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Is Something Happening with Nord Stream 1 and 2 under the Baltic Sea?

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This has very serious implications for both the US and Europe irrespective of who or what is responsible. The US will be forced to increase exports of gas to Europe while in the meantime US policy is throttling energy production domestically. Be interesting to see what happens in the futures market today.
 
Who's to say it wasn't Russia? The line was already closed, now Russia can blame others for the gas being shut off. They can say they want to turn the pipes back on, but can't because they've been sabotaged. Pretty convenient if you ask me.
 
It's pretty obvious the USA / CIA did the blowing up of the pipelines as they are the only ones that would benefit from it.
They are also the ones with the tools to do so easily.

The Russians already turned them off and were going to use turning them on as negotiating chips in trying to get a peace deal kick started this winter.
The pipelines being blown up puts a serious blow to Russian hopes for a quicker negotiated end to the war.

The USA doesn't want any peace, the CIA wants a forever war to bleed out Russia and bring Europe back under USA control instead of trying to do their own thing like they have been.

The CIA / USA blowing up the pipelines make it all the more likely the war won't be able to come to a negotiated end anytime soon and will have to be fought until the CIA runs out of Ukrainians.

The Europeans wouldn't have done it as that was also their big hope as well as their negotiating ploy for getting Russia to agree to better terms quicker.

I guess all those Europeans should get ready to enjoy a long cold frozen winter courtesy of the CIA
And probably collapsed economies the following year as high energy prices make industry grind to a slow pace.
I wonder if the European people will enjoy the USA wanting to play imperialist overlord on them, because that's what's coming.

At the rate this is going, the CIA and our government here is pretty much going to guarantee WWIII kicks off because too many folks are going to refuse to roll over and be the new serfs to the CIA without first giving it their all. Nobody is talking about China but I'd suspect the Chinese are busy considering if WWIII might be their only way out.

Kind of shades of how the USA pressured Japan until Japan said fuck it, we are all in or bust and kicked WWII into overdrive.
 
Who's to say it wasn't Russia? The line was already closed, now Russia can blame others for the gas being shut off. They can say they want to turn the pipes back on, but can't because they've been sabotaged. Pretty convenient if you ask me.

VERY unlikely.

Turning back on the pipelines was Russia's big chip to use in trying to get a good deal on a negotiated end to the war as well as keeping their own economy going.
 
I know next to nothing about this, but the fact that they are under water sure seems to suggest it was a nation state that did it. Anyone know how deep these pipes are under water? Things are getting froggy.
 
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It's pretty obvious the USA / CIA did the blowing up of the pipelines as they are the only ones that would benefit from it.
They are also the ones with the tools to do so easily.

The Russians already turned them off and were going to use turning them on as negotiating chips in trying to get a peace deal kick started this winter.
The pipelines being blown up puts a serious blow to Russian hopes for a quicker negotiated end to the war.

The USA doesn't want any peace, the CIA wants a forever war to bleed out Russia and bring Europe back under USA control instead of trying to do their own thing like they have been.

The CIA / USA blowing up the pipelines make it all the more likely the war won't be able to come to a negotiated end anytime soon and will have to be fought until the CIA runs out of Ukrainians.

The Europeans wouldn't have done it as that was also their big hope as well as their negotiating ploy for getting Russia to agree to better terms quicker.

I guess all those Europeans should get ready to enjoy a long cold frozen winter courtesy of the CIA
And probably collapsed economies the following year as high energy prices make industry grind to a slow pace.
I wonder if the European people will enjoy the USA wanting to play imperialist overlord on them, because that's what's coming.

At the rate this is going, the CIA and our government here is pretty much going to guarantee WWIII kicks off because too many folks are going to refuse to roll over and be the new serfs to the CIA without first giving it their all. Nobody is talking about China but I'd suspect the Chinese are busy considering if WWIII might be their only way out.

Kind of shades of how the USA pressured Japan until Japan said fuck it, we are all in or bust and kicked WWII into overdrive.
Anyone with a patrol boat capable of dropping a depth charge and a lowrance fish finder could do it
 
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Well, they detected blasts underwater, and the water in those areas in in the 200+ meter depth range, so you can certainly rule out anything outside of a nation state supported group. I'm not going to speculate on who it was, we'll never find out because it was sanctioned by a country, rather than an act of sabotage from some independent person. Who has the ability to dive in 200M+ depths to place charges? I'm no submariner, and know nothing about torpedos, but perhaps one could be fitted to target a pipeline?

The only speculation, is I think it's either Poopypants ordered (well...they stuck his signature on it anyway) it, or Putin ordered it. W54's comment makes sense, and sounds plausible to me.

