No not really. Not on the clock so whatever you talk about off the clock is not "coaching" which would be cheating.
Reading about how that type of cheating was discovered and handled makes me more interested in going to PRS matches in the future.
The windcalling is such a small part of the game. You could literally call corrections for every shooter and most still wouldnt clean any stages
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Long time USPSA RO Paul Hendrix caught doctoring shooter’s stage times, improved his friends’ stage times while adding time to other shooter’s scores. Paul Hendrix is a USPSA (United States Practical Shooting Association) Range Officer, and a competitor in the same sport. Before yesterday, no...
I RO'd an AG cup qualifier last year where people were coaching the shooter with Peyton Manning style calls. "Omaha" for come left for instance. I picked up pretty quick when I kept hearing the same people saying the same thing over and over. But if it was happening with me it was happening at every stage.
Impact of the overhead information means nothing in the principle of it. Cheating is cheating. Reminds me of a course I went to once. Instructions said, “this is an individual assessment, we want to see how YOU perform, at no point are you to talk to another candidate”. During one of the exercises, they had cadre walking in the opposite direction of movement just waiting for people to say turn around your going the wrong way. As soon as they did, that person was yanked and sent home. Amazing how interpretations of the “rules” lead to issues somewhere along the line isn’t it.
Are you saying that it's cheating to talk about the stage and wind calls off the clock?
Your post never said off the clock
That’s where the line is hazy it would seem. If the shooter overheard a conversation by accident then I could say no. If shooters were talking just loud enough for a buddy to hear, then sure. I guess the old saying of perception is reality comes to mind. Doesn’t really matter what I think, only what the match director or RO for they stage thinks.
Your interpretation was selection. Guess my interpretation of the rules about talking are spot on. It’s all in how the individual takes it
Fair enough. My input view was from an alternate reality where men are men and their word is what it is. I am aware of the issues in the comp world and looking out for “my buddy”. Sad to say it is a thing and so accepted, as long as the top shooters stay on top.
So you're assuming that MDs are 'out to get someone' when that person steps up to the firing line? I get it that there are probably some ROs or MDs out there like that, but I haven't met one yet.
Out to get is not maybe not what he was referring to. If you do some digging and reading, you will find many people that have had bad dealings with an RO and bending or flexing a stage, changing or allowing shooters to adapt the rules to their favor.
I'm sure it happens, I just haven't seen it. There are always 'those guys' that want to win at any cost. Happens in every competitive endeavor.
At least a half dozen of more threads here. Just search “bad ro at prs”, “bad ro prs”.
That’s the topic we are discussing I believe. What is considered cheating and what is not. Seems there is more than one opinion on that here in this thread.
I'd say you can game a stage without actually cheating, but I can see where you're coming from
Please, point out the PRS rule that states a shooter can't speak to another shooter behind the line on the clock about wind, stage strategy or the size of the shit he just took in porta-potty. Helpful hint, you'll be looking for a long time because it doesn't exist.
That’s the whole point of the last few posts. At what point is it considered cheating.
Do you even shoot 2 day PRS matches, or is this whining by someone who doesn’t even show up anyways?
sounds like what they're kvetching about is the subjectivity of what constitutes cheating
Ok so there is still plenty of room to decipher cheating and gaming. From the words of the HMFIC.
What constitutes cheating is breaking the rules. It's that simple.
That sounds like a self-defeating proposition.
No there isn't. If he used the wrong equipmwent then he gets a 0 for the stage. Simple. If the RO doesn;t have the nuts to do that then that is the problem. Cheating is breaking the rules.
