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Turning Savage 112 338LM to 33XC

That was one of the requirements to be ko2m compliant for the longest time spearpoint was not moving their targets in my understanding is once they did start moving the targets they only moved them just a few feet basically not much change at all. None of that really matters he did a good job and won the match the question is will we see this consistently from this individual if the platform and the person is competitive for hops we will see this again
So tell me which range where they shoot 1500 yards to 3500 yards and they have LA n d to move the targets in any direction where you won't ever shoot the same known or almost known distance is.
I want to go with you to shoot there.I love competition. Mainly it's me against me.But I like to shoot with/against the best.
Just let me know.Time and money us nit a problem at this point in my life.
 
Im about to build one..But cant decide which route.. Either 112 because of bigger action or the route my friend and shooting partner Rodeohas .His 33XC is built off of a Savage Elite 110. I will say this. He won a match in ELR at Spearpoint Ranch,KS in the Light guns and against Heavy guns..And the next match he came in 2nd. His is built with a Shouldered Barrel and not the Savage nut.
My thinking is purely money wise..The 112 Target comes in a Wooden stock.The 110 Elite in a aluminum MDT Chassis which is what I already shoot in my 300 PRC.. and I absolutely love it.So if I buy the 112 I have to spend another 1500 to get the stock. And the 110 338 LM come with it. So my buddy is winning with his so if someone has negatives I just say his works great.
I see. The 3 shot match isn’t the same as a regular match. And most of the good shooters didn’t shoot that match. Not to say, going 3 for 3 at the 2900 target at Spearpoint is easy, by any stretch.

I’m a little confused though from this post. Here your say your thinking is purely money wise. But now you’re saying money is nothing to you.

My questioning you was based on my knowing and shooting with most all of the good shooters are Spearpoint. I would have know, had a light gun won one of their real matches. I haven’t laid much attention to the rookie matches or the 3 shot deal. Look how Ron placed in August. That was a main match with a good number of the good shooters that shoot there. That is a more typical placement.
 
Mainly because since May I've spent around $60k or more on guns and my CPA fused at me alittle.I just built two 6GT,'s A 300 PRC, a 6.5PRC,A 6mmARC And last c week bought a n ew 375 Cheytac.All have scopes costs 2,000. Each with rings.Just trying to decide if I want to build a 33xc on a Savage or Stiller or both
 
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Mainly because since May I've spent around $60k or more on guns and my CPA fused at me alittle.I just built two 6GT,'s A 300 PRC, a 6.5PRC,A 6mmARC And last c week bought a n ew 375 Cheytac.All have scopes costs 2,000. Each with rings.Just trying to decide if I want to build a 33xc on a Savage or Stiller or both
It's really simple if you want to get the most out of your 33/37xc then do not use a 1.350 OD action the brand is irrelevant you need an action that is at least 1.450 OD and preferably a Tenon that is at least 1.187 or larger a smart guy would use a Pierce 10x or a comparable action for the XC build cuz that way when you want to upgrade you will already have the action. Now to answer your question about moving the target location from match to match. Spearpoint is the only match where the longest time they were not moving their targets from match to match so if you shot this month next month the targets would pretty much be in the exact same location. My understanding is now they are moving them a few feet but not really enough to make a difference but just be compliant. All of the other matches that I am aware of the match director is moving the targets anywhere from 20 to 40 plus yards compared to their previous match
 
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After my .338 Lapua factory barrel died I built my 33XC on my Savage 112 action. It can hold its own against anything out there.


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It's really simple if you want to get the most out of your 33/37xc then do not use a 1.350 OD action the brand is irrelevant you need an action that is at least 1.450 OD and preferably a Tenon that is at least 1.187 or larger a smart guy would use a Pierce 10x or a comparable action for the XC build cuz that way when you want to upgrade you will already have the action. Now to answer your question about moving the target location from match to match. Spearpoint is the only match where the longest time they were not moving their targets from match to match so if you shot this month next month the targets would pretty much be in the exact same location. My understanding is now they are moving them a few feet but not really enough to make a difference but just be compliant. All of the other matches that I am aware of the match director is moving the targets anywhere from 20 to 40 plus yards compared to their previous match
If you shot enough matches you would realize moving the targets 30yards is irrelevant at those distances. Your data is never the same even throughout the day and the wind is the major factor anyways. You can continue to just complain from the sidelines though it’s always entertaining.
 
