putting in a charging station here, does anyone know anyone else that has??
or, please, any other opinions on anything concerning.
or, please, any other opinions on anything concerning.
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Replying to an old post. I think the problem has been solved.
I’d like to encourage you to do some research on how many solar panels you’ll need to charge a EV battery (hint; they aren’t fitting in your picture)Replying to an old post. I think the problem has been solved.
Unless I'm mistaken they run 480V.
I'm sure there's some kind of exemption to get 480 to a residential because it's a tiny bit dangerous for most average humans.
Call and ask your local power company about running a 480 line to your home
Hint: it ain't gunna be purdy, boy.
I'm sure there's some kind of exemption to get 480 to a residential because it's a tiny bit dangerous for most average humans.
Call and ask your local power company about running a 480 line to your home
Hint: it ain't gunna be purdy, boy.
I'd suggest it's not a matter of the number of panels, more of the amount of time it would take to complete the charge.
Unless I'm mistaken they run 480V.
I'm sure there's some kind of exemption to get 480 to a residential because it's a tiny bit dangerous for most average humans.
Call and ask your local power company about running a 480 line to your home
Hint: it ain't gunna be purdy, boy.
What they run and what's required to charge them is two different things. Cause Tesla isn't selling you a 480V home charger since they sell 240V chargers.
The orange colored one is a 800V 26kw DC charger, the box in the second picture belongs to it. The right small charger is a 400V AC version, charges 11kw and if the vehicle is equipped with an optional additional unit it will charge with 22kw . The big orange beast still needs about 6h to charge a Tacan battery, depending on version and option even longer.
I prefer to stay as far away as possible from the DC charger….this thing just scares the heck out of me.
I prefer to stay as far away as possible from the DC charger….this thing just scares the heck out of me.
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I keep seeing "at home" charging units that are in the 240V/100A range for required power in. So those are what people are going to have installed (if desired) or go pay for it at some public location.
I'm sure there's some magical electrical math that's needed but you don't need 400+V at home to charge your EV. Yes, the more "power" you have on tap to use the more capacity you have to charge and charge at a higher rate. Not to mention is the cost to charge at that rate since you have to "pay up front" for the equipment.
I'm building a home in the near future. Guess what's getting roughed into the garage.....yep....240V if not higher outlets JUST for EV use. As I get closer to building I'll have a better idea of just exactly what is needed...I know 240V is the bottom...if there's other options I may consider them at that time. I'm already expecting to run 400A service to my house or build a system to support 400A of possible use.
Que the electrical guru's.....LOL
I'm sure there's some magical electrical math that's needed but you don't need 400+V at home to charge your EV. Yes, the more "power" you have on tap to use the more capacity you have to charge and charge at a higher rate. Not to mention is the cost to charge at that rate since you have to "pay up front" for the equipment.
I'm building a home in the near future. Guess what's getting roughed into the garage.....yep....240V if not higher outlets JUST for EV use. As I get closer to building I'll have a better idea of just exactly what is needed...I know 240V is the bottom...if there's other options I may consider them at that time. I'm already expecting to run 400A service to my house or build a system to support 400A of possible use.
Que the electrical guru's.....LOL
I’m curious what the electric bill would be running these 240/100amp chargers. I mistakenly installed a “100% efficient” electric boiler for my radiant floor heating in my new insulated garage and was hit with $450-$500/month electric bills just to keep the temp above 48 degrees. Add an electric car charging in the garage and I would assume I’d be looking at $1000 electric bills.
That's the other elephant in the room.
Don't forget not all electrical devices run at full power rating 100% of the time. So just to say 240V/100A SOUNDS scary as far as consumption is concerned, they rarely will run at that rate for days. Of course consult your local electrician to discuss your power needs.
For the home user there is 7 or a 9 kw version in the trunk on 110 volt outlet it needs at least 3 day’s to complete a change. The 9kw over night @ 240 volt outlet, don’t remember amperage needs but it’s higher than your normal 240 outlets. With the later one (9 kw) we have a lot of issues right now. They overheat in hot Florida garages and melt plugs. Also stop changing on their own and throw many faults. Porsche Solution? Set charging rate to 50% 
All this is just a tip off the iceberg…. This technology stinks, no matter what anyone tell’s me.
