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Maggot

Maggot

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    I try to buy USA as much as I can. Oakley does still make a few of the models here, it's just the bare minimum here to satisfy the DoD. Many of those on the list posted make stuff in China. Guerilla glue super glue is made in China.
     
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    It can be tough to figure out where stuff's made.

    I wish a more complete list existed with all of the exceptions (like this one does for Martins where they say that some models are made in Mexico, for example).

    If you could get me said list by 8AM Monday morning that would be great. Shall I hold my breath?

    In the meantime, just in case you're not timely with your assignment, maybe I'll pick up a few Zippos for some friends...

    Your list is helpful and much appreciated.
     
    Ordered my first red dot last night, I'll give it a shot on my carry rig.

    Went with the Sig Romeo 2 that notes it is made here in the USA... circle dot reticle and I'm excited to try it out as just the circle.

    Also ordered the parts to make over the gun in a big way, 3.6" slide, DPM recoil system, Parker Mountain Machine barrel and micro comp. Don't know that any of that is China, maybe some of the slide internals...

    Anyways:
    So my Wilson Combat P320 carry I've spent $2500 + on, now will be over $3500 and the only thing Wilson Combat about it is the polished FCU parts...

    I'm smart.
     
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    Couldn't care less where stuff I buy is made. All that matters is it does the job. Even I'm not autistic enough to do research to find out exactly where the products I buy are made/manufactured at. So long as a product is being used by an America, it is an American product. Period. Therefore all I own is American products. :cool:
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    Want a American made car, buy a Mercedes SUV or C class car. lol
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    Like most stuff made in the USA, it’s made in the USA using “global” materials. Unfortunately, much of the made is USA stuff has gone down hill as the quality and attention to detail is not what it used to be.
     
    Bought a Goya 12-string Dreadnought guitar with my first Bell System paycheck in 1964, made at the time in Sweden. My Granddaughter still plays it. Goya got bought out by Martin some years later, and they're still making guitars here in the USA. I paid About $250 for it brand new. Martin makes a D28-12 that is as close as I can find to it, costing $3499.

    Glad that original Goya is still in the family.

    Greg
     
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    Hairball said:
    Like most stuff made in the USA, it’s made in the USA using “global” materials. Unfortunately, much of the made is USA stuff has gone down hill as the quality and attention to detail is not what it used to be.
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    And a lot of the reason materials are made “not on usa” is because of waste and processing chemicals.

    Where we have to have waste carted away at different prices per pound and different processing fees, other countries just dump it in the ground like we did in 1950.

    Now we can say, screw the regulations and do the same but then we poison the drinking water like we had..where countries like china just don’t care about that.

    And if people drink water with heavy metals in it, the state just lies about the test results.
     
    brianf said:
    And a lot of the reason materials are made “not on usa” is because of waste and processing chemicals.

    Where we have to have waste carted away at different prices per pound and different processing fees, other countries just dump it in the ground like we did in 1950.

    Now we can say, screw the regulations and do the same but then we poison the drinking water like we had..where countries like china just don’t care about that.

    And if people drink water with heavy metals in it, the state just lies about the test results.
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    Killing commies with heavy metal pollution is so passive aggressive, it is about the most American thing one can do.

    “Buy ‘Made in China.’ It’s not exactly throwing them out of a helicopter, but it gets the job done…”
     
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    Greg Langelius * said:
    Bought a Goya 12-string Dreadnought guitar with my first Bell System paycheck in 1964, made at the time in Sweden. My Granddaughter still plays it. Goya got bought out by Martin some years later, and they're still making guitars here in the USA. I paid About $250 or it brand new. Martin makes a D28-12 that is as close as I can find to it, costing $3499.

    Glad that original Goya is still in the family.

    Greg
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    Ive owned several Martin guitars. A D28, HD28, and D35. Of the lot the HD was my favorite. I paid $1700 for it at Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center, Chuck himself brought it out. Now they sell for about double that.

    As an aside, I went back stage for a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young show and David Crosby had a rack of guitars with about 6 D45's and several others.
     
    Hairball said:
    Like most stuff made in the USA, it’s made in the USA using “global” materials. Unfortunately, much of the made is USA stuff has gone down hill as the quality and attention to detail is not what it used to be.
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    Whats stupid is outsourcing critical stuff like medicines, and comm's to your enemy. We should let them build out naval fleet.