If you shot enough matches you would realize moving the targets 30yards is irrelevant at those distances. Your data is never the same even throughout the day and the wind is the major factor anyways. You can continue to just complain from the sidelines though it’s always entertaining.
Its not me complaining its the ruling that ko2m set into place for their stupid make no sense ranking system i could care less.
 
Shooting targets the exact same yardage at ELR distances has almost zero effect as conditions are constantly changing drastically. You statements below indicate you do think it’s a problem. Again more expertise from someone that doesn’t compete.

“they are moving them a few feet but not really enough to make a difference”

“Going to the same match shooting at the same targets at the same distance match after match does not make you a great contender”
 
That was one of the requirements to be ko2m compliant for the longest time spearpoint was not moving their targets in my understanding is once they did start moving the targets they only moved them just a few feet basically not much change at all. None of that really matters he did a good job and won the match the question is will we see this consistently from this individual if the platform and the person is competitive for hops we will see this again
Are shooting at King of 2 Mile this year? You sound like you have a lot of knowledge about these places we shoot at. When was the last match you shot at Spearpoint ? and the Whittington Center in Raton,NM ? I've not been to the Center in several years .
 
Are shooting at King of 2 Mile this year? You sound like you have a lot of knowledge about these places we shoot at. When was the last match you shot at Spearpoint ? and the Whittington Center in Raton,NM ? I've not been to the Center in several years .
He has shot one match in the years of providing his “expert” opinions.
 
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He has shot one match in the years of providing his “expert” opinion.
If you shot enough matches you would realize moving the targets 30yards is irrelevant at those distances. Your data is never the same even throughout the day and the wind is the major factor anyways. You can continue to just complain from the sidelines though it’s always entertaining.
Well said NightStash
 
Well said NightStash
Here is my Heavy gun.Its a 375 Cheytac on a Stiller Tac Driver 408 1.6
In a McKees Precision Chassis with a K&P Barrel 1n7 twist to shoot the 427 grain Cutting-edge solid.Has a 50 MOA Rail and Athlon Cronus BTR Gen 2
4.5-30×56 FFP Mil/Mil.
 

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I gave the information southpaw was asking on the post about building on a specific action. Have been a custom rifle builder for 28 years been shooting elr distances for over 20 years my advise is valid and sound my openions hold value even if you guys dont think so. and if you are not intrested in them thats fine . SHANE always feels good about him self when he tries to make me look bad. But thats ok. I am just supprised george would agree to build a xc on a savage action . When evey custom action manufactor and every component builder would agree its not the best idea . But dont listen to me i dont shoot at elr matches.
 
I gave the information southpaw was asking on the post about building on a specific action. Have been a custom rifle builder for 28 years been shooting elr distances for over 20 years my advise is valid and sound my openions hold value even if you guys dont think so. and if you are not intrested in them thats fine . SHANE always feels good about him self when he tries to make me look bad. But thats ok. I am just supprised george would agree to build a xc on a savage action . When evey custom action manufactor and every component builder would agree its not the best idea . But dont listen to me i dont shoot at elr matches.
I’m not going to compare my 112 to a custom action but if I thought it would be an issue I would replace it. It’s something I already owned and didn’t want to just toss it out. It has proved more than capable for what I have needed.
 
I see. The 3 shot match isn’t the same as a regular match. And most of the good shooters didn’t shoot that match. Not to say, going 3 for 3 at the 2900 target at Spearpoint is easy, by any stretch.

I’m a little confused though from this post. Here your say your thinking is purely money wise. But now you’re saying money is nothing to you.

My questioning you was based on my knowing and shooting with most all of the good shooters are Spearpoint. I would have know, had a light gun won one of their real matches. I haven’t laid much attention to the rookie matches or the 3 shot deal. Look how Ron placed in August. That was a main match with a good number of the good shooters that shoot there. That is a more typical placeme

I’m not going to compare my 112 to a custom action but if I thought it would be an issue I would replace it. It’s something I already owned and didn’t want to just toss it out. It has proved more than capable for what I have needed.
Ive seen 7 or 8 in Savage Action in 33XC which DOMINATED the match numbers as the top light gun caliber.Ive got a list of every shooter and which rifle they shot and everything about it.Fot this other guy bto claim its no good there sure are alot of them out there,and winning. Why allof the negativity about it is crazy.And one guy on here claims to be a 28year custom rifle builder..So how many top shooters at these ELR matches are shooting his rifles there.?
 