Did I mention the battery is above 50k ?
All this is just a tip off the iceberg…. This technology stinks, no matter what anyone tell’s me.Did I mention the battery is above 50k ?
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The grey box on the right looks like a transformer, I have seeen similar used to bump 240V to 480V.
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Unless I'm mistaken they run 480V.
I'm sure there's some kind of exemption to get 480 to a residential because it's a tiny bit dangerous for most average humans.
Call and ask your local power company about running a 480 line to your home
Hint: it ain't gunna be purdy, boy.
If you wanted a fast DC charger that you could charge up your vehicle to full in an hour yes.
But you can charge them from your standard dryer 240v 30A outlet overnight.
Most owners that charge them at home have a standard AC charger running off a standard 240v AC circuit in the 16A to 40A range depending on their breaker box and install.
Idk what the fuck I’m reading here in the first few post but EVs have two chargers options generally. One option is 110v and the other is 220v. They 240 is a fast charger and is sometimes a purchase separate option. Not to mention the cost of wiring, if you don’t know how to work with your hands.
Some vehicles like certain Tesla models have two batteries. Each battery control one axle, I’m not sure, but you might charge one at a time, or maybe they have a spot adapter, but the charge with be drawing 220
Some vehicles like certain Tesla models have two batteries. Each battery control one axle, I’m not sure, but you might charge one at a time, or maybe they have a spot adapter, but the charge with be drawing 220
For the home user there is 7 or a 9 kw version in the trunk on 110 volt outlet it needs at least 3 day’s to complete a change. The 9kw over night @ 240 volt outlet, don’t remember amperage needs but it’s higher than your normal 240 outlets. With the later one (9 kw) we have a lot of issues right now. They overheat in hot Florida garages and melt plugs. Also stop changing on their own and throw many faults. Porsche Solution? Set charging rate to 50%
Did I mention the battery is above 50k ?
What I have found out is that most things are simply not rated to draw sustained power long term.
You might be only pulling 16A from your 20A rated 240V setup but you do that for 6+ hours in 100+ degree weather and you better have thermal trip protection on your device plugs.
You get the bigger 22A to 40A chargers and folks plug them into a 30A or 50A dryer socket and 8 hours later things may not look pretty, especially after repeated use when the heating & cooling starts causing issues with resistance in the socket / plug.
Now you throw in something like a 10-30 to 6-20 adapter or a 10-30 to 14-50 adapter made in China and things get all kinds of spicy.
That is correct, but in this case to 800
Something like the Tesla or other similar current generation EVs usually have 3 different charging options:
Level 1 charging which is your standard 100v-120v at 15 amps maximum (and yes they will pull this so your plugs may not like it)
Level 2 charging which is your standard 208v-240v usually at anywhere from 16 amps to 50 amps depending on your circuit
DC fast Charging using DC power input that can go to such high current amounts you have to have liquid cooled charging cables...
Portable chargers that you can carry in your car are often either level 1 or are level 1 / level 2 (the better ones are all level 1 and 2)
Fixed wall chargers at home or work are usually always Level 2
"Super chargers" are usually fast DC charging and only available in specific commercial charging locations.
Can you imagine your 150k tacan burning in the garage attached to your home?
What will happen to insurance premiums in the future with more and more of these ev‘s pushed to the consumer?
It doesn’t sound scary to me, I just lived through a winter of ridiculous electric bills thanks to a super efficient electric 12kw boiler that only ran when needed and only used the minimum burners the demand called for. My boiler ran at 48amps max load and required a 60amp breaker. Just curious how the Tesla charger compares to this.That's the other elephant in the room.
Don't forget not all electrical devices run at full power rating 100% of the time. So just to say 240V/100A SOUNDS scary as far as consumption is concerned, they rarely will run at that rate for days. Of course consult your local electrician to discuss your power needs.
Just build under high tension wires... run yourself some jumpers to your garage... don't worry about the brain cancer...
All will be well!
Cheers,
Sirhr
Several brands including high end names such as Jaguar have had to issue urgent notices to please park your EV outside your garage until we figure out how to stop the whole spontaneous combustion thing...