Some time back I remember listening to a video where somebody claimed that the US was baiting Russia into moving against a NATO nation in order to bring US troops into the region for a conventional war to distract Americans from inflation, the national debt, and all our problems at home. At first it seemed like that was way out there thinking....but it's starting to seem a little more plausible every day.

Branden

Edit: it's 200+ feet, I assumed the charts I looked at were in Meters, they're in feet depth. I don't feel like re-writing my whole post.
 
I know next to nothing about this, but the fact that they are under water sure seems to suggest it was a nation state that did it. Anyone know how deep these pipes are under water? Things are getting froggy.
I pulled up maritime navigational charts and they look to be 200+ meters depth in those areas.

Branden

Edit: I checked the map units again, it's actually feet, not meters.
 
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Thing to remember that salt water is displacing the gas which is bubbling up to the surface, Salt water is extremely corrosive and may render the pipeline permanently damaged. Hopefully this is not a Sarajevo event and tantamount to a declaration of war if carried out by a nation state.
 
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Thing to remember that salt water is displacing the gas which is bubbling up to the surface, Salt water is extremely corrosive and may render the pipeline permanently damaged. Hopefully this is not a Sarajevo event and tantamount to a declaration of war if carried out by a nation state.

Yeah that pipeline is going to have major damage, if its not completely fucked.
 
You don't even need to speculate whodunnit .

NS2 was not on line and NS1 was shut down so makes absolutely no sense for Russia to blow it up when it can just turn the tap on and off at will.Some one wanted to make damn sure that it can't open up.

Blowing up the pipelines Is a way to prevent EU from walking away from Ukrainian War , making a deal with Vlad to open the gas tap when things go to shit this winter. It also takes away Russian bargaining chip with EU , now any sizable flow of gas to EU more or less has to go through Ukraine.
 
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Thing to remember that salt water is displacing the gas which is bubbling up to the surface, Salt water is extremely corrosive and may render the pipeline permanently damaged. Hopefully this is not a Sarajevo event and tantamount to a declaration of war if carried out by a nation state.
Don’t know specs on those but in the US, the majority will be internally coated. Yes, there will be several miles of sea water that will have to be removed. It will take days to weeks to months to pig all the water out. It may take multiple pig runs to get it out. Then they may run “smart pigs” to check for anomalies. Sometimes takes weeks
To interpret the logs. Then it has to be dried to get the water vapor down to get it to usable spec for distribution systems.

But first it has to be repaired. That will be a major project in itself. Only 1 or 2 companies in the world that can do it.
 
Can we just get it started already? All of this secret squirrel back and forth proxy non-sense is tiresome. The US politicians should just add zeros to their bank accounts and bill the national debt, that's never getting paid off, and call it a day. Europe is going to freeze to death this winter and China will sell them a lifeline at the cost of their freedom. US is on the same path but it will take longer. Not much longer, but longer.

Let's play the National Anthem and wait for Big John McCarthy to whisper those famous words...

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Don’t know specs on those but in the US, the majority will be internally coated. Yes, there will be several miles of sea water that will have to be removed. It will take days to weeks to months to pig all the water out. It may take multiple pig runs to get it out. Then they may run “smart pigs” to check for anomalies. Sometimes takes weeks
To interpret the logs. Then it has to be dried to get the water vapor down to get it to usable spec for distribution systems.

But first it has to be repaired. That will be a major project in itself. Only 1 or 2 companies in the world that can do it.
True but also they will have to deal with all the sediment that was carried along with the water intrusion. Much more difficult to remove and far more damaging to the equipment which moves the gas. All of this to promote a proxy war with Russia.
 
looks like russians are blaming ukraine for the sabotage

 
So… Nordstream 2 had dirt on the Clintons?

Sirhr
Not just NS2 who ever did the demolition blew up 3 out of 4 pipes so both NS1 and NS2

And it seems its not the first try.

''In 2015 Pipeline Journal reported:
Swedish military has successfully cleared a remote operated vehicle (drone) rigged with explosives found near Line 2 of the Nord Stream Natural Gas offshore pipeline system.
The vehicle was discovered during a routine survey operation as part of the annual integrity assessment of the Nord Stream pipeline. Since it was within the Swedish Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) approximately 120 km away from the island of Gotland, the Swedes called on their armed forces to remove and ultimately disarm the object.
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The national identity of the drone has not been verified so far, as many countries use Unmanned Underwater Vehicles (UUVs) of a similar construction, [Jesper Stolpe, Swedish Armed Forces spokesman,] said.''


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