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Precision Rifle Gear The G2 Heathen with Integral Tuner

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    The G2 Heathen with Integral Tuner​

    With the Heritage of our proven 5 Port Original Heathen the NEW G2 features:

    50% increase in 1st port volume

    24 degree increase in upward angle cut-out of port window to reduce muzzle rise

    12% increase in "floor" or bride area on the bottom of the brake to reduce blast downward, decreasing ground and debris disturbance

    Front wall of the 1st port is angled at 22 degrees upward

    An included removable Brass Tuner

    This tuner excites me, lately, I have been asking all the top guys who use Tuners what their settings are, how much they needed to "tune," etc, and each one said not very much. In fact, the majority said their tuners were set to 0, and the addition of the tuner itself was enough to bring the load in line. To test this theory, I added a tuner to my Valkyrie, and sure enough, just adding it brought the load into tune.

    So when I saw Harley posted this, I had to talk to them as I love my Heathen Brakes, and use them a lot.


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    I mean how cool are these tuners according to Insite very little movement moves the node. Or you can decide you don't need to tune in order to use the brake so you can remove the weight.

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    That is indeed a cool method of utilizing a weight to tune rather than threads.

    I love the crowd that insists moving a weight on a barrel doesn't impact harmonics....lol
     
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    Tyler Kemp said:
    I love the crowd that insists moving a weight on a barrel doesn't impact harmonics....lol
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    I don't think anyone argues that. What isn't clear is how exactly a change in frequency/harmonics effects precision. No one at this time can definitively answer this.
     
    I love my Heathen brakes, Harley and crew do an excellent job with their products.

    While I'm not huge on tuners, I think this is a really cool way of going about the tuner/brake combo. I've never seen anything that approaches the concept in this manner.
     
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    Very cool concept.

    Weighs same as the .30 cal can I just bought. :)
     
    Haven't kept up on the tuner debate, but that does indeed look like a cool way of implementing it. And, I bet that brass has a nice patina after about 1000 rounds. :)
     
    And even if you aren't into tuners, apparently this new brake is even more effective at mitigating gas back at the shooter, while still being just as effective at mitigating recoil.

    I haven't had the opportunity to use this specific brake of theirs yet, but just the above aspect is interesting enough for me to want to try.
     
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    Cascade Hemi said:
    What keeps the weight from sliding forward under recoil?
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    I was thinking the same thing. Can also see the brass weight catching when pulling the gun back out of a window or something when moving quickly and possibly moving the setting.
     
    Waiting for mine to arrive, going to try it out on my .300NM, and probably my 6.5 Creedmoor hunting barrel with factory ammo.
     
    kthomas said:
    Waiting for mine to arrive, going to try it out on my .300NM, and probably my 6.5 Creedmoor hunting barrel with factory ammo.
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    I've got one for a 6mm comp gun but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. I'll probably get one for my .300NM as well. Will be cool to compare it to the Gen 1 5-port that's currently on it.
     
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    I recently got one to try out. Need to make it to the range to try it out.

    Will probably try it out on my .300NM.
     
    I’ve been running a G2 on my 6.5 coyote gun for the last month or so. there is more recoil reduction, or at least less muzzle rise, than the 4 port Gen1 Heathen I was running before.
    I haven’t played with the tuner yet though.
     
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    I've got one on one of my 6mm comp guns but I've only put a few rounds through it so far as it was crazy cold when I last took it to the range. I didn't have the tuner on as I wanted to see how it would affect group size going from a 4-port gen 1 Heathen to the gen 2. There was no change in precision. Interestingly, poi only shifted 0.1 (up) when I moved the barrelled action from an ACC Premier into an ACC Elite and swapped the gen 1 Heathen for the gen 2. I'm hoping to have a couple more gen 2s (for a .308, 6.5 and .300NM) shortly and will get some more time on them.
     
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    Just got mine today and it’s a beast. I’m more concerned with recoil and muzzle rise reduction than the tuner. Honestly I’ll probably remove the brass weight.
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    Worth it to give this one a shot. My gen 1 5 port heathen was the best brake out of everything I’ve tried. Even over a fat bastard.
     
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    Angled ports are not new. Self timing is not new. Brakes with tuners are not new. The overall package is awesome. Props to them for this overall package. Really well done.

    Modern take on existing ideas.. I love it
     
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    Any more feedback on this brake? I have the original Heathen and have been very happy with it. Thinking about picking one of these up if the performance is noticeably better while still mitigating blast to the shooter.
     
