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Abel Company - Theorem Titanium Supressor!

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Hey Everyone,

We finally got the laser setup, tested, welds xrayed, production running, website updated and ready to ship!

abelcousa.com

THEOREM

A 30 caliber suppressor made out of 100% titanium that is designed to have peak performance and look incredible.
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As always, shoot me a PM for a Snipershide member discount. We are doing an introductory 15% until the end of the year then 10% running through 2023.

Theorems ship with the following:
(1) Closed front end/exit cap
(1) Vented front end/exit cap (for a limited time!)
(1) Multi-tool (for exit cap and mounting adapter)
(1) Mounting Adapter (buyer's choice)

More pics coming…

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Abel Company Theorem-L .308 Suppressor Test — PEW Science

Abel Company Theorem-L Silencer Test with back pressure data. Real sound signature data with the Suppression Rating from PEW Science. Hearing Safe determinations for your use case. How does it do as a 308 rifle suppressor? Can it suppress 7.62 NATO? Is it the best 308 hunting suppressor? How is the
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Nice looking suppressor!

Judging by the quality of my Biscuit suppressor, this should be a hit. If I had more funds I'd certainly be looking to pick one up.

Curious to see what the vented cap looks like. I'm assuming it's going to be similar in principal to something like KGM's APEC system to reduce recoil?

Cool to see Abel's suppressor line grow.
 
Definitely an interesting looking can. I don't think I have a use for this right now but I'll be looking forward to reviews.
 
Nice looking can... I like the full/vented cap option, and the fact it comes with both in the box. I have developed a bit of an affinity for solid Ti .30 caliber cans in the S to L length range. 😂 I wouldn't mind getting one to review and compare for my videos and on the socials... If interested, shoot me a DM. I'd love to compare it side-by-side with my OCL Hydrogen-S (similar dimensions and length).
 
Baffle counts? Weights? Barrel lengths & caliber restrictions?

Wouldn't mind trying out an S or L model... Not a K-can fan.
 
kthomas said:
Any chance that you guys will build a large suppressor for big .30's, like .300NM? A suppressor in the TBAC Magnus class?
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I’m going to be testing the theorem-L on my .300prc later this week. We have been talking about a dedicated ELR can.

FuhQ said:
Baffle counts? Weights? Barrel lengths & caliber restrictions?

Wouldn't mind trying out an S or L model... Not a K-can fan.
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4/6/10 baffles. Should have weights soon.

Still working on caliber restrictions but most likely will be a short barrel .300prc or norma
 
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hic28 said:
I’m going to be testing the theorem-L on my .300prc later this week. We have been talking about a dedicated ELR can.


4/6/10 baffles. Should have weights soon.

Still working on caliber restrictions but most likely will be a short barrel .300prc or norma
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Cool! As longs as it can handle a hot-loaded 22” 7mm RM, and a 26” 7mm STW & .300 Ackley, I’ll be good to go. 😏

Wouldn’t mind testing out a L version, and doing some side-by-side comparisons with my other precision titanium L cans, whenever y’all get them up and running. 👍🏼
 
Preliminary #s. Mind you these are reference #s, we expect these to be within a <1.5% margin. These #s are also not A or C weighted, we measure impulse. We also do not omit the supersonic crack like TBAC does. We are trying to mimic the process that Jay at PewScience uses. We measured peak pressure at 1m left of muzzle, 1.6m up from ground, and 2 pressure sensors 5.5” off of the shooters ear both left and right using the B&K PULSE Sound Level Meter with a sampling rate of 262k samples/sec. We metered in accordance to MIL-STD-1474E.

Host rifle - AI AT w/ factory 20” .308 using 175 FGMM

We will be utilizing Jay at PewScience for 3rd party testing/Abel data confirmation.



Theorem-L:
Ears: 131-132 dB
Muzzle: 137-138 dB

Theorem:
Ears: 135
Muzzle: 143

Theorem-S:
Ears: 138-139
Muzzle: 148
 
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hic28 said:
We also do not omit the supersonic crack like TBAC does.
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I’d really like to learn more on how the supersonic crack changes the results. The recent test they did showing both w and w/o the ss crack indicated it increased the Magnus by 1.3 dB and the gen 2 by 4.8 dB. Both pulled the muzzle numbers up to 131 dB. Does that mean if the muzzle peak pressure is above that level it is a non issue?
 
The Godfather said:
I’d really like to learn more on how the supersonic crack changes the results. The recent test they did showing both w and w/o the ss crack indicated it increased the Magnus by 1.3 dB and the gen 2 by 4.8 dB. Both pulled the muzzle numbers up to 131 dB. Does that mean if the muzzle peak pressure is above that level it is a non issue?
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TBAC explains their methods here:





Im not 100% sure if that is the most accurate way and we have reason to believe that isn’t the ideal method after talking about it to other industry pros. However TBAC does release the SS crack #s as well I think so they aren’t “hiding” anything. It seems like the best way of testing is to just use every method that is currently used in the industry and publish that data - which is the direction we will likely find ourselves. The TBAC guys are more experienced than us since they have been doing it for a long time and they make great products. I still consider them to be one of the best companies out there.

We just want to make high performing products and we have invested heavily in the equipment to do so.
 
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When will the thorium – L be available?

Also, do you have any pictures of your vented end caps?