I would guess a concerned EV owner doesn’t sleep at night wile charging?
I think you just said what I said.
I said , generally 2 chargers. DC inverted Liquid cooled charging is not found everywhere?
level 2 chargers are always 220v supply.
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To be fair, liquid fuel vehicles don't have a perfect record when it comes to fire safety.
My sister in Germany recently told me they are supplying every fire station in Germany with a special steel container
( only way to get the Fire out I’m told, sealed container >no oxygen).No idea how they get a burning ev in these, but costs for the new needed „infrastructure” is higher than everyone imagined I thinks. And this is just a small example nobody thought off .
Somebody nailed it in here. Three chargers. Level 1, 2 and 3. Some homes can do a 19.2kW level 2 charger. You need 80a spare capacity at 240v with a 100a breaker. Level 3, you get into 480V, 3phase. ABB makes a 184kW dc fast charger. Typical home is not suitable for some level 2 and generally not any level 3 chargers. I generally design a 40amp/240v level 2 charging system for someone that wants a faster charger for their home. Comercial we use the 19.2kw level 2 at 208/1ph. The large fleet stuff we will do level 3 dc fast charge. Generally 480v/3ph.
Unless I'm mistaken they run 480V.
I'm sure there's some kind of exemption to get 480 to a residential because it's a tiny bit dangerous for most average humans.
Call and ask your local power company about running a 480 line to your home
Hint: it ain't gunna be purdy, boy.
Your problems aren't so much ones of safety (480 is still "low voltage" and doesn't typically require anything special in terms of materials or clearances), but rather cost. You'd need 3-phase pulled to your house, which isn't normal for residential areas. 300KVA service is going to require multiple 500 MCM conductors and a pad-mount transformer, and you're probably not going to just run this into a standard service entry panel. The last time I had this conversation with my utility, it was likely to be a six-figure job.
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Probably not much different than a burning lithium polymer battery except the core difference. LiPo batteries are interesting on fire, but can be completely neutralized by submersing in water for a said period of time. The scary part about liPo and lithium ion is the opportunity for them to explode after a hard impact. If the cells rupture, they have been know to randomly explode or catch fire without warning. I’ve had quite a few LiPo rc plane batteries so that and take an aircraft with it. I’ve seen rc flying fields that make you take a battery involved in a crash and leave it way away from all activity at the field.
So you think in the near future they are able to pull 3-phase to almost every home? And if you could, how about supply? How many reactors are needed to supply the demand? To me it sounds insane and has absolutely nothing to do with saving the world. I instead inspect the opposite.
That is not what I said or implied; don't twist my words. Generation and distribution will remain a challenge.
You dudes are making this whole thing too complicated.
SOLUTION:
You move reasonably close to a mega truck stop (or Buckee's) that has charging stations. You park your main EV there overnight for charging.
You buy a SECOND EV for the commute to the charging station. EV2 can be left on charge while you are using EV1 for the daily commute to the office. If all you poors can't afford a new home and two EV's then just move into a Hampton Inn. They have charging stations around back. No muss, no fuss.
Just think; no more gasoline charges on that CC every month and you will be saving the planet in double time!
SOLUTION:
You move reasonably close to a mega truck stop (or Buckee's) that has charging stations. You park your main EV there overnight for charging.
You buy a SECOND EV for the commute to the charging station. EV2 can be left on charge while you are using EV1 for the daily commute to the office. If all you poors can't afford a new home and two EV's then just move into a Hampton Inn. They have charging stations around back. No muss, no fuss.
Just think; no more gasoline charges on that CC every month and you will be saving the planet in double time!
I'll stick with being able to fill my gas tank in my truck in about five minutes or less.
Pretty much the problem that the first generation Chevy Bolt was famous for.
If it got into a crash and got towed away, there was a very good chance it would randomly burst into flames in the salvage / repair lot and then once the fire was put out and all good, some random time later, burst back into flames.
In the case of the Bolt I'm not sure if they determined it was dependent on cells being damaged / ruptured or just if the battery cooling system stopped working while there was still charge in the batteries...