    Fucking DOH!
     
    I got my D28 right around 2000 for about $1500 out the door. I liked the HD28s but worried how well they'd hold up with scalloped bracing.

    But yeah, my D28 (and the '30s'40s Frankenstein Gibson A50 mando and the Upton bass etc...) are all proudly made in the US!

    One good thing about quality instruments is that quality craftsmen will keep working on them. Around here they're picky (ahem) about what they work on.
     
    🚨 Humble Brag Alert 🚨

    One of the key considerations for purchasing my wife’s current whip was that it’s made in the USA…well, assembled here anyway.

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    91Eunozs said:
    🚨 Humble Brag Alert 🚨

    One of the key considerations for purchasing my wife’s current whip was that it’s made in the USA…well, assembled here anyway.

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    Yup. Kinda.

    I have 5 Chevys outside right now. 2 were built in Canada, 3 in Michigan.

    Using Mexican, Canadian, and Chinese parts.


    Real sad when Toyota is about the most made in America truck, and they still haven't figured out how to make a proper work truck. 3000lb payload capacity, 20k + trailering capacity, with a crew cab and an 8' bed is all I'm asking for.

    And before anyone says it, tundras have trouble carrying their rated payload without the bump stops. I need to damn near double the payload on my 3500 to hit the bumps. Meaning I can actually comfortably drive it 75 down the interstate fully loaded without ever touching the stops. Tundras are flat sketchy and limited to 3rd world speeds when you load them like they end up in the 3rd world.
     
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    Maggot said:
    Ive owned several Martin guitars. A D28, HD28, and D35. Of the lot the HD was my favorite. I paid $1700 for it at Chuck Levin's Washington Music Center, Chuck himself brought it out. Now they sell for about double that.

    As an aside, I went back stage for a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young show and David Crosby had a rack of guitars with about 6 D45's and several others.
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    You can be anyone you want to be on the internet . Why choose to be a liar ?
     
    Maser said:
    Couldn't care less where stuff I buy is made. All that matters is it does the job. Even I'm not autistic enough to do research to find out exactly where the products I buy are made/manufactured at. So long as a product is being used by an America, it is an American product. Period. Therefore all I own is American products. :cool:
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    Spoken like a true commie lover.
     
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    brianf said:
    And a lot of the reason materials are made “not on usa” is because of waste and processing chemicals.

    Where we have to have waste carted away at different prices per pound and different processing fees, other countries just dump it in the ground like we did in 1950.

    Now we can say, screw the regulations and do the same but then we poison the drinking water like we had..where countries like china just don’t care about that.

    And if people drink water with heavy metals in it, the state just lies about the test results.
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    That’s why we shouldn’t allow goods to come into the USA if manufactured that way.

    Isn’t it one earth?

    Apply a tariff equal to the cost of the regulations our businesses are forced to pay.

    If slave labor and pollution are prevented here they should not be allowed elsewhere.
     
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    That’s why we shouldn’t allow goods to come into the USA if manufactured that way.

    Isn’t it one earth?

    Apply a tariff equal to the cost of the regulations out businesses are forced to pay.

    If slave labor and pollution are prevented here they should not be allowed elsewhere.
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    It appears the 'Elite' are working to reinstate slave labor here, but your point is right on. Tax it heavily or better yet just move manufacturing to places like Mexico or Central America.
     
    Hairball said:
    Like most stuff made in the USA, it’s made in the USA using “global” materials. Unfortunately, much of the made is USA stuff has gone down hill as the quality and attention to detail is not what it used to be.
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    True. Unfortunately American's are not being "educated" as to the quality of the base material. This is across the board for every item an American uses, consumes or eats. Europeans and Japanese are much more quality conscious than American's. "Certified Organic" means much more in other cultures and they devote the resources to track down and certify how food is grown when it is imported to their country. Here in America there are manufacturer's with the worlds best quality CNC equipment. Unfortunately the base material they are using is not up to the standards America produced 75 years ago. The Chinese have 5,000 years of experience at cheating.

    A simple example:
    American's pay more for a loaf of bread than any other country in the world. How many know what the ingredients are and where they originated ?
     