I went to order one, but didn’t realize the L model was not available….
 
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GBMaryland said:
When will the thorium – L be available?

Also, do you have any pictures of your vented end caps?

I went to order one, but didn’t realize the L model was not available….
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Website is being updated right now! Check back in an hour or 2.

I don’t have a pic of the vented end cap on my phone and I’m not at the shop to snag a pic. I’ll have some grab a pic
 
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abelcousa.com

THEOREM-L

A 30 caliber suppressor made out of 100% titanium that is designed to have peak performance and look incredible.
abelcousa.com abelcousa.com

All theorem models are on the website
 
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lowlight said:
The Abel suppressors are some of my favorites, can't wait for the Theorem to arrive.

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I'm really happy with the Biscuit I bought.

Very high quality. Suppresses well for it's size, and love the recoil impulse. Perfect for my 6.5 Creedmoor and 6BRA barrels.

The Theorem looks great for those that want a titanium suppressor with a bit more suppression. Looking forward to hear your thoughts on the Theorem.

Also looking forward to hearing what the Abel guys have cooking up for an ELR suppressor.
 
I love my biscuit as well…. It compares nicely to a TBAC ultra9 and KGM R 30 K.

I also have a TBAC 338 can I use on my 300 win mag and that sucker is the king of everything. Of course it’s also freaking huge….

I do actually think it would be a lot of fun to try an Able titanium suppressor!

obviously, the great thing about the biscuit is that if you find yourself in a war zone and you run out of ammo… If you just start beating the shit out of people with it; the biscuit is basically indestructible, and really well made.
 
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These look great. Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but what kind of high temp coating are you using on their exteriors?
 
GBMaryland said:
Thorium-L ordered…

Now I just need to order the 6.5 and 223 end caps… are those on the site?
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They are not, they are in production right now. shoot me a DM and ill take care of you.

ohiofarmer said:
These look great. Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but what kind of high temp coating are you using on their exteriors?
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Cerakote
 
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Baron23 said:
Christmas present to yourself? Lol
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You better believe it. Besides, nobody else in the family is so pro gun that they go out and buy the firearms components.

Though they do tend to give me gift cards so I can do that….
 
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Why did you decide to move away from the 1.8-1.85” OD on Biscuits down to 1.7-1.75” for the Theorem?
 
hic28 said:
abelcousa.com

THEOREM-L

A 30 caliber suppressor made out of 100% titanium that is designed to have peak performance and look incredible.
abelcousa.com abelcousa.com

All theorem models are on the website
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is this a misprint on the website? "industry standard ASR style 1-3/8x24 threaded hub"
 
SWgeezer said:
is this a misprint on the website? "industry standard ASR style 1-3/8x24 threaded hub"
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Silencerco created that thread standard with their ASR Mount. We use the same threads as their ASR Mount.
 
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hic28 said:
We will be utilizing Jay at PewScience for 3rd party testing/Abel data confirmation.
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Awesome to see. I very much look forward to reading the review should you release the test(s) for the public.
 
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Updates. Had an ATF audit end of the year that severely hampered production timelines.

Vented exit caps are complete. Cans are being assembled/welded and coated daily.

I’ll be at the ghost hunter in Az this coming weekend with all 3 lengths if anyone wants to check them out

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Sniperwannabee said:
It just seems weird to open a business in a state that hates you and your product
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We have several other businesses that anchor us here. Being that one of those main businesses Is manufacturing high pressure filtration for aerospace, and we all like shooting, we found out the way to get suppressors was to make them ourselves. We spent several years making and testing different designs before ever announcing publicly.

California is an interesting place, most people only think of the big city policies but fail to realize outside the big cities is extremely red.

Shasta county for example has more guns per capita than texas.
 
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hic28 said:
We have several other businesses that anchor us here. Being that one of those main businesses Is manufacturing high pressure filtration for aerospace, and we all like shooting, we found out the way to get suppressors was to make them ourselves. We spent several years making and testing different designs before ever announcing publicly.

California is an interesting place, most people only think of the big city policies but fail to realize outside the big cities is extremely red.

Shasta county for example has more guns per capita than texas.
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Well you do outstanding work, they look amazing 👍
 
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Clayman said:
Question for you. I saw on your banner on here "silence is a gift", how long have you guys used that? CGS has used that for a few years now.

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Interesting, didn’t know they used that, thanks for letting me know
 
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hic28 said:
We have several other businesses that anchor us here. Being that one of those main businesses Is manufacturing high pressure filtration for aerospace, and we all like shooting, we found out the way to get suppressors was to make them ourselves. We spent several years making and testing different designs before ever announcing publicly.

California is an interesting place, most people only think of the big city policies but fail to realize outside the big cities is extremely red.

Shasta county for example has more guns per capita than texas.
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I’m Hoping that we can get suppressors legalized, especially since I live In Shasta county. Love the geography, not the politics.
 
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Just finished a big batch of customer cans. Here’s some pics of franks Theorem in sniper Grey

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Any videos or user feedback on the vented cap vs non vented? Curious if the vented gives a more muzzle brake type recoil impulse vs the longer push impulse of a traditional non vented?
 
I’ll be filming some video with Frank tomorrow.

Vented is noticeable recoil reduction, but slightly louder and more flash at night (expected)
 
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How does vented reduce recoil when all the ports are pointed forward?
 
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