I’m not going to compare my 112 to a custom action but if I thought it would be an issue I would replace it. It’s something I already owned and didn’t want to just toss it out. It has proved more than capable for what I have needed.
And i understand and appreciate that like i said it will work. Have a great life
 
Ive seen 7 or 8 in Savage Action in 33XC which DOMINATED the match numbers as the top light gun caliber.Ive got a list of every shooter and which rifle they shot and everything about it.Fot this other guy bto claim its no good there sure are alot of them out there,and winning. Why allof the negativity about it is crazy.And one guy on here claims to be a 28year custom rifle builder..So how many top shooters at these ELR matches are shooting his rifles there.?
So dont take my word for it . Call and ask robert vestal or jim borden or john pierce or ryan pierce and ask them if its a great idea . I retired from gunsmithing about the time that elr took off. I only build components now. so have a good night. And dont listen to me any more.
 
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How about an equipment list from ko1m. I feel your having selective listening. No one says it can’t be done and made to work. There are better options. I’ve put a improved Cheytac sized chamber on one and made it work just fine. (After it rattled everyone single fastener loose at one time or another) But if I were like you, and money didn’t matter, there’s no way it would be my action of choice.
 
I have a 33XC built on a .338 Lapua Savage 112 single shot action. On barrel #3 and I will say that I think it pressures out a little early, they all have. If I wanted to truly maximize an XC chambering’s potential I’d go with a beefier action. Mine has a 28” carbon barrel and is built for carry. I am currently running a 300 grain Berger at a mild-ish 2950 fps with great precision.
 
I have a 33XC built on a .338 Lapua Savage 112 single shot action. On barrel #3 and I will say that I think it pressures out a little early, they all have. If I wanted to truly maximize an XC chambering’s potential I’d go with a beefier action. Mine has a 28” carbon barrel and is built for carry. I am currently running a 300 grain Berger at a mild-ish 2950 fps with great precision.
There is almost always a bigger better and usually much more exspensive way to build a rifle. It usually comes down to about 3 things.. #1 The Budget... the Weight...or lack of. #3 And intended use of this rifle.
Is the Savage 112 BA Action the best choice? Probably not.... But will it work safely?? Yes..Both the Savage 110 Elite & the Savage 112 BA has proven that it will work quite well shooting the 33XC.
 
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Yeah my Snipetac was a substantial expense.
I will say this about the Savage, be careful of lug setback!
Every thing that savage does during the manufactoring prosess is to reduce expense. Larger prophet margin and to pass a miniscule sayings to the customer. During that prosess sale a bill of goods that a nut and floating bolt head is better. When it violates all basic principles of high end quality manufactoring and engerneering. And guys love the flavor of their koolaid. Can the savage be modified to be safe with cases like the lapua or xc. Yes marginally
 
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Mine is 37XC
How do you like the 37XC. ? Do you shoot it in The King Of 2 Mile & King of 1 Mile competitions?
I see a ,ot of 33XCin the Light Gun Class. It dominates it.
But in the Heavy Gun Class I see more 375 Cheytac, 408Cheytac and 416 Stroker.
I wasjust wondwring how its working for you.
I was thinking about building one.I just built a 33XC for Light class.I was shooting a 300 PRC last year inmy first year (Actually only 6 months of competition.) I started in June. Thanks
 
How do you like the 37XC. ? Do you shoot it in The King Of 2 Mile & King of 1 Mile competitions?
I see a ,ot of 33XCin the Light Gun Class. It dominates it.
But in the Heavy Gun Class I see more 375 Cheytac, 408Cheytac and 416 Stroker.
I wasjust wondwring how its working for you.
I was thinking about building one.I just built a 33XC for Light class.I was shooting a 300 PRC last year inmy first year (Actually only 6 months of competition.) I started in June. Thanks
I liked it. I do not compete in k2m
 
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Thanks.I just put mne together.Its shooting really good with 285 gr ELD-Match and Hornady 300 gr ATips.Ive not tried the Beger or Cutting Edge Solidsyet.
Wha powders and bullets are you liking the best?I have a 30inch 1-9twist barrel in 1.20 Straight contour
 
Don’t forget the 265 from badlands. I won light gun at spear point with that bullet last time I shot light there
By far the best option for standard twist barrels. Very high realistic coefficiency top velocity, fabulous transition
 
Don’t forget the 265 from badlands. I won light gun at spear point with that bullet last time I shot light there
what speed were you running the Badlands and which powder? what twist barreldid you have?
 