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    Happy with made in USA from small manufacturers who are quality focused. Small shop firearm and firearms accessory manufacturers should be a case study in how to make excellent products at competitive prices in a relatively flat organization.

    For industrial stuff I prefer Europe or Japan. Germany and Japan still make a lot of stuff that USA sent to china 20 years ago. Japan is obsessive about buying stuff made in Japan and so all of their large manufacturers make made in Japan equipment from hand drills on up. Germany is similar but they have succumb to outsourcing in many cases. I was still able to buy an impact driver and battery powered drill made in Germany.

    The US trains the middle market consumer to look at cost first closely followed by convenience. The high end consumer is still very selective.
     
    pmclaine said:
    That’s why we shouldn’t allow goods to come into the USA if manufactured that way.

    Isn’t it one earth?

    Apply a tariff equal to the cost of the regulations our businesses are forced to pay.

    If slave labor and pollution are prevented here they should not be allowed elsewhere.
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    People have been saying that since the mid 90’s.

    Problem is until the population will vote for 15$ pancake mix it’s never going to happen.

    We just saw that in heavy crime cities tne generic population still voted for leaders that are easy on crime.

    Tell the average person in the Midwest that their pick-up truck used for work will cost 30% more because of materials …and we’ll see how fast people care about made in usa.

    The made in USA brand is only a viable option because of the cheap overseas products. If fertilizer etc was only made in the US or tariffed like it “should” be everything would be “made in usa” …lettuce just went up X % retail or profits just went down x%.

    No one would “make lettuce” anymore, they would plant or mfg a more profitable product.

    It’s a very large slow moving catch 22 that the average citizen has to bear the pain of, waiting for a better tomorrow.
     
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    People have been saying that since the mid 90’s.

    Problem is until the population will vote for 15$ pancake mix it’s never going to happen.

    We just saw that in heavy crime cities tne generic population still voted for leaders that are easy on crime.

    Tell the average person in the Midwest that their pick-up truck used for work will cost 30% more because of materials …and we’ll see how fast people care about made in usa.

    The made in USA brand is only a viable option because of the cheap overseas products. If fertilizer etc was only made in the US or tariffed like it “should” be everything would be “made in usa” …lettuce just went up X % retail or profits just went down x%.

    No one would “make lettuce” anymore, they would plant or mfg a more profitable product.

    It’s a very large slow moving catch 22 that the average citizen has to bear the pain of, waiting for a better tomorrow.
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    The only reason it's $15 pancake mix is because we have politicians that have decided inflation is great for reducing debt.

    Before that change pancake mix was probably $0.50.
     
    pmclaine said:
    The only reason it's $15 pancake mix is because we have politicians that have decided inflation is great for reducing debt.

    Before that change pancake mix was probably $0.50.
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    Not inflation, inflation is just the latest helper

    Wages go up
    Utilities go up
    Pensions go up
    Markets in other countries increase prices

    Inflation is just poor balancing of a checkbook, COGS is ever rising
     
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    Smaller scale, but I remember Trumps tariffs were going to cause massive inflation. That didn't happen. When the communists that were claiming that got into power they didn't manage to cause massive inflation by reducing US energy production. Some fertilizers are produced here and seems they are competitive. It would probably hurt some long lost cousins of h kissinger, but might increase the wealth of real Americans.
     
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    Not inflation, inflation is just the latest helper

    Wages go up
    Utilities go up
    Pensions go up
    Markets in other countries increase prices

    Inflation is just poor balancing of a checkbook, COGS is ever rising
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    Nah the pressure is to produce more for less.

    Sure part of that increases profit margin and doesn't get seen at the cash register but it was once upon a time New, improved and at a better price.

    Now it's decrease serving size and maintain the high price.

    2008 was when they stopped pretending economics mattered and it was proven that the economy is for certain people to bleed dry.
     
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    Nah the pressure is to produce more for less.

    Sure part of that increases profit margin and doesn't get seen at the cash register but it was once upon a time New, improved and at a better price.

    Now it's decrease serving size and maintain the high price.