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Fascinating tech, but things like this and shitty lifespans will add up quick. That and people that are constantly running their car close to empty will try the same thing with an EV. Those types of batteries have a minimum depletion percentage before they start to become bad. Eventually it just won’t take a charge at all.
I heard the super charging stations are 1000 amps.
Directional drillers are goin to get damned busy if so.
Most municipalities can't even source enough material to keep reasonable schedules for fixes and replacement of current/aged infrastructure.
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I think you are looking for an advice on the wrong forum . Check tesla forums or groups 240V 90-100 amp is all you need for a standard tesla home charger. Tesla 3 pulls around 40 amps max from what I remember. You don't have to charge it all night/every night either if you are driving less than 250 miles a day
240V 90-100 amp is all you need for a standard tesla home charger. Tesla 3 pulls around 40 amps max from what I remember. You don't have to charge it all night/every night either if you are driving less than 250 miles a day How do the car owners know how many amps are being pulled?I think you are looking for an advice on the wrong forum . Check tesla forums or groups
Does the car display show this while charging?
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Many times yes, it depends on the model of the vehicle, most latest gen ones have all kinds of displays about that.
Other times the charger will tell you on the charger or the app
Or worse comes to worse, you take the time it took to charge by how much energy you got and do a manual calculation.
Fire still lit but stable on ship carrying luxury cars near Azores
The Felicity Ace, carrying around 4,000 vehicles including Porsches, Audis and Bentleys, some with lithium-ion batteries, caught fire on Wednesday last week.
www.autoblog.com Yeah… those EV’s have no footprint.
All those poor cows they gave their lives for Bentley interiors… the humanity!
Sirhr
The technology is improving at a very rapid rate and a lot of the problems with battery life and various dangers regarding the battery pack are getting rapidly improved.
At this point however I think it's safe to say that if you want a full EV, right now, you are best served by only doing so if you can buy a brand-new current year model and plan to trade it in before the end of the extended factory warranty you buy with it.
Or if you want to play around and see how they are and have a bit of disposable income, you can often get a high end used Tesla with a couple years of use and sub 30k miles or such for 60% of the original value. (The cheap ones you don't get much discount used, but you want a $120k model, good chance you can get it for $70k).
If you want a good education on the state of the latest models, and the latest charging stuff:
The 2023 models for most better brands are vastly different than the ones from 4 years ago.
Fire still lit but stable on ship carrying luxury cars near Azores
The Felicity Ace, carrying around 4,000 vehicles including Porsches, Audis and Bentleys, some with lithium-ion batteries, caught fire on Wednesday last week.
Yeah… those EV’s have no footprint.
All those poor cows they gave their lives for Bentley interiors… the humanity!
Sirhr
Yep, that was the end of that ship and cargo.
Hugely expensive ship and all those expensive cars all at the bottom of the ocean.
As crazy as that was, all the crew got off safely.
Now imagine the same thing happens on a big overnight passenger ferry that has all the cars below (like in common use in Europe) once it's filled with all the newly mandated EVs that everyone has to buy...
Might need to start designing new ferries with dump decks that if a fire gets out of control you can dump the entire car hold into the ocean quick.
However in fairness that's not only a problem with EVs
The English Channel Tunnel had a pretty scary crazy business when one of the car carrying trains (before the days of EVs) caught fire.
BUT as scary and dramatic as that all seems, more folks are killed each year by the lithium batteries in their Phones, Laptops or Vape Pens blowing up...
EVs make the headlines because it's pretty much just watch them burn out, but statistically your phone will be what kills you from going boom...
Tesla people are the best read people in the world.
Every Friday night I drive by a “quick” charge station and there are two three vehicles charging with peeps reading books.
Me….I have better things to do than be charging my transpiration for half an hour.
My reading is done at home.
Every Friday night I drive by a “quick” charge station and there are two three vehicles charging with peeps reading books.
Me….I have better things to do than be charging my transpiration for half an hour.
My reading is done at home.
Those are the new mugging stations. Thugs have figured out where all the rich/white/dumb people are stranded for long periods of time.
I’d like to buy the video rights to that one.
22kV (or more) is going to make an interesting crispy critter.
This is very rough, Damn
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