    Chesapeake said:
    Any more feedback on this brake? I have the original Heathen and have been very happy with it. Thinking about picking one of these up if the performance is noticeably better while still mitigating blast to the shooter.
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    I've been running a G2 Heathen on my 12 lb 6.5 creed all winter for coyote hunting. I can honestly say that I've never watched trace better, even compared my match rifle and a Gen 1 Heathen.

    Blast to the shooter is the same as the G1, which is negligible.
     
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    Any updates from folks who have used the weight to tune? Curious if they have a recommended procedure like the EC Tuner does to find the node
     
    I shot the gen 1 for years and liked it because it’s good at reducing recoil with no blast back to the shooter.

    The gen 2 improves on it. I’ve got a couple 5 ports and I find there’s a lot less muzzle rise than the gen 1 and again, no blast back to the shooter. I see more trace with the gen 2 than I’ve seen with any other brake.
    The tuner itself is innovative and simple to adjust. Whether you believe in tuners or not, it’s nice to have. Just don’t overtighten the set screws. 15 in.lbs is plenty.

    With a $90 price reduction, it’s probably the least expensive brake on the market and it performs awesome.

    I shot probably 1500 rounds of Dasher and Creed through my Gen 2’s this year.
     
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    While the original EC tuner brake had far too small tuner weight new model seems to have rectified that.

    Heathen G2 looks interesting but , no mater which way you look at it its not a way you would want to have the tuner weight work with linear adjustment and grub screws, besides adjustments being coarse, the grub screw fix is asking for trouble in such an application.
    With typically threaded tuner grub screws carry minimal loads here its all in
     
    Mr.BR said:
    While the original EC tuner brake had far too small tuner weight new model seems to have rectified that.

    Heathen G2 looks interesting but , no mater which way you look at it its not a way you would want to have the tuner weight work with linear adjustment and grub screws, besides adjustments being coarse, the grub screw fix is asking for trouble in such an application.
    With typically threaded tuner grub screws carry minimal loads here its all in
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    If your main focus for a brake is the tuner aspect, then I would say this isn't the logical top choice.

    If you're a "set it and forget it" kind of person, or don't really care too much about constantly chasing a tune, then this brake starts to make more sense.
     
    I Will agree with @kthomas . If you want a brake, but think "what are these tuner things about" its a great product idea.

    As for @Mr.BR 's comment about "not matter how you look at it, its not how you want one to work".. have you tried it ? Do you think they would push out a sub-par product for the sake of making a few bucks ?
    I think its this outside the box thinking which pushes new angles of development.
    Yes i agree the tuner aspect may not be optimal, but i bet it works.
     
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    iceng said:
    I Will agree with @kthomas . If you want a brake, but think "what are these tuner things about" its a great product idea.

    As for @Mr.BR 's comment about "not matter how you look at it, its not how you want one to work".. have you tried it ? Do you think they would push out a sub-par product for the sake of making a few bucks ?
    I think its this outside the box thinking which pushes new angles of development.
    Yes i agree the tuner aspect may not be optimal, but i bet it works.
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    Sometimes the idea that is out of the box turns out impractical, and this one looks like one of them.

    For sake of argument ,tuners work by shifting weight forward and back so any method of doing that works ,with a threaded weight the adjustment can be infinitely fine or coarse, what ever you want. Its also well supported for recoil. With linear aproach and grub screws like on this one you are more or less limited to coarse halfass repeatable adjustment and grub screw support is somewhat limited , if the weight would clamp you could probably get away with more but grub screw not. Lets just say i wouldn't bet on this becoming a way to do tuners.


    Have been using and making tuners for almost a decade now so have tiny bit of experience with them, linear rail with grub screws is not one i would want .

    * i am a set and forget type have tuners set once and leave it alone for whole season .
     
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    Mr.BR said:
    Sometimes the idea that is out of the box turns out impractical, and this one looks like one of them.

    For sake of argument ,tuners work by shifting weight forward and back so any method of doing that works ,with a threaded weight the adjustment can be infinitely fine or coarse, what ever you want. Its also well supported for recoil. With linear aproach and grub screws like on this one you are more or less limited to coarse halfass repeatable adjustment and grub screw support is somewhat limited , if the weight would clamp you could probably get away with more but grub screw not. Lets just say i wouldn't bet on this becoming a way to do tuners.


    Have been using and making tuners for almost a decade now so have tiny bit of experience with them, linear rail with grub screws is not one i would want .

    * i am a set and forget type have tuners set once and leave it alone for whole season .
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    Yeah, you're not going to get finite adjustments with this specific tuner. And probably not in the best location if you want to tinker.
     
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