    2008 was when they stopped pretending economics mattered and it was proven that the economy is for certain people to bleed dry.
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    not entirely

    as a manufacturer on top of wanting to make more money via lowering expenses, a main driver of efficiency is to keep business

    people truthfully do not realize how hard it is to keep sales, and not only keep sales but keep the right mixture of sales for the company to have a path forward

    as COGS go up there are many products that will just not handle the price increase in the market, so its either:

    loose the business because of a higher quote given to customer
    or many times the customer sales just tail off because they are out of the proper price structure for a product range

    if real eggs doubled in price but "egg beaters" remained the same...no one would buy whole eggs unless necessary

    so the chicken/egg farm must become more efficient in operating expenses as the feed/COGS is ever increasing

    now people say "well the egg farm should see it coming and be agile enough in their business model, so they should start selling product to egg beater"...easier said than done

    when selling you are not selling a product you are taking their money that they do not want to give you...in turn for a product

    i actually dont think the economy is being used differently than before, i think peoples expectations and quality of life is unrealistic

    if there is demand for cell phones then a manufacturer will create the product as a certain price with certain features

    its not the manufacturers fault that people waste money on grub hub, and streaming services rather than cook at home and get rabbit ears on the the TV

    personally i think quality of life/ what we consider "poor" has changed from when i was young and im not a boomer which has caused ripple effects

    i knew many people that were really dirt poor, now i know many couples that make minimum wage and both have iphones...thats the real problem
     
    cas6969 said:
    Buy Made In America!

    Keep robots and central Americans employed! ;)
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    that was the plan with NAFTA

    central america was supposed to be the "china" of the western hemisphere

    initial quality wasn't up to snuff, which could be imagined as growing pains are expected

    but the unexpected path was the central american governments allowed wages to rise quicker (in more skilled positions) than the NAFTA deal anticipated

    so the labor that was supposed to be cheap wasnt as cheap, and the quality that was supposed to be better wasnt better
     
    In retrospect it's a shame it didn't work out, being the lesser of two evils. We wouldn't have been sending as much money to our enemy, and it would have at least kept some of them that are here, there.
     
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    In retrospect it's a shame it didn't work out, being the lesser of two evils. We wouldn't have been sending as much money to our enemy, and it would have at least kept some of them that are here, there.
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    that was the exact plan

    china has the "china first" policy since the late 80's

    Washington is a bunch politicians out for themselves, but all joking aside there are some smart forward thinking people there as well.

    they just get drowned out by the rest of the morons
     
    brianf said:
    not entirely

    as a manufacturer on top of wanting to make more money via lowering expenses, a main driver of efficiency is to keep business

    people truthfully do not realize how hard it is to keep sales, and not only keep sales but keep the right mixture of sales for the company to have a path forward

    as COGS go up there are many products that will just not handle the price increase in the market, so its either:

    loose the business because of a higher quote given to customer
    or many times the customer sales just tail off because they are out of the proper price structure for a product range

    if real eggs doubled in price but "egg beaters" remained the same...no one would buy whole eggs unless necessary

    so the chicken/egg farm must become more efficient in operating expenses as the feed/COGS is ever increasing

    now people say "well the egg farm should see it coming and be agile enough in their business model, so they should start selling product to egg beater"...easier said than done

    when selling you are not selling a product you are taking their money that they do not want to give you...in turn for a product

    i actually dont think the economy is being used differently than before, i think peoples expectations and quality of life is unrealistic

    if there is demand for cell phones then a manufacturer will create the product as a certain price with certain features

    its not the manufacturers fault that people waste money on grub hub, and streaming services rather than cook at home and get rabbit ears on the the TV

    personally i think quality of life/ what we consider "poor" has changed from when i was young and im not a boomer which has caused ripple effects

    i knew many people that were really dirt poor, now i know many couples that make minimum wage and both have iphones...thats the real problem
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    You lost me when you said people would switch to eating egg beaters if the cost of real eggs went up.

    Look around Adam Smith, they bought chickens.

    Nice try…..No!
     
    Fucked up today.

    I was in Lowe's buying some materials and saw these cool little LED battery lights you can stick on a wall anywhere, comes with a remote and changes from white to red to blue to green. "Wow, that would be cool in the closet." Maggot thinks and buys one. Gets home, opens it, MADE IN FUCKING CHINA.

    Dealt with the enemy again.
     
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