That match I turned them down to make my wife’s 375 because they bc was very close and we could share wind. 3170 fps. Used h50 in an 8 twist
 
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I understand that. What speed did you normally run them at?
Are you and your wi\fe still shooting at Spearpoint?
 
Just shy of 3500.

We plan to sign up for at least march match there. Just Saturday for heavy class. Can’t really swing shooting light on Sunday and still get her hack to school on Monday
 
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Before I go and order my barrel and dies and such I was wanting feedback from others that have done this. I remember seeing pictures of this done, but can no longer find the thread.

Thanks
I have built 2 338 Lapuas on Savage LM actions.... DONT WASTE YOUR TIME in trying to make a 33 XC for ELR work.... EVERY savage action has BIG flaws when it comes to TRUE ELR work... 1. I have had the bolts come loose on the scope rails several times from recoil. 2. The bolt camming on cocking and firing is atrosious (This leads to incosistent bolt lock times and higher SD's from shot to shot) This can be addressed, but it will NEVER be as good as a moden purpose built 700 Clone action. 3. DONT use a barrel with a barel nut..... These cartridges create a LOT of force at high pressure and the thinner area of the chamber OUTSIDE of the receiver (especially in a very long 33 XC) can cause the chamber to swell resulting in at best swollen cases/stuck cases and at worst case/barrel ruptures....just DONT do it. IF you MUST use one shoulder a 1.350" diameter barrel just like a Remington 700.... Remeber there are reasons why soem things should not be attempted.
 
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Just because it’s not ideal, doesn’t mean it can’t be done or can’t be make to work.

Shot many xc savages, have you?
in the last couple years i have actually shot quite a fewSavages..Before then I none,.Growing upoSasvages and Mossbergs were so low end we never even consided ow ong one.I bought Remington,Winchester or Browning.Ive hadnothing but good results with the Savage 110 Elite and the two I12 33 Lm.I turned one to a 33XC..So far its workong out just a good as my opther 33XC built on a Stiller Action.Also built on a Stiller Predator action is my 30 Sherman magnum which was previously a 300 PRC. It doesnt shoot any better or any worse that my 300 Prc Savage 110. Somwhat have I gained or lost.The only differnce is one I built with a Left Hand Gain Twist barrel.
 
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I have built 2 338 Lapuas on Savage LM actions.... DONT WASTE YOUR TIME in trying to make a 33 XC for ELR work.... EVERY savage action has BIG flaws when it comes to TRUE ELR work... 1. I have had the bolts come loose on the scope rails several times from recoil. 2. The bolt camming on cocking and firing is atrosious (This leads to incosistent bolt lock times and higher SD's from shot to shot) This can be addressed, but it will NEVER be as good as a moden purpose built 700 Clone action. 3. DONT use a barrel with a barel nut..... These cartridges create a LOT of force at high pressure and the thinner area of the chamber OUTSIDE of the receiver (especially in a very long 33 XC) can cause the chamber to swell resulting in at best swollen cases/stuck cases and at worst case/barrel ruptures....just DONT do it. IF you MUST use one shoulder a 1.350" diameter barrel just like a Remington 700.... Remeber there are reasons why soem things should not be attempted.
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in the last couple years i have actually shot quite a fewSavages..Before then I none,.Growing upoSasvages and Mossbergs were so low end we never even consided ow ong one.I bought Remington,Winchester or Browning.Ive hadnothing but good results with the Savage 110 Elite and the two I12 33 Lm.I turned one to a 33XC..So far its workong out just a good as my opther 33XC built on a Stiller Action.Also built on a Stiller Predator action is my 30 Sherman magnum which was previously a 300 PRC. It doesnt shoot any better or any worse that my 300 Prc Savage 110. Somwhat have I gained or lost.The only differnce is one I built with a Left Hand Gain Twist barrel.
Curious did you use a barrel nut system, also note I didn’t say they wouldn’t work…I wouldn’t waste my time on one tho
 
Just because it’s not ideal, doesn’t mean it can’t be done or can’t be make to work.

Shot many xc savages, have you?
To answer your question No, but the engineer side of my brain says I don’t necessarily want too… I have built several savages for myself and customers. I didn’t realize this thread was over 2 years old before commenting. When I think ELR and building a purpose suited rifle to shoot past a mile or more a Savage is far from the top of the list….as I mentioned previously, can it be done? Yes is it going to be AS consistent or AS competitive when compared to the Pierce / Stillers / Cadex actions…. I highly doubt it. Have I built savages that shoot well? Yep recently built one for a customer Model 12 single shot dual port action in 6mm BRA. Had to do a lot of work to get the bolt timing back in order and the trigger to not fill like a ton of bricks. Compared to a BAT M or others…designed for the purpose one shouldn’t waste their time trying to make a Savage something it won’t ever be great at. So laugh all you want, don’t worry I won’t bother the high and mighty here with my opinions again.
 
To answer your question No, but the engineer side of my brain says I don’t necessarily want too… I have built several savages for myself and customers. I didn’t realize this thread was over 2 years old before commenting. When I think ELR and building a purpose suited rifle to shoot past a mile or more a Savage is far from the top of the list….as I mentioned previously, can it be done? Yes is it going to be AS consistent or AS competitive when compared to the Pierce / Stillers / Cadex actions…. I highly doubt it. Have I built savages that shoot well? Yep recently built one for a customer Model 12 single shot dual port action in 6mm BRA. Had to do a lot of work to get the bolt timing back in order and the trigger to not fill like a ton of bricks. Compared to a BAT M or others…designed for the purpose one shouldn’t waste their time trying to make a Savage something it won’t ever be great at. So laugh all you want, don’t worry I won’t bother the high and mighty here with my opinions again.
High and mighty? 😂 I will laugh at that!
 
I have built 2 338 Lapuas on Savage LM actions.... DONT WASTE YOUR TIME in trying to make a 33 XC for ELR work.... EVERY savage action has BIG flaws when it comes to TRUE ELR work... 1. I have had the bolts come loose on the scope rails several times from recoil. 2. The bolt camming on cocking and firing is atrosious (This leads to incosistent bolt lock times and higher SD's from shot to shot) This can be addressed, but it will NEVER be as good as a moden purpose built 700 Clone action. 3. DONT use a barrel with a barel nut..... These cartridges create a LOT of force at high pressure and the thinner area of the chamber OUTSIDE of the receiver (especially in a very long 33 XC) can cause the chamber to swell resulting in at best swollen cases/stuck cases and at worst case/barrel ruptures....just DONT do it. IF you MUST use one shoulder a 1.350" diameter barrel just like a Remington 700.... Remeber there are reasons why soem things should not be attempted.
Well I finished 5th in Ko1M this year using a Savage 112 single shot action chambered in 33XC. I dropped one shot the entire first day so definitely must have been holding me back 😂
 
Well I finished 5th in Ko1M this year using a Savage 112 single shot action chambered in 33XC. I dropped one shot the entire first day so definitely must have been holding me back 😂
Well good for you , why didnt you finish 1-4th? if were going to rate that as your performance matrix....Notice too YOUR using a 112 SINGLE SHOT, and I bet its in a very nice stock and uses a large diameter barrel. NOT APPLES TO APPLES comparison... What the individual origionaly was talking about was using a repeater 338 LM action for a 33XC ELR build...read my other replies on here...its not that I havent worked on Savages, there are just MUCH better options in my openion....
 
At 1st i thought you might be Shane untilyou said your wife needed to be back at school.His wife is a Phamacist and out of school.They live in KS.
I live in TX.Thanks for you time and amswers and help.I appreciate it.
 
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Well good for you , why didnt you finish 1-4th? if were going to rate that as your performance matrix....Notice too YOUR using a 112 SINGLE SHOT, and I bet its in a very nice stock and uses a large diameter barrel. NOT APPLES TO APPLES comparison... What the individual origionaly was talking about was using a repeater 338 LM action for a 33XC ELR build...read my other replies on here...its not that I havent worked on Savages, there are just MUCH better options in my openion....
Well they don’t make a 112 action that is a repeater only single shot so not sure what you are talking about. You have zero direct experience regarding the question asked giving opinions like fact. No one is arguing a custom action isn’t a nicer option but that wasn’t the question.